Laminar Research, who brought us the popular iPhone flight simulator X-Plane 9, has released X-Plane-Helicopter [App Store] for the iPhone and iPod touch.  X-Plane-Helicopter, as its name might suggest, applies all of the flight modeling of the winged-craft-oriented X-Plane 9 to the simulation of helicopter flight.

X-Plane-Helicopter includes four aircraft to choose from:

  • Robinson R-22: The lightweight, efficient trainer
  • Bell-206: The turbine-powered mainstay of the helicopter fleet
  • BlackHawk: The massive military cargo and troop mover
  • Sea King: The huge land/sea rescue helicopter

These fascinating and varied machines are modeled very realistically, so the flight you get on the iPhone is actually almost as realistic as the full FAA-Certified flight-model used in X-Plane for desktop... You get almost all the flight-model realism of this certified sim: On your phone.

As well, the flight-area is the Grand Canyon, giving you amazing views as you fly your helos across (and into!) the various canyons and valleys, giving the most visually-stunning simulation we have yet released, with the most challenging and realistic flight-models we have produced for iPhone so far.

While the desktop version of X-Plane features winged-craft and helicopters of many types, Laminar has chosen to break out the various types of aircraft into several different iPhone applications.  (The game's title screen indicates that X-Plane Airliner should appear in the App Store any time, now.)  As author Austin Meyer indicated back in September, he has big plans for X-Plane on the iPhone--including X-Plane Automotive.

App Store Link: X-Plane-Helicopter, $4.99

  • Bloc Party

    Ahh, looks like the original x-plane for iPhone will not see any new updates.

    Though it was well executed, i found x-plane to be quite empty in in terms of what it had to offer.

  • Bloc Party

    Ahh, looks like the original x-plane for iPhone will not see any new updates.

    Though it was well executed, i found x-plane to be quite empty in in terms of what it had to offer.

  • Crim

    This is disappointing since the Helis are the reason I bought X-Plane (thinking they would be part of the update). I'm tempted to pick this up since I love helicopters, but I wish there were actual objectives with the X-Plane products instead of just leisurely flying around.

  • Crim

    This is disappointing since the Helis are the reason I bought X-Plane (thinking they would be part of the update). I'm tempted to pick this up since I love helicopters, but I wish there were actual objectives with the X-Plane products instead of just leisurely flying around.

  • Steve

    where are all these awesome updates x-plane promised to have? This is very disappointing.

  • Steve

    where are all these awesome updates x-plane promised to have? This is very disappointing.

  • Jack

    Anyone else notice that that quote from him made it sound like Xplane 9 will get Helicopters/Gliders/etc, and then that there would be a seperate auto app? I'm really disappointing to pay $10 for an app that promised updates but hasn't seen much.

  • Jack

    Anyone else notice that that quote from him made it sound like Xplane 9 will get Helicopters/Gliders/etc, and then that there would be a seperate auto app? I'm really disappointing to pay $10 for an app that promised updates but hasn't seen much.

  • joni

    boring..

  • darwiniandude

    Imagine X-Plane: Game... he takes that engine, turns it into a shooter.

    :)

  • Kevin

    whats next? X-Plane Jet? X-Plane Biplane, X-Plane Baloon ride addition...

  • joni

    boring..

  • darwiniandude

    Imagine X-Plane: Game... he takes that engine, turns it into a shooter.

    :)

  • Kevin

    whats next? X-Plane Jet? X-Plane Biplane, X-Plane Baloon ride addition...

  • Jerrod

    Austin, I love you buddy... X-Plane is great, but I agree -- this is not cool. Make your money by improving your core product and selling more of it. The $10 price tag deserves continued updates. By doing these satellite programs, you're only going to sell less by upsetting your followers.

  • Jerrod

    Austin, I love you buddy... X-Plane is great, but I agree -- this is not cool. Make your money by improving your core product and selling more of it. The $10 price tag deserves continued updates. By doing these satellite programs, you're only going to sell less by upsetting your followers.

  • Jc

    To anyone on the fence dont buy this game its horrible, as a lifelong flight simulation addict (15 years) this couldnt feel any less real. Xplane worked because using the phone tilt mimics a flight yoke but to properly fly a helicopter you NEED a stick and rudder pedals, and the phone just cant do it, not to mention the controls are completely sluggish and i would have rather flown the "grand canyon" in a plane. This whole splitting of the titles is unprofessional and so is the "x-pla...opter" title under the icon, looks half assed and feels half assed, verdict? Half assed!

  • Jc

    To anyone on the fence dont buy this game its horrible, as a lifelong flight simulation addict (15 years) this couldnt feel any less real. Xplane worked because using the phone tilt mimics a flight yoke but to properly fly a helicopter you NEED a stick and rudder pedals, and the phone just cant do it, not to mention the controls are completely sluggish and i would have rather flown the "grand canyon" in a plane. This whole splitting of the titles is unprofessional and so is the "x-pla...opter" title under the icon, looks half assed and feels half assed, verdict? Half assed!

  • iSonic

    What ?! X-Plane was noticed to get helicopters and now we have a separate apps ? Very disappointing.

  • iSonic

    What ?! X-Plane was noticed to get helicopters and now we have a separate apps ? Very disappointing.

  • Marcel

    No thanks. You think after lying to us (where the hell are the "awesome" updates, or ANY updates for that matter) and ripping us off for a $10 game you'll ever get another cent from me? What a huge disappoint this developer is, I encourage everyone to boycott this and all his future releases.

  • Marcel

    No thanks. You think after lying to us (where the hell are the "awesome" updates, or ANY updates for that matter) and ripping us off for a $10 game you'll ever get another cent from me? What a huge disappoint this developer is, I encourage everyone to boycott this and all his future releases.

  • Jc

    the best part is the creator is rather eccentric so he will more than likely lash out at any negative reviews, including the one i just wrote in the appstore, i knew there was a reason i stayed away from xplane on the pc

  • Jc

    the best part is the creator is rather eccentric so he will more than likely lash out at any negative reviews, including the one i just wrote in the appstore, i knew there was a reason i stayed away from xplane on the pc

  • http://www.blakespot.com Blake Patterson

    I will say that iPhone is far more suitable for airplane style simulations versus helicopter. I can easily handle both airplanes and helicopters in X-Plane and Flight Sim X on the desktop with either my Cyborg 3D flight(ish) stick or my PS2-like USB dual-analog-stick controller. But, so far, I'm having very little luck with control in X-Plane-Helicopter.

    As well, I can understand the outcry, seeing that we're looking at three different apps for general aviation planes, helicopters, and large airliners. It seems an odd move.

  • http://www.blakespot.com Blake Patterson

    I will say that iPhone is far more suitable for airplane style simulations versus helicopter. I can easily handle both airplanes and helicopters in X-Plane and Flight Sim X on the desktop with either my Cyborg 3D flight(ish) stick or my PS2-like USB dual-analog-stick controller. But, so far, I'm having very little luck with control in X-Plane-Helicopter.

    As well, I can understand the outcry, seeing that we're looking at three different apps for general aviation planes, helicopters, and large airliners. It seems an odd move.

  • Jc

    also anyone into simming knows how long and boring airliner flight is, so how on earth is that going to be interesting on the puny maps we have.

    I cant believe i paid 5 bucks for stuff that was promised as an update to an app i paid 10 for

  • Jc

    also anyone into simming knows how long and boring airliner flight is, so how on earth is that going to be interesting on the puny maps we have.

    I cant believe i paid 5 bucks for stuff that was promised as an update to an app i paid 10 for

  • Chang3r

    this is disappointing i was expecing more maps and planes in Xplane not a whole other app. i won't be buying

  • Chang3r

    this is disappointing i was expecing more maps and planes in Xplane not a whole other app. i won't be buying

  • Barry Ward (aka wastedyuthe)

    I just want to echo everyone else who is disappointed. I was expecting another X-Plane update with more planes/locations etc. To think how much better X-Plane could be if taxi jobs were added to earn money to buy new planes and new location licenses.
    Austin is not in my good books anymore. He has deceived us all.

  • Barry Ward (aka wastedyuthe)

    I just want to echo everyone else who is disappointed. I was expecting another X-Plane update with more planes/locations etc. To think how much better X-Plane could be if taxi jobs were added to earn money to buy new planes and new location licenses.
    Austin is not in my good books anymore. He has deceived us all.

  • http://x-plane.com austin meyer

    Hmm.. there HAVE ben about 4 free updates to X-Plane, including one that came out today.

    So, I am quite certain I AM doing the promised free updates.

    And, more free updates are planned in the future, as well... so I think I am giving good service for the teeny $10 fee... though no, I do not promise that you get EVERYTHING for $10.

  • http://x-plane.com austin meyer

    Hmm.. there HAVE ben about 4 free updates to X-Plane, including one that came out today.

    So, I am quite certain I AM doing the promised free updates.

    And, more free updates are planned in the future, as well... so I think I am giving good service for the teeny $10 fee... though no, I do not promise that you get EVERYTHING for $10.

  • eric

    The only thing i noticed in your "update" today was an ad for x plane helicopter and x plane airliner. Very nice update. Just what everybody who bought x plane wanted.

  • eric

    The only thing i noticed in your "update" today was an ad for x plane helicopter and x plane airliner. Very nice update. Just what everybody who bought x plane wanted.

  • Jc

    improved turn coordinator is a far cry from the expanded locations and aircraft that were described by you in previous articles here, and seriously the overzealous use of caps is rather ham-handed

  • Jc

    improved turn coordinator is a far cry from the expanded locations and aircraft that were described by you in previous articles here, and seriously the overzealous use of caps is rather ham-handed

  • nick

    @austin - we paid $10 for a bare bones app, and were under the impression it would be made into something worth its price thanks to your enthusiastic comments/description. Needless to say, it was a huge letdown for everyone. You made tens (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars with this, and over the course of 2 months managed to bring out 3 or 4 really puny updates, none of which were even remotely interesting. Sure 20% FPS improvement is nice, but as you're well aware, and have repeatedly promised us, there needs to be more content. More planes, more textures, more airports, missions, more everything. If I had none that no new content was coming, I would not have bought X-Plane, hence we all feel ripped of and betrayed.

    You were so enthusiastic about the whole project, and then as time wore on, just totally dropped the ball and moved on to other things.

    This is not the kind of development I support, and so out of principle I will boycott -and encourage others to boycott- all your future apps unless you bring some real content updates and an apology for the absurd wait time to X-Plane owners.

  • nick

    @austin - we paid $10 for a bare bones app, and were under the impression it would be made into something worth its price thanks to your enthusiastic comments/description. Needless to say, it was a huge letdown for everyone. You made tens (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars with this, and over the course of 2 months managed to bring out 3 or 4 really puny updates, none of which were even remotely interesting. Sure 20% FPS improvement is nice, but as you're well aware, and have repeatedly promised us, there needs to be more content. More planes, more textures, more airports, missions, more everything. If I had none that no new content was coming, I would not have bought X-Plane, hence we all feel ripped of and betrayed.

    You were so enthusiastic about the whole project, and then as time wore on, just totally dropped the ball and moved on to other things.

    This is not the kind of development I support, and so out of principle I will boycott -and encourage others to boycott- all your future apps unless you bring some real content updates and an apology for the absurd wait time to X-Plane owners.

  • meridianapp

    Add me to the list of X-Plane purchasers that is not impressed to see yet another app in the series. Where are the updates to the original X-Plane? When it was released it was unfinished. I bought it to support development. But without more airfields, points of interest and bigger map it is not compelling for long.

  • meridianapp

    Add me to the list of X-Plane purchasers that is not impressed to see yet another app in the series. Where are the updates to the original X-Plane? When it was released it was unfinished. I bought it to support development. But without more airfields, points of interest and bigger map it is not compelling for long.

  • Killquake

    All i ask for is one helicopter at least in xplane

  • Killquake

    All i ask for is one helicopter at least in xplane

  • Finch

    I think the main problem here is that Austin's idea of what we want in updates is vastly different than what almost all of us want in updates.

    In the new update we got

    -improved flight model accuracy.
    no biggie, we are flying using an iphone, how much will we even notice accuracy anyways with such an imprecise control

    -improved instrumentation which seems to feature
    -a turn coordinator that shows standard rate turn markings!
    -ILS's are more accurate with magnetic variation and true headings!

    know what? nobody knows what any of that is. most people playing X-Plane on the iphone don't care about it, I don't even know where I would look to see any of that. what is it? I even play flight sims from time to time and I don't know what it is.

    -higher contrast interface

    not that exciting.

    -improved control of each flight
    -supposedly we can set all sorts of weight's and balances for our planes......I will never touch this feature because I just want to fly around.

    -improved rendering

    I guess thats nice, it was pretty good already, but id prefer better plane lighting or better terrain.

    -improved map
    -airport IDs show up on the map......what are airport IDs? do I need them?

    -Reduced memory useage......thats cool

    I just want a semi realistic flight sim for the iphone where I can fly around and do tricks. I don't know about, or need most of these improvements. If I cared about this stuff wouldn't I play X-plane on a platform that offers semi realistic controls? seriously, there is no rudder on the iPhone.

    I appreciate that X-plane is the most realistic flight sim ever, but not on an iPhone it isn,t. The people that want a serious flight sim don't want to play it on an iPhone. I'd love some planes that are actually fun (note: the ones included arent). Where's my WWII fighters, a Pitts Special, F-22, something more interesting than what's in there. Even the demo of the real X-plane has an F-22 and SR-71 that are tons of fun. Some more locations and stuff like that, I definitely don't need the ILS to have magnetic variations.

    I'm sure another flight sim will come along and offer this and ill never buy any other X-plane products again, but then you've lost the niche you currently have, as the only good flightsim on the iPhone. I think its safe to say that your current fans dont share your ideas of what X-plane should offer, and they will all jump ship the moment someone else steps in.

  • Finch

    I think the main problem here is that Austin's idea of what we want in updates is vastly different than what almost all of us want in updates.

    In the new update we got

    -improved flight model accuracy.
    no biggie, we are flying using an iphone, how much will we even notice accuracy anyways with such an imprecise control

    -improved instrumentation which seems to feature
    -a turn coordinator that shows standard rate turn markings!
    -ILS's are more accurate with magnetic variation and true headings!

    know what? nobody knows what any of that is. most people playing X-Plane on the iphone don't care about it, I don't even know where I would look to see any of that. what is it? I even play flight sims from time to time and I don't know what it is.

    -higher contrast interface

    not that exciting.

    -improved control of each flight
    -supposedly we can set all sorts of weight's and balances for our planes......I will never touch this feature because I just want to fly around.

    -improved rendering

    I guess thats nice, it was pretty good already, but id prefer better plane lighting or better terrain.

    -improved map
    -airport IDs show up on the map......what are airport IDs? do I need them?

    -Reduced memory useage......thats cool

    I just want a semi realistic flight sim for the iphone where I can fly around and do tricks. I don't know about, or need most of these improvements. If I cared about this stuff wouldn't I play X-plane on a platform that offers semi realistic controls? seriously, there is no rudder on the iPhone.

    I appreciate that X-plane is the most realistic flight sim ever, but not on an iPhone it isn,t. The people that want a serious flight sim don't want to play it on an iPhone. I'd love some planes that are actually fun (note: the ones included arent). Where's my WWII fighters, a Pitts Special, F-22, something more interesting than what's in there. Even the demo of the real X-plane has an F-22 and SR-71 that are tons of fun. Some more locations and stuff like that, I definitely don't need the ILS to have magnetic variations.

    I'm sure another flight sim will come along and offer this and ill never buy any other X-plane products again, but then you've lost the niche you currently have, as the only good flightsim on the iPhone. I think its safe to say that your current fans dont share your ideas of what X-plane should offer, and they will all jump ship the moment someone else steps in.

  • Jc

    this is a classic example of a developer being way out of touch with the market

  • Jc

    this is a classic example of a developer being way out of touch with the market

  • hkiphone

    I'm not so harsh on Austin for splitting the helicopters into a seperate app. Planes and helicopters having different flight algorithms and would probably be too much to handle in one single app, especially when he's tried to limit the RAM usage too. Yes, both are available on the desktop app, but you can have 1GB+ ram and fast CPU to handle that. Not on the iPhone/iPod Touch.

    But what I will gripe about is how comes the Grand Canyon map wasn't rolled into the new update for the original X-Plane app? This was one of the promises you made, and it would not really have interfered with your flight algos. That alone might have been enough to appease all your fans as evident by the wave of comments above. Adding even just one more plane would have been the perfect icing on the cake! I think I speak for everyone when we say that is what we were all hoping for.

    Please Austin, add something a little more substantial for us fans :)

  • hkiphone

    I'm not so harsh on Austin for splitting the helicopters into a seperate app. Planes and helicopters having different flight algorithms and would probably be too much to handle in one single app, especially when he's tried to limit the RAM usage too. Yes, both are available on the desktop app, but you can have 1GB+ ram and fast CPU to handle that. Not on the iPhone/iPod Touch.

    But what I will gripe about is how comes the Grand Canyon map wasn't rolled into the new update for the original X-Plane app? This was one of the promises you made, and it would not really have interfered with your flight algos. That alone might have been enough to appease all your fans as evident by the wave of comments above. Adding even just one more plane would have been the perfect icing on the cake! I think I speak for everyone when we say that is what we were all hoping for.

    Please Austin, add something a little more substantial for us fans :)

  • WiseWeasel

    Ouch. That's quite a bit of heat this dev is taking for this app. Personally, I think that much of the problem lies in a lack of familiarity with the iPhone platform on the part of the developer.

    My first indication of this is that to the developer, $10 is a "teeny" fee, whereas the price places this app on just about the highest pricing tier of available iPhone games. Sure, $10 is not a lot of green, but to iPhone users interested in an impulse buy that can keep them interested while their tires are getting changed, the current incarnation of X-Plane doesn't offer all that much bang for the buck. If it had more interesting terrain, better/faster planes, missions, and ultimately WiFi multiplayer and weapons, then we'd be talking about something worth that kind of price relative to other titles being sold on the App Store. The developer might think he's targeting flight sim aficionados, but he's snagged much more than that with the novelty of the app genre on the platform, and with the indications of significant additions to the game down the road, and I doubt he's got much choice at this point but to acquiesce and make the title more entertaining and unrealistic/simplified than his purist approach on the desktop.

    My second indication that this developer might be misjudging the best strategy for iPhone deployment is the current and impending release of three different apps all targeting extremely similar usage. Home screen real estate is at a high premium on the iPhone, and littering our screens with a bunch of small apps for flying planes, helicopters, airliners, military aircraft, blimps, etc., all targeted at the same audience, and all with extremely similar functionality, will get quite annoying very quickly. I don't like having to use that much space for what I consider to really be a single app/function. That was also my beef with the Toy Bot Diaries series, which ended up taking up three app positions for what should really be a single app. I know it's attractive to release episodic apps from a revenue and ease-of-upgrade standpoint with the way the App Store is set up, but we need to find a better way than this. It would be nice if new episodes could be optional paid upgrades to a currently-installed app, and then have a menu in the app to select the episode content you want to play. You could even have additional content purchasing and downloading supported right in the app itself, so that you can manage updates and additions in more optimal ways. Ship a free demo in the App Store, for example, and have a menu in the app itself to purchase and download the full version, with any additional content you want to release. Personally, I just want to discourage developers from expecting me to litter my iPhone with a metric butt-load of episodic content, when a single extensible app could do the trick so much more elegantly from a usability standpoint.

  • WiseWeasel

    Ouch. That's quite a bit of heat this dev is taking for this app. Personally, I think that much of the problem lies in a lack of familiarity with the iPhone platform on the part of the developer.

    My first indication of this is that to the developer, $10 is a "teeny" fee, whereas the price places this app on just about the highest pricing tier of available iPhone games. Sure, $10 is not a lot of green, but to iPhone users interested in an impulse buy that can keep them interested while their tires are getting changed, the current incarnation of X-Plane doesn't offer all that much bang for the buck. If it had more interesting terrain, better/faster planes, missions, and ultimately WiFi multiplayer and weapons, then we'd be talking about something worth that kind of price relative to other titles being sold on the App Store. The developer might think he's targeting flight sim aficionados, but he's snagged much more than that with the novelty of the app genre on the platform, and with the indications of significant additions to the game down the road, and I doubt he's got much choice at this point but to acquiesce and make the title more entertaining and unrealistic/simplified than his purist approach on the desktop.

    My second indication that this developer might be misjudging the best strategy for iPhone deployment is the current and impending release of three different apps all targeting extremely similar usage. Home screen real estate is at a high premium on the iPhone, and littering our screens with a bunch of small apps for flying planes, helicopters, airliners, military aircraft, blimps, etc., all targeted at the same audience, and all with extremely similar functionality, will get quite annoying very quickly. I don't like having to use that much space for what I consider to really be a single app/function. That was also my beef with the Toy Bot Diaries series, which ended up taking up three app positions for what should really be a single app. I know it's attractive to release episodic apps from a revenue and ease-of-upgrade standpoint with the way the App Store is set up, but we need to find a better way than this. It would be nice if new episodes could be optional paid upgrades to a currently-installed app, and then have a menu in the app to select the episode content you want to play. You could even have additional content purchasing and downloading supported right in the app itself, so that you can manage updates and additions in more optimal ways. Ship a free demo in the App Store, for example, and have a menu in the app itself to purchase and download the full version, with any additional content you want to release. Personally, I just want to discourage developers from expecting me to litter my iPhone with a metric butt-load of episodic content, when a single extensible app could do the trick so much more elegantly from a usability standpoint.

  • http://x-plane.com austin meyer

    Hmm.. Well i guess I just look for different things in a simulator than many of the people here.

    Well, I have given about 4 free updates so far, and I know I can keep giving out more... lemme try and think of more ways to enhance each product (quite a handful of new ones are on the way!) without any one product stepping on the others. Including MORE planes with each release IS technically feasible...

    I bet I could wedge more planes into future free updates to X-Plane.. and of course the standard X-Plane benefits from the technology developed in the spin-off apps (frame-rate improvement and RAM reduction being two of the more critical cases so far.. and flight-model improvement as well, even if I am the only one that cares, I still know it is important).

  • http://x-plane.com austin meyer

    Hmm.. Well i guess I just look for different things in a simulator than many of the people here.

    Well, I have given about 4 free updates so far, and I know I can keep giving out more... lemme try and think of more ways to enhance each product (quite a handful of new ones are on the way!) without any one product stepping on the others. Including MORE planes with each release IS technically feasible...

    I bet I could wedge more planes into future free updates to X-Plane.. and of course the standard X-Plane benefits from the technology developed in the spin-off apps (frame-rate improvement and RAM reduction being two of the more critical cases so far.. and flight-model improvement as well, even if I am the only one that cares, I still know it is important).

  • Crim

    Austin, please stop with the mention of "free update", I think I speak for many when I say a paid update would not be purchased/dowloaded. Many of us are upset because around September 20 you posted in your blog that we "haven't seen anything yet" and proceeded to tout helicopters and airliners then mentioned autos as well (though alluding to that being a different app). We all read this as X-Plane (the app we all purchased) would be getting the update, not that different apps would be made.

    I for one can assure you that THIS posting is the sole reason I purchased X-Plane. I couldn't wait for helis and gliders, I guess at this point I'll be waiting for a different heli sim.

    I can't help but feel duped ...

  • Crim

    Austin, please stop with the mention of "free update", I think I speak for many when I say a paid update would not be purchased/dowloaded. Many of us are upset because around September 20 you posted in your blog that we "haven't seen anything yet" and proceeded to tout helicopters and airliners then mentioned autos as well (though alluding to that being a different app). We all read this as X-Plane (the app we all purchased) would be getting the update, not that different apps would be made.

    I for one can assure you that THIS posting is the sole reason I purchased X-Plane. I couldn't wait for helis and gliders, I guess at this point I'll be waiting for a different heli sim.

    I can't help but feel duped ...

  • hkiphone

    Hi Austin,
    Thanks for accepting our feedback, it means alot to us to know that the developer is taking on board some constructive criticism from its users. Thats what I like most about this site - there's a good mix of users and developers here all offering feedback. Yes, sometimes it does get rather heated, but thats usually because we love the product so much, we just want to see it succeed more and more with each release and earn the accolade it deserves. We've all provided feedback to other developers such as Fastlane and they're going to release a new update soon that addresses some of those concerns. It's a good feeling for everyone.

    One last thing: Please also consider including maps in new releases too! :D

  • hkiphone

    Hi Austin,
    Thanks for accepting our feedback, it means alot to us to know that the developer is taking on board some constructive criticism from its users. Thats what I like most about this site - there's a good mix of users and developers here all offering feedback. Yes, sometimes it does get rather heated, but thats usually because we love the product so much, we just want to see it succeed more and more with each release and earn the accolade it deserves. We've all provided feedback to other developers such as Fastlane and they're going to release a new update soon that addresses some of those concerns. It's a good feeling for everyone.

    One last thing: Please also consider including maps in new releases too! :D

  • Zayne Jenkins

    To Austin:
    I currently don't have a computer and absolutely LOVE flying with my Iphone and how easy it is to do. I am getting a MacBook this weekend with X-Plane 9 and cannot wait. I am also really excited to see X-Plane airliner, as that is what I fly. I don't know what will be in that but, if not already, a 777 would be an awesome, with maybe some traffic and landing patterns. I have two questions though.
    1- Will you put up a pretty good detailed explanation of flying the copters? I for one am at a loss.
    2- If possible add more detailed terrain/flight plans.
    Anyway, great app.
    Zayne
    any comments back mmtesting05111@me.com

  • Zayne Jenkins

    To Austin:
    I currently don't have a computer and absolutely LOVE flying with my Iphone and how easy it is to do. I am getting a MacBook this weekend with X-Plane 9 and cannot wait. I am also really excited to see X-Plane airliner, as that is what I fly. I don't know what will be in that but, if not already, a 777 would be an awesome, with maybe some traffic and landing patterns. I have two questions though.
    1- Will you put up a pretty good detailed explanation of flying the copters? I for one am at a loss.
    2- If possible add more detailed terrain/flight plans.
    Anyway, great app.
    Zayne
    any comments back mmtesting05111@me.com

  • Zoid

    Austin,

    Just incorporate the helicopters and airliners in a future update of X-Plane 9, and charge maybe $2 for the update. That is when I will buy it, and frankly, i don`t think many people will buy the seperate apps if they already have X-Plane 9.

    Please give it a thought.

    Thanks,

    Zoid

  • http://na Zoid

    Austin,

    Just incorporate the helicopters and airliners in a future update of X-Plane 9, and charge maybe $2 for the update. That is when I will buy it, and frankly, i don`t think many people will buy the seperate apps if they already have X-Plane 9.

    Please give it a thought.

    Thanks,

    Zoid

  • Snotfist

    We all have $200+ phones here and we complain about $5 applications? The app store has gotten out of hand with this constant $0.99 apps that are junk and everyone expects them all to be that price. People who complain about spending $5 for an app should realize for that same price you could buy one meal at Micky Dee's. I just can't understand how everyone has become so cheap when we have to tote the golden phone.

    -B.

  • Snotfist

    We all have $200+ phones here and we complain about $5 applications? The app store has gotten out of hand with this constant $0.99 apps that are junk and everyone expects them all to be that price. People who complain about spending $5 for an app should realize for that same price you could buy one meal at Micky Dee's. I just can't understand how everyone has become so cheap when we have to tote the golden phone.

    -B.

  • macbookairman

    @Snotfist

    I don't think the $5 is the issue. The fact that the developer (Austin) said in x-plane's description in the app store, various statements on his blog and the x-plane forums that there would be FREE updates that would add a.) more maps/locations b.) more airports (he added a couple) c.) more planes (though he didn't specify those would be part of the original x-plane app, it was certainly implied).

    I think most of us here are just frustrated with the fact that we paid $10 for an app that we were expecting to evolve into an amazing Flight Sim with lots of locations and planes. We didn't expect to have our version essentially abandoned while the developer ran after more money with "x-plane airliner, and x-plane whatever"

    All i wanted in the first place was airliners, expecting them to be included as Austin had implied.

    Now my home screen is going to have less room, because hes going to release every feature that SHOULD have been included in the first version, as a new app. (except it probably won't fill up, cause i just won't buy from him anymore--but you get the point [i think?])

  • macbookairman

    @Snotfist

    I don't think the $5 is the issue. The fact that the developer (Austin) said in x-plane's description in the app store, various statements on his blog and the x-plane forums that there would be FREE updates that would add a.) more maps/locations b.) more airports (he added a couple) c.) more planes (though he didn't specify those would be part of the original x-plane app, it was certainly implied).

    I think most of us here are just frustrated with the fact that we paid $10 for an app that we were expecting to evolve into an amazing Flight Sim with lots of locations and planes. We didn't expect to have our version essentially abandoned while the developer ran after more money with "x-plane airliner, and x-plane whatever"

    All i wanted in the first place was airliners, expecting them to be included as Austin had implied.

    Now my home screen is going to have less room, because hes going to release every feature that SHOULD have been included in the first version, as a new app. (except it probably won't fill up, cause i just won't buy from him anymore--but you get the point [i think?])

  • Chang3r

    Austin,

    I have no problem with planes and helicopers being in seperate apps. I think adding more planes and terrains into Xplane and more helicopters and terrains into Xplane helicopter in future updates would be exactly what everyone is after. Perhaps if you could add different terrain to the different apps and if you owned both you could fly plane or helicopter on terrain from either.

    BTW evan tho i don't understand all the technical side about flying, i like the fact that this game is a fight sim and not an arcade type game. but it would be cool to have 'missions' to do (for example taking cargo from airport A to airport B or some 'tasks' that users could choose to complete as an added bonus)

    if you continue with these type of updates i will buy Xplane helicopter as well.

  • Chang3r

    Austin,

    I have no problem with planes and helicopers being in seperate apps. I think adding more planes and terrains into Xplane and more helicopters and terrains into Xplane helicopter in future updates would be exactly what everyone is after. Perhaps if you could add different terrain to the different apps and if you owned both you could fly plane or helicopter on terrain from either.

    BTW evan tho i don't understand all the technical side about flying, i like the fact that this game is a fight sim and not an arcade type game. but it would be cool to have 'missions' to do (for example taking cargo from airport A to airport B or some 'tasks' that users could choose to complete as an added bonus)

    if you continue with these type of updates i will buy Xplane helicopter as well.

  • Snotfist

    Home page real estate is free. People complain about this like it is so hard to flip screens to locate the application that they want to run. I don't know the last time I felt so rushed that I couldn't flip through some pages of applications to locate the one that I was looking for. This to me is a very weak argument.

    I don't think the developer has abandoned anyone but if you read through the comments on both the original apps comment section and even the comments written here you can clearly see people have no idea how computers work. Everything you put into a program is that much more that needs to load and that much more that is going to eat up the very limited amount of RAM that the phone possess. People are going to complain no matter what you do. If you put everything they want they are going to complain that it takes to long to load or it crashes all the time but if you leave a few things out people are going to complain about that.

    Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

  • Snotfist

    Home page real estate is free. People complain about this like it is so hard to flip screens to locate the application that they want to run. I don't know the last time I felt so rushed that I couldn't flip through some pages of applications to locate the one that I was looking for. This to me is a very weak argument.

    I don't think the developer has abandoned anyone but if you read through the comments on both the original apps comment section and even the comments written here you can clearly see people have no idea how computers work. Everything you put into a program is that much more that needs to load and that much more that is going to eat up the very limited amount of RAM that the phone possess. People are going to complain no matter what you do. If you put everything they want they are going to complain that it takes to long to load or it crashes all the time but if you leave a few things out people are going to complain about that.

    Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

  • http://www.stretchwear.co.uk ade

    Agreed these apps are very cheap in my mind and am happy to pay £3 for the helicopter "update"... i'd rather we pay for austins development than him carry on working for free... we're going to get better content in the long run from him.

  • http://www.stretchwear.co.uk ade

    Agreed these apps are very cheap in my mind and am happy to pay £3 for the helicopter "update"... i'd rather we pay for austins development than him carry on working for free... we're going to get better content in the long run from him.

  • Brendonian

    Austin,

    Whilst I can appreciate some of the complaints here, I can undestand why you've chosen to go down the route of producing several smaller apps rather than struggle to fit all of the features you want into one behemoth.

    Personally I love all 3 of these apps, though helicopter seems the weakest at the moment because of the frame rate, lack of navigation, and simply because it takes a long time to get anywhere.

    It's true that you are appealing to a niche of customers who appreciate a sim for what it is as opposed to being a game in the traditional sense, but I for one applaud that.

    However, I strongly believe that incorporating some kind of missions will add enormous appeal to gamers and sim fans alike. I love making up scenarios where the weather gradually changes, and fog sets in during a flight forcing me to make an ILS landing, but it would be awesome if that kind of thing happened while I was under orders to transport some precious cargo to a particular airstrip before a predefined time.

    Please carry on the good work!

  • Brendonian

    Austin,

    Whilst I can appreciate some of the complaints here, I can undestand why you've chosen to go down the route of producing several smaller apps rather than struggle to fit all of the features you want into one behemoth.

    Personally I love all 3 of these apps, though helicopter seems the weakest at the moment because of the frame rate, lack of navigation, and simply because it takes a long time to get anywhere.

    It's true that you are appealing to a niche of customers who appreciate a sim for what it is as opposed to being a game in the traditional sense, but I for one applaud that.

    However, I strongly believe that incorporating some kind of missions will add enormous appeal to gamers and sim fans alike. I love making up scenarios where the weather gradually changes, and fog sets in during a flight forcing me to make an ILS landing, but it would be awesome if that kind of thing happened while I was under orders to transport some precious cargo to a particular airstrip before a predefined time.

    Please carry on the good work!

  • Barry Ward (aka wastedyuthe)

    Like I have said on the forums, having a goal would be great in these sims, which is why I mentioned taxi jobs earlier in these comments. Unlike others, I am not so bothered about other planes to fly, although that would be very nice. What I really want is more locations. As someone else said earlier, why couldn't the new location in the heli app be incorporated into the X-Plane app too?

  • Barry Ward (aka wastedyuthe)

    Like I have said on the forums, having a goal would be great in these sims, which is why I mentioned taxi jobs earlier in these comments. Unlike others, I am not so bothered about other planes to fly, although that would be very nice. What I really want is more locations. As someone else said earlier, why couldn't the new location in the heli app be incorporated into the X-Plane app too?

  • Desmond

    Don't get it. This was supposed to be included in the x-plane upgrade. Uncool move. I am not gonna get this and I fear that we won't see any x-plane upgrades. Unwise strategy

  • Desmond

    Don't get it. This was supposed to be included in the x-plane upgrade. Uncool move. I am not gonna get this and I fear that we won't see any x-plane upgrades. Unwise strategy

  • Chris

    How many of us would have still purchased X-Plane for the iPhone even without the promised of extra features? I know I would have. I have purchased two full desktop versions of X-Plane over the years and am amazed at how much Austin and friends have updated each one.

    Seriously folks, treat others they you would want to be treated. It isn't that hard. Some of you are obviously upset, yet you have little restraint on being rude. This internet era has provided people with an anonymity where they think they can trash talk others in a way they would never do in person. You will always get further by treating others with respect and class, even if you have a legitimate beef. (lecture off)

    I never expect all of the features of the desktop version to be in the iPhone version for only $10. I understand the confusion based on Austin's earlier blog post, but let's keep it in perspective.

    Austin, thank you for creating X-Plane on the Mac and now the iPhone. Your story about creating this app at the Apple Campus was really cool (before it was removed). Austin, can you repost that or did legal tell you to take it down? As an aside, I think it would give people here a better perspective on what actually went into the creation of X-Plane on the iPhone. I picked it up on a cached version on your iPhone page.

    And thanks for the 4 updates and future updates as well. You might sell more with temporary price reductions, like others have, but that's your call.

    Chris

  • Chris

    How many of us would have still purchased X-Plane for the iPhone even without the promised of extra features? I know I would have. I have purchased two full desktop versions of X-Plane over the years and am amazed at how much Austin and friends have updated each one.

    Seriously folks, treat others they you would want to be treated. It isn't that hard. Some of you are obviously upset, yet you have little restraint on being rude. This internet era has provided people with an anonymity where they think they can trash talk others in a way they would never do in person. You will always get further by treating others with respect and class, even if you have a legitimate beef. (lecture off)

    I never expect all of the features of the desktop version to be in the iPhone version for only $10. I understand the confusion based on Austin's earlier blog post, but let's keep it in perspective.

    Austin, thank you for creating X-Plane on the Mac and now the iPhone. Your story about creating this app at the Apple Campus was really cool (before it was removed). Austin, can you repost that or did legal tell you to take it down? As an aside, I think it would give people here a better perspective on what actually went into the creation of X-Plane on the iPhone. I picked it up on a cached version on your iPhone page.

    And thanks for the 4 updates and future updates as well. You might sell more with temporary price reductions, like others have, but that's your call.

    Chris

  • MJ

    Austin,

    I hope your still reading these, some people can get cranky on here but it is only a small "hardcore" base of players. I love this app and at the time it came out it was way ahead of the other apps. If your thinking about more updates for us one that would come very welcome and I thought we where getting already would be more maps. I would love to see places we know already (Grand canyon, Mount St. Helens, Hawaii). Do that and I am almost sure you will stop their complaining :).
    Good luck!
    MJ

  • MJ

    Austin,

    I hope your still reading these, some people can get cranky on here but it is only a small "hardcore" base of players. I love this app and at the time it came out it was way ahead of the other apps. If your thinking about more updates for us one that would come very welcome and I thought we where getting already would be more maps. I would love to see places we know already (Grand canyon, Mount St. Helens, Hawaii). Do that and I am almost sure you will stop their complaining :).
    Good luck!
    MJ

  • NotYou

    I don't mind the helicopter version being separate. It's still a great price.

    Though I do wish the Grand Canyon area would be added to the original.

  • NotYou

    I don't mind the helicopter version being separate. It's still a great price.

    Though I do wish the Grand Canyon area would be added to the original.

  • WiseWeasel

    When you've got eight pages of apps installed, I can assure you that paging back and forth starts to get tiring, and home screen real estate starts to become quite valuable. I think it's time for Apple to update the homescreen display database to enable the categorization of apps based on their App Store categories, with the ability to modify each app's section tags to allow for custom categorization. Maybe they could even allow multiple levels, so we could group all the Toy Bot episodes, board games, racing games and X-Plane variants within the 'Games' category... Could database filesystem interfaces be becoming mainstream?

  • WiseWeasel

    When you've got eight pages of apps installed, I can assure you that paging back and forth starts to get tiring, and home screen real estate starts to become quite valuable. I think it's time for Apple to update the homescreen display database to enable the categorization of apps based on their App Store categories, with the ability to modify each app's section tags to allow for custom categorization. Maybe they could even allow multiple levels, so we could group all the Toy Bot episodes, board games, racing games and X-Plane variants within the 'Games' category... Could database filesystem interfaces be becoming mainstream?

  • Tom Ross

    Just give us the grand canyon scenery to fly through!!

  • Tom Ross

    Just give us the grand canyon scenery to fly through!!

  • http://x-plane.com austin meyer

    "I am not gonna get this and I fear that we won’t see any x-plane upgrades."
    "We didn’t expect to have our version essentially abandoned"

    GOOD GAWD!

    You guys sound like Chicken Little!

    FIRST of all, I only charged pocket-change for the initial app.. $9.99!
    SECONDLY, there have ALREADY been about FOUR free updates!
    THIRDLY, MORE free updates are STILL planned!!!!

    So gimme a break and get a life! You don't get every single thing I can ever do in aviation for $9.99.. SORRY!

    Yah, there will be MORE flavors.. and if you add 'em all up they should come to (SURPRISE!!!!) about $40 or $50, with the same TOTAL power and diversity as the DESKTOP sim which costs (SURPRISE!!!!) about $40 or $50!

    There is nothing wrong with that price.. it is well-established!

    With the iPhone, you just HAVE to get it in SMALLER PIECES because of interface and RAM limitations.

    You don't get a $50 program for $9.99! I want you to have everything possible on the iphone.. but it WILL take a handful of SMALLER PIECES to make this happen.. each piece priced at a fraction of the $50 that a powerful, hi-quality program is worth! (but, when all the pieces are added up, they should add up to the desktop sim in power and price).

    And no, i am not 'abandoning' x-plane standard.. The updates will continue! I have the NEXT two airplanes for it almost done now! No they won't be helicopters or airliners.. the interface in the standard X-Plane is NOT set up to handle those.

    But they will be cool planes that fit within the niche of THAT program!

  • http://x-plane.com austin meyer

    "I am not gonna get this and I fear that we won’t see any x-plane upgrades."
    "We didn’t expect to have our version essentially abandoned"

    GOOD GAWD!

    You guys sound like Chicken Little!

    FIRST of all, I only charged pocket-change for the initial app.. $9.99!
    SECONDLY, there have ALREADY been about FOUR free updates!
    THIRDLY, MORE free updates are STILL planned!!!!

    So gimme a break and get a life! You don't get every single thing I can ever do in aviation for $9.99.. SORRY!

    Yah, there will be MORE flavors.. and if you add 'em all up they should come to (SURPRISE!!!!) about $40 or $50, with the same TOTAL power and diversity as the DESKTOP sim which costs (SURPRISE!!!!) about $40 or $50!

    There is nothing wrong with that price.. it is well-established!

    With the iPhone, you just HAVE to get it in SMALLER PIECES because of interface and RAM limitations.

    You don't get a $50 program for $9.99! I want you to have everything possible on the iphone.. but it WILL take a handful of SMALLER PIECES to make this happen.. each piece priced at a fraction of the $50 that a powerful, hi-quality program is worth! (but, when all the pieces are added up, they should add up to the desktop sim in power and price).

    And no, i am not 'abandoning' x-plane standard.. The updates will continue! I have the NEXT two airplanes for it almost done now! No they won't be helicopters or airliners.. the interface in the standard X-Plane is NOT set up to handle those.

    But they will be cool planes that fit within the niche of THAT program!

  • rich_952000

    Mr. Meyer, I have none of your products, yet, I have however been following these posts and I'll just say; your response above is exactly what i've been thinking, good job. I will now download Airliner so I can see what this X-plane hype is about. What none of these people see is that they can pick and choose what installments piqué their paticular likes and save $$$ on any area that they don't have a particular interest in. Thanks I'll let ya know how things turn out for me with X-plane Airliner.

  • rich_952000

    Mr. Meyer, I have none of your products, yet, I have however been following these posts and I'll just say; your response above is exactly what i've been thinking, good job. I will now download Airliner so I can see what this X-plane hype is about. What none of these people see is that they can pick and choose what installments piqué their paticular likes and save $$$ on any area that they don't have a particular interest in. Thanks I'll let ya know how things turn out for me with X-plane Airliner.

  • Tom Ross

    As close as a desktop sim can be to real training, the iphone version, cannot be. There are no cockpits, real world locations, traffic, atc, mixture/prop controls. It is a very lite version of the desktop version. So to compare it to your terrific desktop program is not the best idea.
    Yes it is a very good looking program for the iPhone, but it just that - a program for the iphone. So this talk of the whole thing in packages adding up to the same price as the desktop version is concerning.

    Maybe you are unfamiliar with iPhone apps and games, but all those ported or re-built for the iphone from the computer versions are also scaled down, but are also COMPLETE and priced around the $10 mark for the whole thing.

    This can and will never be a training aid or anything else. The detail is just not there. Hopefully people play this and get a sense of what flying can be like and go from there!

    And yes, I bought your program when it first came out, and yes, I was defiantly under the impression that it would be updated with more planes and maps.

    When someone asks "can you add jet planes and features?",
    you answering "yes, we have many exciting updates in the works",
    but meaning "yes, but they will be seperate and you must pay for a whle new program" its just plaain deceptive. not cool dude.

  • Tom Ross

    As close as a desktop sim can be to real training, the iphone version, cannot be. There are no cockpits, real world locations, traffic, atc, mixture/prop controls. It is a very lite version of the desktop version. So to compare it to your terrific desktop program is not the best idea.
    Yes it is a very good looking program for the iPhone, but it just that - a program for the iphone. So this talk of the whole thing in packages adding up to the same price as the desktop version is concerning.

    Maybe you are unfamiliar with iPhone apps and games, but all those ported or re-built for the iphone from the computer versions are also scaled down, but are also COMPLETE and priced around the $10 mark for the whole thing.

    This can and will never be a training aid or anything else. The detail is just not there. Hopefully people play this and get a sense of what flying can be like and go from there!

    And yes, I bought your program when it first came out, and yes, I was defiantly under the impression that it would be updated with more planes and maps.

    When someone asks "can you add jet planes and features?",
    you answering "yes, we have many exciting updates in the works",
    but meaning "yes, but they will be seperate and you must pay for a whle new program" its just plaain deceptive. not cool dude.

  • Ralph

    @Tom Ross: Aren't all cars made of the same components too? wheels, tires, seats, glass, metal, etc? So tell me how some are sold for $17k and others are sold for $200k. So fine, all the different X-Plane mini-apps for iPhone don't provide the same functionality, but for the same cumulative price, as the desktop version.

    Personally, I don't care, maybe you do, and that's fine. iPhone development is a totally different market than developing for a desktop these days. It's only logical that you would end up paying a premium "rate" for an app(s) that's written for this upscale product and fast paced market.

    Secondly, I for one think Apple should get rid of the $Free price point. I'm sick of hearing people complaining about apps (justified or not) and saying the app and/or update should have been free. If you think working for free is so noble, then call your boss up and tell him to stop giving you a paycheck each month.

    Lastly, I too would like to see the original X-Plane for iPhone pick up a few of the features now seen in the ancillary X-plane apps, but I for one still think I got my money's worth when I paid $10 for the original.

    Merry Christmas!!

  • Ralph

    @Tom Ross: Aren't all cars made of the same components too? wheels, tires, seats, glass, metal, etc? So tell me how some are sold for $17k and others are sold for $200k. So fine, all the different X-Plane mini-apps for iPhone don't provide the same functionality, but for the same cumulative price, as the desktop version.

    Personally, I don't care, maybe you do, and that's fine. iPhone development is a totally different market than developing for a desktop these days. It's only logical that you would end up paying a premium "rate" for an app(s) that's written for this upscale product and fast paced market.

    Secondly, I for one think Apple should get rid of the $Free price point. I'm sick of hearing people complaining about apps (justified or not) and saying the app and/or update should have been free. If you think working for free is so noble, then call your boss up and tell him to stop giving you a paycheck each month.

    Lastly, I too would like to see the original X-Plane for iPhone pick up a few of the features now seen in the ancillary X-plane apps, but I for one still think I got my money's worth when I paid $10 for the original.

    Merry Christmas!!

  • Justin

    Really? are you people actually complaining about this? The man's found a way to put A FLIGHT SIMULATOR on a PHONE!! hello, this usually requires a computer to do!! Seriously from what Austin's wrote its obvious he's working on it...Boo hoo if you have to have 3 *gasp* apps on your iphone...he's already explained it benefits the performance. Not only that the point of a flight simulator is not objectives its about learning how the aircraft behaves and performs and getting a sense of how to control it properly....I'm sure half of the people wanting guns and missiles cant even land it on the runway right....and seriously hes promised updates to the originaL! maybe you guys should back off a bit I realise that your'e just trying to add input so he can improve it but getting angry and boycotting his product isnt the way to go. anyway Austing good job on these they're pretty much amazing and for the rest of you guys dont get your pantys in a bunch over it just yet.....

  • Justin

    Really? are you people actually complaining about this? The man's found a way to put A FLIGHT SIMULATOR on a PHONE!! hello, this usually requires a computer to do!! Seriously from what Austin's wrote its obvious he's working on it...Boo hoo if you have to have 3 *gasp* apps on your iphone...he's already explained it benefits the performance. Not only that the point of a flight simulator is not objectives its about learning how the aircraft behaves and performs and getting a sense of how to control it properly....I'm sure half of the people wanting guns and missiles cant even land it on the runway right....and seriously hes promised updates to the originaL! maybe you guys should back off a bit I realise that your'e just trying to add input so he can improve it but getting angry and boycotting his product isnt the way to go. anyway Austing good job on these they're pretty much amazing and for the rest of you guys dont get your pantys in a bunch over it just yet.....

  • NotYou

    I've only payed this a little bit so far, but I'm loving it. It's much, much more challenging than flying the planes. I still wish they'd add this map to the original X-Plane though.

    Overall, I'm impressed with this. I just need to really figure out how to fly a helicopter now.

  • NotYou

    I've only payed this a little bit so far, but I'm loving it. It's much, much more challenging than flying the planes. I still wish they'd add this map to the original X-Plane though.

    Overall, I'm impressed with this. I just need to really figure out how to fly a helicopter now.

  • Ralph

    taking off and flying i can do. landing is another story :)

  • Ralph

    taking off and flying i can do. landing is another story :)

  • mike

    i'm looking forward to x-car. But so far, x-take-off-wait-then-land is pretty neat!

  • mike

    i'm looking forward to x-car. But so far, x-take-off-wait-then-land is pretty neat!

  • Andy

    Hi

    Just wanted to add a little balance to things here. I have never used 'real' flight sim software much before, but really like the X-Plane offerings and am more than happy with the pricing/distribution model. It allows me to choose what aspects of sim I want to play with, and pay for it accordingly.

    Now a suggestion: I strongly agree with someone who posted earlier, WW2 fighter planes would be very cool to fly! Another interesting addition to the apps would be (suitably scaled) fuel limitations.

    Cheers!

    Andy

  • Andy

    Hi

    Just wanted to add a little balance to things here. I have never used 'real' flight sim software much before, but really like the X-Plane offerings and am more than happy with the pricing/distribution model. It allows me to choose what aspects of sim I want to play with, and pay for it accordingly.

    Now a suggestion: I strongly agree with someone who posted earlier, WW2 fighter planes would be very cool to fly! Another interesting addition to the apps would be (suitably scaled) fuel limitations.

    Cheers!

    Andy