If you would have asked me when I was sitting outside of the local Apple Store all night in line for the original iPhone in late June of 2007 with $600 burning a hole in my pocket if I thought this phone would spawn a device family that would be the catalyst to what could be the biggest shake-up of the gaming industry in decades, I would have let out a derisive snort and gone back to playing my Nintendo DS. However, the iOS ecosystem seems to be doing exactly that-- A few weeks ago we heard from EA CEO John Riccitiello who explained that consoles are shrinking and the iPad is their fastest growing platform, meanwhile, Nintendo significantly dropped the price of their 3DS that is struggling to compete in a world dominated by smartphones.

The latest comes from Epic Games President Mike Capps who in an interview with Industry Gamers discussed the real threat that is the (potential) iPhone 8:

"Before the problem was between the consoles and PC where they had very different levels. The power of your PC could be 100 times the power of somebody else's PC. This time the problem could be mobile. If you look at the ridiculous acceleration of iPhone hardware and technology, trying to find a sweet spot for tech to make your mobile game... I mean, what would your mobile game look like in 2015? Who knows how fast that's going to operate, but you can bet it's going to be faster than an Xbox 360," he said.

"So I think that's the real challenge for us now, rather than worrying about the difference between a couple consoles and some order of magnitude, whether 3X or 4X. It's about how do we deal with iPhone 8... if you watch where the gamers are going that's where they are. Your iPhone 8 will probably plug into your TV, or better yet, wirelessly connect to your television set to give you that big screen gaming experience with good sound. So really, what's the point of those next-gen consoles? It's a very interesting situation to be looking at. That's what we're starting to think about more... not how do we scale from some Nintendo platform to some other future console," he concluded.

It's an interesting problem, and has been the topic of discussion with a few friends of mine lately as current generations of consoles approach the end of their life cycle. A big part of the business for home consoles is getting an install base of hardware that you can utilize to sell software for upwards of ten years. With iOS devices getting refreshed on a yearly basis combined with substantially cheaper, instantly available games, how long is the dedicated console market going to be appealing? We're already seeing iOS devices erode the previously untouchable dominance of Nintendo in the portable sector, and the features of the "iPhone 8" Capps discusses above largely already exist today-- They're just not being utilized in any meaningful way yet.

Epic later released a clarification stating that they're still very much invested in next-gen consoles as well as PC gaming, but it's hard to deny the way gaming seems to be going.

  • shadowsfall

    Well, you can always play with your friends on consoles, with any 4-player coop games out there :P

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    • TOMNfoeiwf

      Soon you could do that on an iPhone.  You probably can already, I don't know, I don't own one yet, waiting for the 5.  Developers don't even include splitscreen versus most of the time now. 

  • MicroByte

    Raw power is only one aspect of a console/portable, but deep gameplay experience is another important factor, and that's were consoles and to an extent, some handheld games have the advantage.  I think with time and more investment from bigger developers, this gap can be closed so that iOS gaming can evolve into catering to those quick fix games as well as deeper and more in depth experiences.

    I think another factor that limits iOS devices is the lack of physical controls.  Retrofitting controls on screen can only provide so much in comparison with actually using a decent control method.

    Where I do agree is that the App Store ecosystem definitely seems to be cannibalizing the share of DS/3DS and PSP markets.  I play handheld's far more than my actual consoles and find myself gravitating towards the diversity and relatively low price of iOS games to those on other portables.  I know that my personal purchases of handheld games has gone down where I am definitely only picking the cream of the crop or games that I really want to play since I can usually find an equivalent at a lower price.

    I'm hoping that the market doesn't somehow burn itself out and that developers see that some of us are willing to pay more for better looking and deeper gameplay experiences. 

    • http://players.openfeint.com OFErOne (Erwin Ocampo)

      You made several great points; console is probably going to focus on deeper gameplay and richer graphics (somewhat...due to console horsepower).

      You'll see higher percentage/quality AAA games and less mediocrity as most of those devs branch out to mobile and FB/social.  

      But my hope is innovative developers exist in all those markets (console, mobile, FB/social) to push new trends in gameplay and content because they'll have these new sandboxes to play in! (i.e. not be stuck trying to cram mediocrity into a title by a ship date).

      My two cents coming from the console world into the mobile one...

    • http://twitter.com/mguniverse Danny Perski

      You do realize that most people don't have time to sit down and play a deep experiences when they are playing their handheld games, which is why they play those games on consoles. And those affordable iOS games are only affordable because they don't need to spend millions of dollars over many years working on each game.

      • MicroByte

        True, but it's surprising how good some portable RPG or even action titles can be.  I've had some great experiences with PSP games since they were closer to console games.  

        Speaking on behalf of myself, being a husband, father and someone working full time, it's hard to want to or even get time to sit in front of a TV and monopolize it for gaming.  The Wii U actually piques my interest since I can have a console like experience with a physical controller and screen all in one.  I really wish Apple would do something similar and introduce some kind of controller dock for iPod Touches or even the iPad.

        Also, I was referring more towards the convergence of a portable device (iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch) being able to act as a home console as well as a a portable device.  I think we're somewhat seeing that with the iPad 2 and think this is a natural progression towards 1 device as a multimedia/gaming hub as well as a portable device.

  • Guest

    I like the idea of developers taking the mobile platform seriously, but so far it's all talk. I'm sure Epic know all about quality, so it should be obvious to them that as great as Infinity Blade is, it's still but a grain of sand in comparison to the likes of Gears of War. Wake me up when iOS games can match the depth and quality of console games and maybe then I'll be excited.

    • Adams Immersive

      External or remote storage of some kind will become vital for that! Or at least removing and reloading different games off of the library on your Mac/PC, WITHOUT losing your saved progress/scores/settings. (Then your iPhone/iPad’s game capacity becomes essentially limitless, the same way is already true of music: you may have to limit what’s on your device at a given moment, but you don’t have to limit the size of the library available TO your device.)

      I hope (and believe!) that Apple will come up with better control over restoring backup data from individual apps. So you can restore JUST your progress in Quake 9 Arena, rather than restoring your whole device. The work to make that possible is probably minor, and already mostly done for the sake of iCloud anyway. Then, to make it all seamless, it just has to keep that Quake 9 progress in your iTunes backup (and iCloud) even if the app is removed; and restore that data automatically when you re-install the game later.

      This would be really nice for non-game apps too.

  • http://players.openfeint.com OFErOne (Erwin Ocampo)

    Also check this relevant article out:  http://www.themobileindian.com/news/2355_Mobile-gaming-to-gradually-replace-consoles:-Qualcomm#.TkFjrw9SIf8.twitter

  • Henshin2000

    Epic Typical Anti-Nintendo they doesnt mention sony

    • http://twitter.com/mguniverse Danny Perski

      Sony has not announced plans to release a new console any time soon, but Nintendo has touted their next-gen console already.

      • ahamling27

        Is the Vita not a console?

      • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

        Console... that means something you sit on the ground and plug into your TV. Handhelds are something else.

    • http://twitter.com/mguniverse Danny Perski

      Sony has not announced plans to release a new console any time soon, but Nintendo has touted their next-gen console already.

    • ahamling27

      Exactly! Even thought the Vita is like a PS3 in your pocket. I like the iPhone/iPod/iPad store and how it's made games more mainstream, I just like physical buttons over touchscreens. My 2nd Gen iPod touch isn't compatible with 3/4 of good games released today and my iPhone 3g is the same. I wanted an iPhone 5 when they should have came out in June...no luck...still waiting. Now I might just get an Android and go with Vita for gaming. It's a tough choice....

      • Anonymous

        Vita isn't going to be anything special. It's quad core powervr and arm7 with half the clock speed of ipad 2 so you can practically compare them right now. The Vita comes out ahead due to the lack of OS overhead, but devs still can't wrap their heads around more than two cores in pcville. Vita is DOA, worse off than 3DS because 3DS at least has Nintendo first party games. Fanboys don't wanna hear it but Nintendo sells more games than activision and EA. They're #1 in software sales EVERY YEAR despite requiring Nintendo hardware. Even during the gamecube times

      • ahamling27

        You've actually proved my point exactly! Who cares if it isn't quite up there with an iPad. What sets them apart is that the Vita will have at least a 5 year life span. That iPad will get refreshed 4 more times with faster processors and what not so that 2 years after you buy an iPad you have to buy another to play games on it. Sure you can surf the web just fine, and there's lots of people who will use it just for that, but to game on it you might get 2 years 3 tops. The PSP was released in Japan in 2004, that's a 7 year life span and the games made today work just fine on a system bought in '04......

  • Art Vandelay

     3DS is heading straight to the junk pile next to a mountain of Virtual Boys.

    • http://twitter.com/Ax23000 Matt Lindquist

      There's a world of difference between the 3DS and Virtual Boy...

      • Anonymous

        Yeah like:  I own a Virtual Boy and not a 3DS.  :P  I kid, I'll get a 3DS eventually.

  • Vermifax

    The 3ds isn't struggling to compete with ipods/cell phones.   Its struggling because they released the console before they had more than two good games to release.

    • http://twitter.com/Ax23000 Matt Lindquist

      Yeah, I had the same thought.  Not only did they release the system with few high profile releases, but they released it a relatively high price point (especially given the state of the economy right now) compared to past Nintendo handhelds.  Add to that confusion amongst the average person about whether the system is actually a new platform or just another iteration of the DS.

      In other words, Nintendo is lying in a bed of their own making.  I'm not saying that iOS isn't going to eat into Nintendo's handheld business.  But odds are iOS has so far played a VERY small part in the situation the 3DS is in.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001703403928 Lily Chen

      Also the price drop is to promote a high adaption rate before the Vita is released.If they can do that Nintendo can show a bigger game arsenal versus the Sony one ( In the end its one of the things that made them win the last gen race)

      • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

        "Also the price drop is to promote a high adaption rate before the Vita is released"

        You sure it's not a desperate attempt to compete with the iPod touch, like.. right now??

  • Theidiot

    Whenever I hear the word president, I think of old bald people. Thumbs up if you agree.

    • Anonymous

      Bruce Willis for president?

  • Nightshift Nurse

    The point?  

    Consoles possess a versatility that any iOS device currently lacks.  It's well within Apple's ability to try and bridge that gap, but even Steve Jobs himself can't be delusional enough to expect consumers - accustomed as they are to various options easily tailored to their needs - will accept the monolithic nature of Apple products.

    • Anonymous

      My 360 collects dust and isn't even hooked up because I took it to a friend's house a couple weeks ago and I'm lazy. My wii hasn't been powered on since Christmas. My PS3 is booted up often for blu ray and netflix. This might not be normal, but what if it is?

      • Nightshift Nurse

        It isn't.  Nielsen numbers, game sales, the fact that Netflix use on consoles dwarfs its use on all other platforms.

        If you're honestly satisfied with what's available on iOS then rock on...the rest of the world clearly feels differently.

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      Software UI's will always be more versatile than clunky buttons with a non-mobile console with no app store. Try again.

  • Anonymous

    Duh people, the point of a console is its a self contained device that's going to consistently let you play games for a few years without dealing with fragmentation or yearly planned obsolescence. If you got a PS3 four years ago or a DS six years ago you can still play everything made for it.

    I got an iPod Touch only about a year and a half  ago and now more and more games are incompatible; either they are too slow or they won't install because they want a newer generation device. So you basically have to keep buying newer models just to keep playing games. Every firmware update breaks games, and I have a few games that have just never been patched to be compatible with the firmware version that rendered them unusable. Some of them have just never been updated and some have been pulled from the store and then re released under a new publisher so I'd have to buy them again if I wanted to use them. Even worse, some games get broken by a firmware version, pulled, and finally re released as "frreemium" versions where I'd have to pay incremental micro-transaction fees to gain access to the same content I already fucking bought when I paid for the original version of the game. 

    You don't deal with this kind of bullshit with dedicated consoles, you just buy the thing and get games for it. You don't have to keep buying the same console every 2 years at full price to keep up with upgrades. That's why they exist!

    • Decoy Octopus

      Well said. There are way too many garbage games littering the appstore. This is what lead to  the videogame crash of 1983.

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      What's the point of the next iPad? You think that's a smart question when Apple can't make them fast enough and the competitors are scrambling to catch up? Somebody hit this guy, please.

      • Anonymous

        Why can't they sell the iPad 2 next year instead of making an iPad 3 is what I'm asking dude. Geese did you even read anything or are you one of these "Oh I can't possibly be bothered to internalized any amount text longer than about 20 words" people.

        Why do they need a new hardware version every year that will lead to more fragmentation? If its such a magical product, then they won't be able to keep the iPad 2 on shelves for several years (worked for the Wii). 

        Unless of course its actually not really that great of a product and Apple is only successful due to cloaking the flaws in their devices with a rapid, circular "hot newness" cycle that causes people such as yourself to scurry out and buy the new version every year, and then rationalize your wasteful spending in a fit of unwavering cultist like consumer fanboyism...

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Epic had to put out a press release to clarify that they actually are going to support next-gen consoles? Interesting times indeed.

  • Relytgninroht

    That reason is why I believe that iOS and Android will never be true gaming platforms. It's too expensive for the average consumer to replace his old iPod or iPhone every year, and when you choose to not upgrade, you miss out on awesome new features that only the most recent version has. Computers and consoles are much more stable platforms, because computers can be upgraded, and consoles have lifespans of 5+ years. I honestly think mobile platforms will eventually reach a plateau, and upgrades will come less often or be more minor, because size is an issue when it comes to fitting better processors in, and so is heat displacement.

    • Anonymous

      You don't have to replace the device year after year. Devs can still develop for the original iphone and some of them still do. Can't believe you went on to say computers were a stable platform. The PC industry has long tried to get people to upgrade every year. It's only been recently (thanks to the consoles) that it isn't required

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      Have you ever owned an iOS device? You don't have to replace them every year. I was rockin an iPhone touch 1G up until last fall when I scooped the iPod touch 4. Think about cell  phone contracts. They're about 2 years.

  • HelperMonkey

    Batteries will always be an issue, I would think.

  • HelperMonkey

    Batteries will always be an issue, I would think.Batteries will always be an issue, I would think.

  • Anonymous

    Many console 'core' gamers do not take mobile seriously. Many PSP/DS/3DS and future Vita (which is DOA) gamers don't take it seriously. The fact is that it is serious and it will kill off dedicated gaming handhelds.

    • ahamling27

      You've got it all wrong my friend. Being able to start a game on PS3 and then pick up your save file on your Vita and continue playing is something that you can't do with anything else at the moment. Sure you can hook up your iPhone 4 to the TV but your still using the touch screen as a game pad....
      Consoles won't ever die, they might transform into more media centered devices, like an Apple TV that games or services like OnLive.

      • Dieselj

        Isnt that what you can do with the iPad 2/iPhone 4? I can play games like real racing 2 HD on the big screen wirelessly and when im happy, i can always keep on playing on the iphone......And talking about touch screen. Whats so wrong by using a touch screen. Whenever i play a console game these days, it feels like being a carpenter, holding your hammer with a wrench trying to hit a nail. 
        On the other hand, its always been like this. Console games think its the shietz to play FPS on a hand controll and PC games are hating because the ONLY real way to play FPS is with a mouse and a keyboard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.vachon Jordan Vachon

    take the appletv ... put in the aX chip from that gen , add wireless bluthooth controller (could then be used with the ipod/iphone ,   also conecting to the apple tv to stream )  and youv got yourself a console ...

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      Wireless bluetooth controller for... touch UI gaming? Dur. Just use your iPad/iPhone. That's the controller, dog.

      • Anonymous

        But why not offer a button and stick controller for developer support?  

      • Anonymous

        But why not offer a button and stick controller for developer support?  

      • dieselj

        There is the iCade :D

  • Tim

    I remember years ago playing SNES roms on my Palm Treo 650, thinking how wonderful it was to have, movies, games, music, photos, internet, email, messages, work stuff, and so on all in one device...ah memories. Leading to my point...I can drop $500-$1000 on a new iPad, or the new iPhone 5 whenever it comes out. But I struggle to spend $299 (I think) for a PS3. Yeah the PS3 has some great games, a growing market, and internet, I'm not here to put it down, but its a very narrow use device for me. I can't carry it in my pocket (in the 80's I could of...I had some really great zubaz), I can't make phone calls with it (maybe you can I'm just guessing you can, skype maybe) I can't edit work files, or text my coworkers with last minute travel info. I would love to see the big three (Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft) come up with somewhat small, travel friendly do all devices. I think (my opinion of course) that that's the way the gaming industry is going. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a gamer who's grown up and now everything seems weird and scary to me :-) 

    • ahamling27

      The Vita is going to be somewhat of a device like that. You can get a 3g model that will always be connected. They're just a couple apps away from letting you text or skype. It's not as small as an iPhone but it's damn near close enough.

      • Tim

        You're right, I've only seen a little bit of info on the Vita, but as long as it does well...and we don't have another n-Gage on our hands maybe Nintendo and Microsoft will head to the drawing boards...

    • Dieselj

      I agree. I used to run a huge PSP-site and am a gamer since 1983. Love games and all that it means, but i have to say that the iOS devices are what im drawn to these days. I dont HAVE to sit down and focus on playing games. When i look at it, dedicated game devices are more or less turning into expensive, narrow hardware. Anyone remember the MiniCall Beeper? They remind me more of that :D

  • Anonymous

    pretty much down with whatever 

  • http://twitter.com/teknikal69 P Allen

    A phone will never compete with a dedicated gaming handheld the reasons are simple enough and bulletproof. 
    They don't have the battery for a serious play session and what they do have they need for actually phoning.
    While touchscreen controls are getting better they are no where near physical controls and with gaming control is everything.
    Last and most importantly of all there just no money in making a premium console quality games on these platforms.
    Vita is going to be where the real gamers get their kicks and the 3DS lost it when they gambled on a bad gimmick that gives people headaches and eyestrain.

    • Tim

      I don't know, what do you mean be "real gamers"? I've been playing video games for a long while, even got the waist line to prove it :-) but I don't see buying another console. I gave my PS3 to my brother, I just didn't use it anymore. You might be right about a phone not being able to compete, but what about something like the iPad? Mine gets about 7-10 hours of battery life with low brightness and playing World of Chaos through Wi-Fi. Most of my friends have an iDevice, now and then after work we have a game night were we play World of Chaos, or NOVA, or whatever over Wi-Fi. It's actually really fun, no laptops, no consoles, "hey just bring your phone". Phones might not be able to compete right now, but what about 5 years from now when battery life and touch screens improve, processors will be smaller and much faster as well.  

      • http://twitter.com/teknikal69 P Allen

        I'm speaking from my experience as someone who owns an Ipod Touch and around 200 games from the app store and by real gamers I mean people who want to play real serious console titles like COD, Battlefield, Uncharted, Resistance, God of War, Monster Hunter, Gran Turismo etc.
        I don't think phones.ipods/ipads are completely useless or I wouldn't have one but my old PSP still gives me more serious gaming sessions anyday.

      • Tim

        I see, to be honest though, the games you list aren't my kind of games. I'm actually pretty bad at them, I tried COD on my old PS3 I gave to my brother and I got ripped apart online. I lost him a lot of points or something and his team mates were angry, he's 24 and lives for COD, and I'm 35 so maybe I missed something a few years back. I did pick up a PSP Go a few months ago. I returned it, it just didn't click for me. To each his own, right? I guess I'm a slow pace gamer.

      • FlailFan

        yeah man, nothing beats leading a group in Chaos, killing a horde of zombies, and leveling up all while on the john!

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      "A phone will never compete with a dedicated gaming handheld the reasons are simple enough and bulletproof"

      Still consider the iPhone a 'phone'? That's adorable. 

    • dieselj

      7-10 hours of battery time while playing on my iphone or ipad 2... Physical controls? Check out the iCade.. thats just one solution.... I think people have to face it even though they dont want to:

      1. up till mid 90's, there was possible for a game developer to develop a game by themselves, release it and earn some money to be able to do what they wanted. The games was often fun and had qualities... 

      2. then a few big giants took over the gaming industries... Huge budgets and projects that employed a lot of people. The games where fed games that looked pretty good, but often lacked quality... 1 million fps's that look the same and have the same mechanics is what we saw. Now it was impossible to start a company and try to do something smaller and more narrow. I worked at a huge project for interplay during this time...

      3. Then i went to work for DiCE with the battlefield franchinse amongst other games.... Projects became bigger and bigger... More money was in these projects... The companies grew bigger.... Do you believe it was easy to start making games? and do you believe that all gamers where happy with what they was fed...??

      4. 2007.. apple introduced the iPhone.....History was made.... What happened then is that (after the introduction of the app store in 2008) that people apple "reinvented" the gaming industry by giving users games for 1 dollar.... GOOD games... casual cames.. small, fun games that took you back to the feeling you got from space invaders, pac man and games with wonderful, simple mechanics.. Also, they got non-gamers to start playing.. i doubt that the majority of the Angry Birds players would consider going out and spend 300-500 USD on a dedicated game console....

      What has been done is something unique... Apple has taken the game industry back to what it once was... to a game industry where you dont NEED huge, costly productions and where the actual mechanics of the game get more and more important.. It doesnt matter if you have a physical joypad or haptic feedback or whatever... what matters is that Apple is the owner of the fastest growing gaming platform and that they are soon dictating the rules... a platform of say 200 or something iOS units is a VERY strong base, even if sony releases the Vita and it can make you dinner, mow the lawn or sleep with you... if its costly and have costly games, the iOS will be the winner... Nintendo are just at the moment experiencing just this....

      So, the dudes at Epic are 100% RIGHT, and what we see right now is the beginning of that... no matter if there is no joypad or whatever....

  • Akala1001

    I don't mean to be rude but if there is any person out there that thinks that iDevices or smartphones are going to replace consoles or PC's then I am afraid to say you are remarkably stupid. The only time I play my iPad is when I am in bed, waiting for something or on the toilet, and I know this is the case with a lot of other people.

    The thing most of you fan boys need to understand is that people don't buy the iPad to play games, they buy them to do everything, people don't buy the iPhone to play games, they buy it as a phone. When you buy an Xbox 360, PS3, PSP and so in, its just to play games, or maybe to rarely watch movies on it.

    Further more, the App Store is an utter joke, its full of crap and copy-cats and with such a high number of "Casual Games" Its NEVER going to be considered a real gaming power until it developers grow up and start making real games. There are a handful of good games, but most of them are ports or just on other smartphones anyway. Basically, anything the iPhone can do, the consoles and in some cases the handhelds can do better... Much, ,much better. While its slowly making progress, the App Store and the devices have a HUGE way to go before it even approaches the level of a serious gaming handheld device. 

    • Soulblast

      Actually, I bought my iPad to play games.  I might not be a hard-core gamer, as I only have an NES, SNES, Wii, PS1, PS2, PSP (launch model with CFW), 2 DS Lites, a Game Boy Micro (for reals!), a PS3 (for Blu-ray, netflix, and Bioware), an iPad and 2 iPhones.  I gave my 360 away (which I regret).

      I spend more time playing on my iPhone than any other devices now - in fact i've only bought one non-iOS game this year, and that was Mass Effect 2 on PS3. 

      I think what you will really find is that people who have a family, pets, and a career they are working on but still want to game find great pleasure in the App Store.  There are a LOT of great games there if you are willing to look.

      I leave the house for work at 6:00 PM and don't get home until about 8:00 AM the next day, take my kid to school, walk the dog, sleep until 4:00 PM, walk the dog, pick up my kid, do homework with kid, make dinner, play Dungeon Raid for a few minutes, then leave for work.  How can you fit time to play console games in a schedule like that?  And then I'm supposed to pluck down $60 on a game that I won't have time to play?

      Kard Kombat is just as fun as many games I've played on the consoles that I own and it only cost me $2.99 - that's practically nothing. 

      • Tim

        DAMN STRAIGHT Soulblast! I don't have the family, but I have the demanding job. Being about to get my gaming fix on the go before I start getting the shakes is what its all about.

      • Anonymous

        I'm not a hardcore gamer either.  I have a modest list of consoles I've accumulated from a kid till adulthood including: Intellivision, NES, Sega CDX, NES, Gameboy, GameGear, SNES, Jaguar, 3DO... *DEEP BREATH*, Virtual Boy, PS1, N64, GC, Xbox, PSP (actually..I sold it), DS Lite, 360, PS3, and Wii...

        ...and I play games on my iPad/iPod/iPhone damn near more than any of them. But what do I know about gaming.

      • Tim

        It takes a strong man to admit owning a Virtual Boy, I blocked those memories :-) ...poor little guy never had a chance...

      • Anonymous

        Haha.  It takes an even stronger wife to be married to a VB-owning man.  ;)

      • Akala1001

        That is such a selective set of circumstances, and it has nothing to do with anything. My point is, iPad games are just casual, there are only a handful of long iPad games and most of them are just ports anyway. Trust me, I know plenty of people that play Xbox 360 and PS3 and they only have ago on there iOS devices when they can't go on their actual console, its not even an alternative its basically just a temporary substitute for them and many people. 

        And there great games, I am not denying that, but younger people who have plenty of time, and older people who buy the devices, they use them for music, videos, apps and whatever and then games, its not even a real gaming device, it isn't even marketed like that, its marketed as an all-purpose device that just happens to play games, just like nearly EVERY SINGLE SMART PHONE ON THE MARKET.

        I think what YOU are failing to understand is that VERY, VERY few people actually brought the iPad with the sole intent to play games. And if you come to an iPad gaming website, then of COURSE you're going to get similar people but this website makes up a TINY estimate of all iOS Device owners. 

      • dieselj

        So, what is better for a company. 100 million casual gamers or 1 million hardcore gamers? Apple has sold something like 15 billion apps to date. Myself i ONLY play on the iPad 2 and now and then the iPhone 4.... My son plays the X360... I think its awesome that there is casual games... Why would that be a problem? You seem like a person that think there is something wrong with casual games, but myself i DONT have the time to put 350 hours into a RPG or say goodbye to the world and play the rest of my life in WoW... i have a house, a company, a family etc etc... My nephews on the other hand, they dont have a life and can easily play 19 hrs a day.... Does that mean that im a worse person than them and that i shouldnt have my choices regarding on what and how i want to play... i Know that you are a hardcore gamers, and most hardcore gamers dont like the iOS devices because its basically not a gaming device,but im affraid you are wrong there... Its that and much more....

        My fav game at the moment are Ticket to ride.... theres people in that game that played 10.000-30.000 games.. but you can also play it casual... just for fun... Why do we need games that we DONT play casual.. why do we need games that you have to set aside 5+hrs a day to play.. AND what is the difference... is a game bad because is simple like tetris or space invaders.....

        I dont understand why you get upset by the iOS devices not BEING REAL gaming devices. Does it have to be?

    • TamSE3P

      I would beg to differ. I am no apple fanboy but i do consider myself a gamer. And not a casual gamer. I love COD and my Gran Turismo, and as of late Catherine. But in the past 4 or so years of my life where I have established a career and finding less and less time at home, its difficult to really sit down and enjoy a great RPG or blast away a zombie apocalypse. I've now subsituted my gaming needs with my iphone which does it very well. If I want a great shooter ala Halo style, I'd play Nova, or COD Zombies, if I want a racer, I've got need for speed: shift 2, real racing 2, and if I wanted a fighter, I have mortal kombat and for some sports nostalgia, I'll play some nba jam. All the games I mentioned are produced by their reputable companies and they're not a port (although the final fantasy tactics that just got released is but still good nonetheless). I'm not trying to defend iphone users or anything like that. I just wanted to point out that there are games with depth, not just stupid "casual games" that people think that's all these mobile platforms are capable of. Trust me buddy, I love my ps3, I love my pspgo, I loved my nintendo dsi, and I even want to pick up the 3ds, I really do. But coming home from a career, and not really wanting to fiddle with my ps3 instead to turn it on and play some netflix while I continue where I left off on my phone is so much easier. Quite honestly, I feel that those devices I leave at home will continue to collect dust and sometimes, the only reason I play them at all is because I feel guilty for even having spent so much money on something I don't even use. I see a shift in gaming. Companies are following suit. I don't thinking the iphone is the next big gaming thing, but mobile is where its heading.

      • Akala1001

        You see the pattern arising here? Everybody who's trying to prove me wrong is in the same circumstances, you don't have time to play REAL games so you play casual ones on a mobile device! That's not what gaming is about. 

        And no, mobile isn't where its heading at all. I think if people actually understood what most gamers love about games then they'd understand why I disagree with this whole mobile gaming thing. People want a comfortable controller in there hand, a nice TV set up and a good game with great graphics, they want to be immersed into a great story and great characters, and some want competitive online multiplayer, while others just want to relax and have fun. 

        Mobile gaming will stay as mobile gaming, its not even comparable to the likes of Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock, Battlefield, Fable, Elder Scrolls, Fight Night, or anything other game like that. You can bring up a poor mans version of those games but mobiles will always be emulating what consoles have already been doing for years and that is how it will stay. End of. 

      • http://toucharcade.com Eli Hodapp

        Do you realize that the iPhone 4 as it exists right now is one bluetooth profile away from being able to do all the things you mentioned?

      • http://toucharcade.com Eli Hodapp

        Do you realize that the iPhone 4 as it exists right now is one bluetooth profile away from being able to do all the things you mentioned?

      • dieselj

        What is gaming about? Hardcore gaming? So you mean im not into real gaming because i LOVE tetris? Or is it a matter of time.. do you mean if i play tetris in front of a tv with a REAL joypad for atleast 10hrs a day.. am i gamer then?,..... Or can i stop at 5?..... Man, i think youre way off here if you excuse me... I think you are a fanboy, just pissed off at Apple because they got non gamers playing.. its like when someone watch Twillight and they love it, but then when it goes mainstream, they get pissed off and hate because THEIR movie got "stolen" by other fans.... 

        And by mobile gaming, there isnt necessary a device that you play like you do today... Today its possible to connect your iPad 2 to your TV and use a bluetooth controller like the iCade... (Like Eli mentions)... the future is a device that you have in your pocket... you get to a friends house, connects to his tv, puts the device on the table and both you and your friend takes your BT controllers and play away.. ofcourse there will be different controllers available so you can have your superduper uber FPS controller.... There is also possibly an option to get 3rd part controllers so you dont have to admit that you are using apple stuff. You might even be able to get something that looks really really frighteing and cool so that you look awesome and hardcore so people dont believe you are a casual gamer... :)

    • Kakitamike

      Actually, last I read, most people DO buy idevices to play games.  Something like 60% of their sales are for gaming.

      And I would argue that app games are just as real as console games.  If you're playing it and having fun, it's a game.

      My only worry with all the app games is how console developers are watching how iap and microtransactions are shooting profits through the roof, and I'm not looking forward to playing in a game environment where your wallet dictates your resources.

      • Tim

        Spoken like a scholar! And yes...I too worry about IAP...

      • Akala1001

        I agree with your last point, its very annoying to pay money for a game, just to realise that you need to pay more to get the content that was probably already in the game, that is actually happening a lot in consoles now. I believe it started with MMORPG's. 

        And no, people do NOT buy iPhones to play games, they buy them for the phone and other things, people buy the iPad's for all the Apps, maybe on a gaming website you will find people that agree with you but other than that, I think you will find most people buy the iDevices for a number of reasons, not just games. 

    • Tim

      Starting off with calling people remarkably stupid is a great way to make friends. I bought my iPad to play games. But I guess I'm not hardcore either...do you know if Steam offers refunds for 26 games that a casual gamer bought thinking he was pretty hardcore? Or if I can trade in 2 boxes full of old Cd-Roms dating back to DOS (that was an OS for you young folk). I'm sure if I dug in my attic I could find my old NES and my old SNES and my old Sega/32x/Sega CD Combo. Maybe I could find my old PS1, I broke my PS2...beer party and game consoles...they never mix. Maybe I could get my money back for the thousands I've spend on computers and upgrades just to play the latest and greatest PC games. Because clearly, I'm just a casual gamer. Sadly in my life, when I'm in a suit and tie, riding the metro into DC, a 35 year old some what bald overweight guy pulling out a PSP or a DS just looks kind of odd (not to say I don't look odd to begin with). Alas...I must be a casual gamer...who only plays casual games from an App store that is clearly a failure...  

    • Soulblast

      In addition, all of my friends that I grew up with playing LAN games with or having SF2 tournaments with have grown up, have started or are starting families, and find themselves like me - too much real life responsibilities, families we miss when we are at work and want to spend time with at home, and not enough time left in the day to hog the TV to play video games.  But, we all play on our iPhones, can hook up via game center, and thanks to asynchronous online games, can even do multiplayer!

      I honestly can say that the PS3 is likely my last game console.

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      You're right, the iPhone is not a dedicated Games machine. That's precisely why it's so popular....that's why it's already eclipsed Xbox Live in usage. That's why there are tons of female iPhone owners. Games consoles aren't really that popular. The iPhone and iPad and iPod touch ARE extremely popular. Everyone needs a phone. Everyone wants a nice one. Face it, iOS is a developers wet dream. Quickly nearing 250 million install base.

      • sniPyro

        It's been discussed plenty of times that iOS is a horrible place for indie developers who don't have the resources to advertise their game. Too many rubbish apps that drag down the quality of the rest of the app store.

        I think it's clear that there are people who will only game on iOS, like you. Nothing wrong with that at all but there ARE others who will never think iOS games are enough. None of my 7-8 friends who own iPhones game seriously on it, but they still enjoy console games plenty. 

        Quit being obnoxious and knocking down anyone who says they enjoy console games. Plenty of us happen to enjoy both and if you think that hardcore gaming is stupid, then fine believe what you will, but don't try and presume everyone agrees. I think there's a need for both in our lives, and I'm pretty sure there are tons of people out there who will agree.

    • dieselj

      Say that to the dudes that played +30.000 games on the Ticked to Ride iPad version :D

  • Tim

    I've said this before in another chat, but the generation that grew up with Atari, NES, and maybe the old Commador 64 is older now. Yeah back when I played with my PS1 I was kicking ass in Tekken in my 6th year of College, but I have a job now that demands a lot of my time. Right now, I'm sitting in my office, waiting for a meet to start at 11am. After the meeting, my coworkers and I get lunch, then I work through till normally 6 or 7 pm. Finally a device has hit the market share I believe I'm in. The 25-40 year old working adult who loves gaming but doesn't have the huge chunk of time to devote to it. 

    • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

      So how is that different from owning a Gameboy back 15 years ago, like the generation that had a ZX Spectrum or a Commodore 64 when THEY were young did?

      You don't address the topic of the post. Nintendo no longer dominates the handheld market. You no longer have a reason for buying a handheld purely for gaming. That's what changed, not that you couldn't play a game on a handheld back in the day. Gameboys can be shut off at every given second. Just push the power button. You'll be able to continue your game right from where you left off, just push the button again.

      Gamers like Wil Wheaton or the guy who translated Monkey Island into German 20 years ago always had a Gameboy pocket with them before the iPhone came out. Now they don't. Because they don't need ANOTHER device.

      THAT'S what changed. Not that you grew up and now don't have time for endless hours of gaming.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ngohuyq Huy Ngo

        LOL Wil Wheaton, isn't that Wesley Crusher?!  

        Even though I'm grown and have responsibilities, I still want something that can provide endless hours of gaming!  

        What iOS provides is an all-in-wonder machine that can do it all in one small package.  I don't want to take my PSP nor my DS around with me anywhere because iOS most of it already.  This doesn't mean I don't play any games on my PSP or DS at home because I do!  Strictly due to exclusivity of games per the handhelds.  If every game were available to other permanently grounded home consoles I would play it on those instead and save a buck from needing to buy the handhelds.

      • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

        Sure. But the topic of the post was "Do we need the next generation of Gaming Consoles" not "How do I, Huy Ngo, play games on the go" or "Do I have time for playing games now that I, Tim, am not a Teenager anymore".

        I remember the times when the first Gameboy came out and "won" against the Game Gear because the Game Gear is a massive clunker. Incredibly heavy, playtime of 4 hours at most with 8 AA Batteries. A joke.

        So, to get back on topic: the question isn't "Do we need that next generation of gaming consoles". The question is "Should we, EA, wait for the next Hardware Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo release?".

        And the answer is no. You shouldn't wait, dammit. You sit your ass down and produce games and you produce them NOW. 

        Concerning the topic of this post: what's the point of the next gen consoles? Hello? What's the point? Are you kidding me?
        The point is, as it always has been, frakking PROGRESS. The next generation will ALWAYS have faster processors, more colors, higher resolution and with all that a MORE IMMERSIVE way of playing a game!

        The "point" is you are human, and you want to play. There will always, ALWAYS be another generation of games just like there was another generation of game after they first played tic tac toe with two sticks in the sand or the Dreidel thousands of years ago.

        Seriously. Stupid title for a gaming website. Why do I need the next generation of gaming console. Why did you "need" the iPhone? You didn't need it. You don't need any gadget to get you through the day. But you'll WANT the next generation gaming platform just like you wanted the iPhone after Steve Jobs showed it to you. *sigh*

      • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

        Sure. But the topic of the post was "Do we need the next generation of Gaming Consoles" not "How do I, Huy Ngo, play games on the go" or "Do I have time for playing games now that I, Tim, am not a Teenager anymore".

        I remember the times when the first Gameboy came out and "won" against the Game Gear because the Game Gear is a massive clunker. Incredibly heavy, playtime of 4 hours at most with 8 AA Batteries. A joke.

        So, to get back on topic: the question isn't "Do we need that next generation of gaming consoles". The question is "Should we, EA, wait for the next Hardware Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo release?".

        And the answer is no. You shouldn't wait, dammit. You sit your ass down and produce games and you produce them NOW. 

        Concerning the topic of this post: what's the point of the next gen consoles? Hello? What's the point? Are you kidding me?
        The point is, as it always has been, frakking PROGRESS. The next generation will ALWAYS have faster processors, more colors, higher resolution and with all that a MORE IMMERSIVE way of playing a game!

        The "point" is you are human, and you want to play. There will always, ALWAYS be another generation of games just like there was another generation of game after they first played tic tac toe with two sticks in the sand or the Dreidel thousands of years ago.

        Seriously. Stupid title for a gaming website. Why do I need the next generation of gaming console. Why did you "need" the iPhone? You didn't need it. You don't need any gadget to get you through the day. But you'll WANT the next generation gaming platform just like you wanted the iPhone after Steve Jobs showed it to you. *sigh*

      • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

        Sure. But the topic of the post was "Do we need the next generation of Gaming Consoles" not "How do I, Huy Ngo, play games on the go" or "Do I have time for playing games now that I, Tim, am not a Teenager anymore".

        I remember the times when the first Gameboy came out and "won" against the Game Gear because the Game Gear is a massive clunker. Incredibly heavy, playtime of 4 hours at most with 8 AA Batteries. A joke.

        So, to get back on topic: the question isn't "Do we need that next generation of gaming consoles". The question is "Should we, EA, wait for the next Hardware Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo release?".

        And the answer is no. You shouldn't wait, dammit. You sit your ass down and produce games and you produce them NOW. 

        Concerning the topic of this post: what's the point of the next gen consoles? Hello? What's the point? Are you kidding me?
        The point is, as it always has been, frakking PROGRESS. The next generation will ALWAYS have faster processors, more colors, higher resolution and with all that a MORE IMMERSIVE way of playing a game!

        The "point" is you are human, and you want to play. There will always, ALWAYS be another generation of games just like there was another generation of game after they first played tic tac toe with two sticks in the sand or the Dreidel thousands of years ago.

        Seriously. Stupid title for a gaming website. Why do I need the next generation of gaming console. Why did you "need" the iPhone? You didn't need it. You don't need any gadget to get you through the day. But you'll WANT the next generation gaming platform just like you wanted the iPhone after Steve Jobs showed it to you. *sigh*

      • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

        Sure. But the topic of the post was "Do we need the next generation of Gaming Consoles" not "How do I, Huy Ngo, play games on the go" or "Do I have time for playing games now that I, Tim, am not a Teenager anymore".

        I remember the times when the first Gameboy came out and "won" against the Game Gear because the Game Gear is a massive clunker. Incredibly heavy, playtime of 4 hours at most with 8 AA Batteries. A joke.

        So, to get back on topic: the question isn't "Do we need that next generation of gaming consoles". The question is "Should we, EA, wait for the next Hardware Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo release?".

        And the answer is no. You shouldn't wait, dammit. You sit your ass down and produce games and you produce them NOW. 

        Concerning the topic of this post: what's the point of the next gen consoles? Hello? What's the point? Are you kidding me?
        The point is, as it always has been, frakking PROGRESS. The next generation will ALWAYS have faster processors, more colors, higher resolution and with all that a MORE IMMERSIVE way of playing a game!

        The "point" is you are human, and you want to play. There will always, ALWAYS be another generation of games just like there was another generation of game after they first played tic tac toe with two sticks in the sand or the Dreidel thousands of years ago.

        Seriously. Stupid title for a gaming website. Why do I need the next generation of gaming console. Why did you "need" the iPhone? You didn't need it. You don't need any gadget to get you through the day. But you'll WANT the next generation gaming platform just like you wanted the iPhone after Steve Jobs showed it to you. *sigh*

      • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

        Sure. But the topic of the post was "Do we need the next generation of Gaming Consoles" not "How do I, Huy Ngo, play games on the go" or "Do I have time for playing games now that I, Tim, am not a Teenager anymore".

        I remember the times when the first Gameboy came out and "won" against the Game Gear because the Game Gear is a massive clunker. Incredibly heavy, playtime of 4 hours at most with 8 AA Batteries. A joke.

        So, to get back on topic: the question isn't "Do we need that next generation of gaming consoles". The question is "Should we, EA, wait for the next Hardware Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo release?".

        And the answer is no. You shouldn't wait, dammit. You sit your ass down and produce games and you produce them NOW. 

        Concerning the topic of this post: what's the point of the next gen consoles? Hello? What's the point? Are you kidding me?
        The point is, as it always has been, frakking PROGRESS. The next generation will ALWAYS have faster processors, more colors, higher resolution and with all that a MORE IMMERSIVE way of playing a game!

        The "point" is you are human, and you want to play. There will always, ALWAYS be another generation of games just like there was another generation of game after they first played tic tac toe with two sticks in the sand or the Dreidel thousands of years ago.

        Seriously. Stupid title for a gaming website. Why do I need the next generation of gaming console. Why did you "need" the iPhone? You didn't need it. You don't need any gadget to get you through the day. But you'll WANT the next generation gaming platform just like you wanted the iPhone after Steve Jobs showed it to you. *sigh*

  • http://www.facebook.com/ngohuyq Huy Ngo

    Bah relax!  There's no reason that iOS and Android cannot live next to PCs and Consoles!  I have em all and still love them all equally as if they were my surrogate children.

    • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

      Exactly. The whole post is a false dichotomy, the same as "PC or Console".

      There's a machine and programmers will make games on them just like they use an oscilloscope for the first computer game ever.

      Just as with everything else, with the iPhone the hardware came first.

      The only thing that will change now is maybe if people will WAIT for the next big console and if EA should wait too. And the answer is no. Of course you should produce games for the platform where the gamers are at.

      EA is just sad that it lost the predictability of the next big thing. They are sad that they need to adapt and that producing games got less predictable.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ngohuyq Huy Ngo

        Well put.  We gamers don't wait!  We will play on whatever we can get our hands on at any given time.  If we happen to be waiting for the next big announcement, I guarantee you we're making use of what we already have trying to bide our time.

      • http://www.peitsch.de Sebastian

        I call it the "ScummVM" way of playing games :-)

      • http://www.facebook.com/ngohuyq Huy Ngo

        Nostalgia is a worthwhile but short lived bliss for me.  I may have to try using that someday!

      • http://www.facebook.com/ngohuyq Huy Ngo

        Nostalgia is a worthwhile but short lived bliss for me.  I may have to try using that someday!

  • poute

    and yes publishers like gameloft are the future of gaming..*back to backstab*

  • Henshin2000

    The real reason that consoles is not dead is because of longetivity of the game, iphone games are always short but as long as its cheap. Ive been playing games in all genres but I have fan in mobile gaming. I have many cellphone games that I purchase

  • http://twitter.com/JamesJMueller James Mueller

    I think it's extremely misleading to say that "gamers" are moving to the iOS. While it's true that there are a lot of games being played on iOS, "gamers" is not the target audience for Angry Birds or Words With Friends. Most PC and console gamers are frustrated almost immediately by the imprecision of mobile, touch-screen-based games, and stick to the control and precision of consoles and PCs. 

    And if the iPhone 8 is going to be more powerful than the xbox 360, how powerful do you think the xbox 1080 is going to be?If iOS, or any other mobile OS, is going to try to replace PCs and consoles, they're going to have to give gamers the kind of precision and easy complexity that a mouse and keyboard can provide.

  • wohdin

    Buttons.

  • Hitmantb

    Kids are already switching to iOS devices.  I rarely see PSP/DS's these days, it is Apple and more Apple.  They got the next generation covered.  Kids want iOS devices for Christmas more than any of the consoles.  My two years old likes Angry Bird and can pass a couple of stages on her own.

    And the current generation is getting older and older, I started my gaming career in the 80's too, poured hundreds of DAYS not hours /played into World of Warcraft.  Now I am just doing iOS games on the daily train.  Heck even super hardcore games like WOW are doing everything they can to cater to casual gamers.  They are the cash cow.
    Did you see how much Zynga IPOed for?  It dwarfs the valuation of most of the "serious" studios out there.  Casual is where the money is and where the industry is moving.  Sure there will always be the hardcore audience, the E-sports folks who go to Evolution/Blizzcon tournaments, people who can pour hundreds of hours into MMORPG's, but they are the minority.  Apple is the most valuable company in the world today.  The momentum will only grow quicker with next generation devices.  iPhone/iPad's hardware power can grow a lot quicker than Consoles.  iOS does not need hardcore games to disrupt the market enough for the big three (Sony/MS/Nin) to feel the heat.     

  • Hardcore Gamer

    I've spent my life gaming since I was less than 5 years old, and I'm currently 22 years old. I own pretty much every Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft console and handheld since the SNES. I've always used my my entire free time playing games, at least 12-18 hours day. All those hours are now all being spent my ipad 2. (I'm terminally ill and it's the only thing that gets my mind off my suffering).

    As you can see, I'm very far from a casual gamer, so people who thinks it only has gimmicky garbage is very wrong. It's kind of like the DS, there are many DS games I absolutely love such as Phoenix Wright (which funnily is on the ipad too) and Another Code, but there's also many terrible mini-games touted as games. The kind you would expect to find at facebook and not for $80-90 for a handeld system.

    On my ipad 2, I can just turn of the screensaver by pressing a button and play any of my 200+ game with just a few taps. On a console I have to change discs all the time, just because I felt like playing something else.

    With consoles, I have to start my TV that I never use for anything else and have I am forced to sit on my couch all the while I'm playing. With my ipad, I can play anywhere I want.

    While playing on it, I can see whoever comes on msn and skype and chat to them. I would miss them if I was playing a console. I can also listen to any music I want (no I don't use iTunes to buy music, I hate Apple as a company even if they make good devices).

    I can play MMOs on it without having to sit at the same place all day, with flawless comtrols that have the same quality as WoW, but only cost 1$ per month. I don't know if a console has games that good, but I can't imagine playing a mmo on a controller would be fun (I tried FFXI).

    It's also got great homebrew, my favourite is Osu!, which is a fan-made game using the same gameplay as Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents. It has thousands of songs to pick from, all made by other users. It has a PC version which uses the mouse, but it's only fun to play on a touch screen like the original games IMO.

    Jailbreaking is not only legal, but you can do it in literally 5 seconds by going to a website using the internet browser of the device. Consoles tend to be much more complex and requiring to mod your device, and keeps breaking it because of a forced firmware update or you can't play any new games. And if whoever made the modchip or whatever stops support for it, you're screwed when the next update comes and have to send it in to replace it with a newer modchip.

    It's also incredibly good it's at playing videos and surfing the web/youtube anywhere I am, but I found that out after a bought it, my only reason for buying it was the games.

    When it comes down to it, being charged $100 dollars per console game (european here) when I can get a game just as good for $1 to $10? No thanks.