It's not very often that a game comes along on the App Store that is too different to really liken it to anything. I suppose since the game involves going moving to the right it could be compared to Canabalt [$2.99] or Line Rider iRide [$1.99] since you're technically drawing the line that your character skis on, but neither seem like apt comparisons. In Solipskier [$2.99], you draw the mountain that your skier flies down by placing your finger on the screen. When you pick your finger up, you stop drawing but your skier keeps going-- So, by tapping and moving your finger around you can create slopes of all kinds, along with ramps and huge jumps.

The way this all works on the iPhone goes together so well with the touchscreen that I was more than a little surprised in researching this game for this review that it started its life as a completely free to play flash game that is played by clicking the mouse instead of dragging your finger around. The presentation is top notch too, with music that ranges from this really somber sounding piano piece in the menus to a fast paced heavy metal rock ballad while you're skiing.

Also, as you paint the slopes with your finger houses and trees spring up from, and despite being largely black and white and 2D, the scenery has quite a bit of depth to it, with trees and houses scrolling on front of the scoreboards. Yet another cool little flourish in the game is that the music you're listening to is actually emanating from your character's headphones. If you go fast enough for them to fall off, all you hear is the sound of the wind. Upon successfully landing a jump, you're judged by off-screen judges who hold signs up scoring it, and the name of the game is to just score as high as possible.

Included in the game is OpenFeint online leaderboards for tracking scores, although achievements are curiously absent. Scoring high seems to be highly dependent on keeping your combo going to keep the rainbow following your skier up, which involves constantly skiing through the gates and tunnels are they appear on screen. One mistake I initially made when playing the game was drawing my jumps far too steep, and seem to be having better luck with long slow inclines and then short ramps at no more than a 45 degree angle. Forum member Ataloss offers additional tips in the Solipskier thread.

If nothing else, you should really try the free flash version, but just be aware that the game seems to work even better using the touchscreen of iOS devices. Solipskier is universal, and even comes with high resolution graphics for the Retina Display of the iPhone 4 (which look excellent, by the way). The game plays nice with the fast app switching in iOS 4 and reloads instantly, but it would be really nice if the game resumed in a paused state to give you an opportunity to reorient yourself before playing instead of having your little dude just go right back to skiing almost always resulting in death.

Overall, it's really hard to ask for more in a Flash to iPhone port, and Solipskier is really worth grabbing if you're even the least bit captivated by the Flash game.

TouchArcade Rating

  • http://mikengreg.com Greg

    Hey Eli,

    There's a pretty great video of player making a decently high score that shows off some of the speed that's possible in the game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_nx-lFpCRs

    :)
    Greg

  • http://mikengreg.com Greg

    Hey Eli,

    There's a pretty great video of player making a decently high score that shows off some of the speed that's possible in the game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_nx-lFpCRs

    :)
    Greg

  • Metalbear

    Definitely picking up. Seems unique.

  • Metalbear

    Definitely picking up. Seems unique.

  • Lucky

    Game doesn't need OF, nor does it need Achievements. I love the game but the developers messed it up with OpenFeint. Could have gone with AGON Online. - Or just had the ability to tweet to twitter with the hashtag #Solipskier. - But Nooo.

    • Fluffeh

      Not everyone has a Twitter with which to spam their high scores and OpenFeint is basically the standard scoreboard at the moment. If you don't like OF, just press "I don't want these awesome features" or whatever they say when you first open the game.

      • John

        I would have preferred agon as well, I can count on my hand the games that use OF well, everything else is butchered by it.

      • cranker

        I Have no problems with OF, but for high scores I love AGON. It's so simple with no frills.

      • Lucky

        Couldn't agree more. I really hope the developers read this.

      • J@AppleSeed

        this would be better on agon, it's a nice and sleek service

      • Mr Cig

        I gotta agree with Fluffeh, it wold be spam, but then again the game does run extremely slow when your high school is submitted. Devs change it.

      • http://soiled.com Gload

        Who cares about what online service they use? It's all going to get consumed by Game Center anyway. OF has by far the most users and most games supporting it so if you want your score to mean anything you'll stick with the much larger community/

      • starmonkey101

        i agree with gload. if you want more people to acknoledge your awesome scores, the OF is there for you... if you want a few people here and there to glance at your high record, then maybe agon or crystal. :P

        i like plus+ too. but OF for me, is the most reliable and easiest to maneuver through. personally, i think crystal is a mess as far as the UI goes, and it looks terrible.

      • Dr.Fargo

        Both of you don't understand what the original commenter means. He's simply stating that OpenFeint lags like a bitch, and is a complete and utter clusterfuck. It's ugly, bloated and has the worst support.

        AGON is clean simple and sleek. - Either that or just add Twitter Support and keep it at that.

  • Lucky

    Game doesn't need OF, nor does it need Achievements. I love the game but the developers messed it up with OpenFeint. Could have gone with AGON Online. - Or just had the ability to tweet to twitter with the hashtag #Solipskier. - But Nooo.

    • Fluffeh

      Not everyone has a Twitter with which to spam their high scores and OpenFeint is basically the standard scoreboard at the moment. If you don't like OF, just press "I don't want these awesome features" or whatever they say when you first open the game.

      • John

        I would have preferred agon as well, I can count on my hand the games that use OF well, everything else is butchered by it.

      • cranker

        I Have no problems with OF, but for high scores I love AGON. It's so simple with no frills.

      • Lucky

        Couldn't agree more. I really hope the developers read this.

      • J@AppleSeed

        this would be better on agon, it's a nice and sleek service

      • Mr Cig

        I gotta agree with Fluffeh, it wold be spam, but then again the game does run extremely slow when your high school is submitted. Devs change it.

      • http://soiled.com Gload

        Who cares about what online service they use? It's all going to get consumed by Game Center anyway. OF has by far the most users and most games supporting it so if you want your score to mean anything you'll stick with the much larger community/

      • starmonkey101

        i agree with gload. if you want more people to acknoledge your awesome scores, the OF is there for you... if you want a few people here and there to glance at your high record, then maybe agon or crystal. :P

        i like plus+ too. but OF for me, is the most reliable and easiest to maneuver through. personally, i think crystal is a mess as far as the UI goes, and it looks terrible.

      • Dr.Fargo

        Both of you don't understand what the original commenter means. He's simply stating that OpenFeint lags like a bitch, and is a complete and utter clusterfuck. It's ugly, bloated and has the worst support.

        AGON is clean simple and sleek. - Either that or just add Twitter Support and keep it at that.

  • Josh

    It's not a flash 'port' really, they were released on the same day. It's an iOS game that has a free flash version.

  • Josh

    It's not a flash 'port' really, they were released on the same day. It's an iOS game that has a free flash version.

  • radda

    i wish apple would lower the amount of money they took from the developer when the app costs $.99 (90% dev 10% apple) so more game makers could charge at this price and still make money while allowing for that immediate buy impulse because its only a dollar
    This game would be perfect for that price plus it would get the developer name out.

  • radda

    i wish apple would lower the amount of money they took from the developer when the app costs $.99 (90% dev 10% apple) so more game makers could charge at this price and still make money while allowing for that immediate buy impulse because its only a dollar
    This game would be perfect for that price plus it would get the developer name out.

  • Wegmans

    So I bought this because I have some disposable income, but I have to say while I like the game itself, it is absolutely not worth $3. Do not buy it at this price if you are on the fence. There aren't multiple game modes or unlocks or any value additions to this game. I'm not saying it's a bad game, quite the contrary, I have only positive things to say. Just remember, it is not by any means worth $3; $1 would be the most appropriate.

    • Yrogerg212

      I disagree. The game is a ton of fun, you can do what you want with it, and the polish is admirable. You KNEW when you bought it there were no achievements etc. I think if $3 is a high price for anyone, it wouldn't be for the people playing on a platform where the entry barrier device is $200. Can you program this game? Do you know the work that went into it?

      • Sugar Pants

        McDonald's Hamburger (6 min of NO SKILL to make) = $1.00
        Solipskier (3 seconds in Steve Job's magical orifice to make) = $2.99

        Hmmmmm....

        Well hell, if this thing just appears out of Steve Job's magical orifice on his magic app store for no money and time HELL YEA $2.99 is WAY TOO MUCH!!!! Steve is just too greedy charging these outrageous prices. He doesn't have to do ANY SKILLFUL WORK to make this happen.

        Wegmans, I totally agree with you.

      • Wegmans

        Clearly I indicated that it was not the cost of the game that I had a problem with, it was the VALUE that you receive. People coming to this site ask this question, and hopefully now they can see that this game at $3 is overpriced. The game is great, and I enjoy it, but if someone has a $10 iTunes gift card then they may want to reconsider spending so much on this.

      • Yrogerg212

        What do you see as 'value'? I know many people who only have Canabalt on their iPhones. It doesn't have achievements or bonus levels, but they come back and play it again and again because it is well done and a fun game. In contrast, I have games with achievements and OpenFeint that I still haven't played on my iPad because I am too busy playing Doodle Jump and Solipskier! What are add-ons worth if they only serve to inflate prices? Pay for the gameplay. Not the dressings.

  • Wegmans

    So I bought this because I have some disposable income, but I have to say while I like the game itself, it is absolutely not worth $3. Do not buy it at this price if you are on the fence. There aren't multiple game modes or unlocks or any value additions to this game. I'm not saying it's a bad game, quite the contrary, I have only positive things to say. Just remember, it is not by any means worth $3; $1 would be the most appropriate.

    • Yrogerg212

      I disagree. The game is a ton of fun, you can do what you want with it, and the polish is admirable. You KNEW when you bought it there were no achievements etc. I think if $3 is a high price for anyone, it wouldn't be for the people playing on a platform where the entry barrier device is $200. Can you program this game? Do you know the work that went into it?

      • Sugar Pants

        McDonald's Hamburger (6 min of NO SKILL to make) = $1.00
        Solipskier (3 seconds in Steve Job's magical orifice to make) = $2.99

        Hmmmmm....

        Well hell, if this thing just appears out of Steve Job's magical orifice on his magic app store for no money and time HELL YEA $2.99 is WAY TOO MUCH!!!! Steve is just too greedy charging these outrageous prices. He doesn't have to do ANY SKILLFUL WORK to make this happen.

        Wegmans, I totally agree with you.

      • Wegmans

        Clearly I indicated that it was not the cost of the game that I had a problem with, it was the VALUE that you receive. People coming to this site ask this question, and hopefully now they can see that this game at $3 is overpriced. The game is great, and I enjoy it, but if someone has a $10 iTunes gift card then they may want to reconsider spending so much on this.

      • Yrogerg212

        What do you see as 'value'? I know many people who only have Canabalt on their iPhones. It doesn't have achievements or bonus levels, but they come back and play it again and again because it is well done and a fun game. In contrast, I have games with achievements and OpenFeint that I still haven't played on my iPad because I am too busy playing Doodle Jump and Solipskier! What are add-ons worth if they only serve to inflate prices? Pay for the gameplay. Not the dressings.

  • James

    This is easily worth the asking price of $2.99 (same price as the other ports of Canabalt and Robot Unicorn Attack).

    I love the OpenFeint integration, don't change it to anything else. Achievements would be great though.

    • Josh

      That is probably why I have refused to buy flash ports. Over priced and lacks content. Make it worth the price and mayby I will buy.

      • Wegmans

        Exactly! Well said, look how successful Angry Birds has been, and that's not some ripoff flash port.

    • Dr.Fargo

      OpenFeint is the worst part about it. When I heard it was integrated with OF i vomited.

  • James

    This is easily worth the asking price of $2.99 (same price as the other ports of Canabalt and Robot Unicorn Attack).

    I love the OpenFeint integration, don't change it to anything else. Achievements would be great though.

    • Josh

      That is probably why I have refused to buy flash ports. Over priced and lacks content. Make it worth the price and mayby I will buy.

      • Wegmans

        Exactly! Well said, look how successful Angry Birds has been, and that's not some ripoff flash port.

    • Dr.Fargo

      OpenFeint is the worst part about it. When I heard it was integrated with OF i vomited.

  • ghOti

    If you asshats have trouble justifying 3 dollars for even 10 minutes of entertainment, you need to re-evaluate your life. Maybe it's time to live a little, ehh?

    It's 3 dollars. A lot of you burn more in gas everyday. And for those of you who don't: it's time to get out more.

    • yerro

      not everyone drives :P

      • http://soiled.com Gload

        Yeah they bum off the gas of others.

    • Josh

      It is not that I cannot afford the $3 it is that there are 1000s of other apps that are $.99 and provide a hell of a lot more content than these $3 flash games. Now if there were no games for $.99 that provided as much content as they do then no one would complain.

    • cranker

      Agree :)

      • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

        Sorry but $3 for 10 minutes of entertainment is ridiculously expensive. I know that's not really your point, but still, nobody would go to movies if they were $40 a ticket($18 an hour).

      • Member

        "nobody would go to movies if they were $40 a ticket($18 an hour)."

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/luxury-movie-theater-char_n_131371.html Luxury Movie Theater Charging $35 Per Ticket

      • http://soiled.com Gload

        Member you're clearly ignoring the fact that people are paying for more than just a movie. That isn't some run-of-the-mill Harkins or AMC. They're paying for the movie ON TOP of all the unique amenities. I'm not saying it's worth it, but you failed miserably at trying to debunk his point. The more prices go up, the less people that will go. At least in America, what people are earning is not matching up with the rising cost, which is why we are in a depression.

  • ghOti

    If you asshats have trouble justifying 3 dollars for even 10 minutes of entertainment, you need to re-evaluate your life. Maybe it's time to live a little, ehh?

    It's 3 dollars. A lot of you burn more in gas everyday. And for those of you who don't: it's time to get out more.

    • yerro

      not everyone drives :P

      • http://soiled.com Gload

        Yeah they bum off the gas of others.

    • Josh

      It is not that I cannot afford the $3 it is that there are 1000s of other apps that are $.99 and provide a hell of a lot more content than these $3 flash games. Now if there were no games for $.99 that provided as much content as they do then no one would complain.

    • cranker

      Agree :)

      • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

        Sorry but $3 for 10 minutes of entertainment is ridiculously expensive. I know that's not really your point, but still, nobody would go to movies if they were $40 a ticket($18 an hour).

      • Member

        "nobody would go to movies if they were $40 a ticket($18 an hour)."

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/luxury-movie-theater-char_n_131371.html Luxury Movie Theater Charging $35 Per Ticket

      • http://soiled.com Gload

        Member you're clearly ignoring the fact that people are paying for more than just a movie. That isn't some run-of-the-mill Harkins or AMC. They're paying for the movie ON TOP of all the unique amenities. I'm not saying it's worth it, but you failed miserably at trying to debunk his point. The more prices go up, the less people that will go. At least in America, what people are earning is not matching up with the rising cost, which is why we are in a depression.

  • misfitskater6

    This game is awesome. Buy it now.

  • misfitskater6

    This game is awesome. Buy it now.

  • metalcasket

    Even if the game wasn't as addictive as it is, the music had me sold. Awesome. m/

    • MJFox

      I hate the music! :-(

      • Wegmans

        Same here MJfox

      • Whosatm

        How can you hate it? The music is amazing. I hope there is an option to keep the music/headphones on all the time.

      • http://www.mindjuice.net/charmed Ken (Mind Juice)

        Yeah, the music has to go. It is just grating and annoying. I play with it muted.

        #1 feature request: Let me play my own music!

  • metalcasket

    Even if the game wasn't as addictive as it is, the music had me sold. Awesome. \m/

    • MJFox

      I hate the music! :-(

      • Wegmans

        Same here MJfox

      • Whosatm

        How can you hate it? The music is amazing. I hope there is an option to keep the music/headphones on all the time.

      • http://www.mindjuice.net/charmed Ken (Mind Juice)

        Yeah, the music has to go. It is just grating and annoying. I play with it muted.

        #1 feature request: Let me play my own music!

  • Dan

    The piano music is Chopin's Prelude in C Minor.

    Interestingly enough, Barry Manilow stole it when he wrote 'Could it be Magic'.

    Every day's a school day :)

  • Dan

    The piano music is Chopin's Prelude in C Minor.

    Interestingly enough, Barry Manilow stole it when he wrote 'Could it be Magic'.

    Every day's a school day :)

  • george

    not much going on tbh.

  • george

    not much going on tbh.

  • Alex.B

    My finger gets in the way.

  • Alex.B

    My finger gets in the way.

  • James

    All of you saying that the game is too expensive are WAY too cheap. Get a job.

    • Josh

      I have a job and have plenty of money to burn. The fact of the matter is that there are 1000s of other games in the App store that provide far more content for the price of $.99 and this provides well 1 mode, 1 song, No special features all for $2.99 just like Canabalt. Not worth it imo.

      I rather but 3 full feature $.99 games than 1 featureless $2.99 game.

      • Ian Marsh

        So why didn't you buy 3 other games instead of buying this one and complaining about it? Do us all a favor and stick to 99 cent games.

      • Josh

        I did not buy it. I am waiting for a price drop just like I am waiting for Canabalt to drop.

      • James

        Ha you'll be waiting your whole life for Canabalt to get a price drop. It's not happening anytime soon, buddy.

        Really, this game is worth the $2.99 without a doubt. I have over 500 applications and this one is easily in the top 10.

      • Josh

        Then I will never buy it. I will stick with playing it on a computer which is rare in any case.

      • James

        What are some of your favorite games that cost 99 cents? Just curious.

      • Josh

        For $0.99 in purchase order newest to oldest here.
        Germs
        Fruit Ninja
        Angry Birds
        Driver
        PAC-MAN Championship Edition
        Eliminate: GunRange
        Dragon's Lair
        UNO
        Implode!
        Cobra Command
        JellyCar 2
        Galcon Labs
        geoDefense Swarm
        The Deep Pinball
        Minigore
        Racer
        Park It!
        I Dig It
        GloBall
        The Creeps!
        Peggle
        Doodle Jump
        3-D Vector Ball
        Flight Control
        geoDefense
        Pocket God

        And here is a list of apps that cost $2.99 and above that I believe were worth every pennny.
        Space Ace
        Osmos
        Bejeweled 2
        Plunderland
        Zen Bound 2
        Ragdoll Blaster 2
        Plants vs. Zombies
        Red Conquest!
        Labyrinth 2
        MONOPOLY
        Auditorium
        10 Pin Shuffle
        Solitaire City (Deluxe)
        WORMS
        Real Racing
        Eliss
        Sway
        Ancient Frog
        Topple 2
        Edge
        Zen Bound
        Wooden Labyrinth 3D
        Labyrinth

        This leaves out the $1.99 games which I find were worth the money but since I have bought a iPhone and iPod touch (1 year 6 months) I have spent $360.42. That amounts to almost $0.66 a day.

      • Jared Nelson

        The funny thing about your list is that half of those games were only 99¢ during a temporary sale. That sorta defeats your argument that there are thousands of 99¢ games on the store with more content. More realistically, you should be saying "if you're willing to wait it out" or "if you happen to get lucky and time your purchase right" that you can get a game with more content for 99¢.

        This game may very well be 99¢ someday, and if you're willing to wait for that then more power to you. I have no problem with smart shopping, we all appreciate sale prices with everything that we buy in life. But that's different than telling a dev that they are wrong for charging $3 for their product and that it isn't worth the price. The difference is that I spend the extra two dollars for the game and am enjoying it RIGHT NOW, while you are not. I'm very satisfied with my purchase and consider it money well spent.

  • James

    All of you saying that the game is too expensive are WAY too cheap. Get a job.

    • Josh

      I have a job and have plenty of money to burn. The fact of the matter is that there are 1000s of other games in the App store that provide far more content for the price of $.99 and this provides well 1 mode, 1 song, No special features all for $2.99 just like Canabalt. Not worth it imo.

      I rather but 3 full feature $.99 games than 1 featureless $2.99 game.

      • Ian Marsh

        So why didn't you buy 3 other games instead of buying this one and complaining about it? Do us all a favor and stick to 99 cent games.

      • Josh

        I did not buy it. I am waiting for a price drop just like I am waiting for Canabalt to drop.

      • James

        Ha you'll be waiting your whole life for Canabalt to get a price drop. It's not happening anytime soon, buddy.

        Really, this game is worth the $2.99 without a doubt. I have over 500 applications and this one is easily in the top 10.

      • Josh

        Then I will never buy it. I will stick with playing it on a computer which is rare in any case.

      • James

        What are some of your favorite games that cost 99 cents? Just curious.

      • Josh

        For $0.99 in purchase order newest to oldest here.
        Germs
        Fruit Ninja
        Angry Birds
        Driver
        PAC-MAN Championship Edition
        Eliminate: GunRange
        Dragon's Lair
        UNO
        Implode!
        Cobra Command
        JellyCar 2
        Galcon Labs
        geoDefense Swarm
        The Deep Pinball
        Minigore
        Racer
        Park It!
        I Dig It
        GloBall
        The Creeps!
        Peggle
        Doodle Jump
        3-D Vector Ball
        Flight Control
        geoDefense
        Pocket God

        And here is a list of apps that cost $2.99 and above that I believe were worth every pennny.
        Space Ace
        Osmos
        Bejeweled 2
        Plunderland
        Zen Bound 2
        Ragdoll Blaster 2
        Plants vs. Zombies
        Red Conquest!
        Labyrinth 2
        MONOPOLY
        Auditorium
        10 Pin Shuffle
        Solitaire City (Deluxe)
        WORMS
        Real Racing
        Eliss
        Sway
        Ancient Frog
        Topple 2
        Edge
        Zen Bound
        Wooden Labyrinth 3D
        Labyrinth

        This leaves out the $1.99 games which I find were worth the money but since I have bought a iPhone and iPod touch (1 year 6 months) I have spent $360.42. That amounts to almost $0.66 a day.

      • Jared Nelson

        The funny thing about your list is that half of those games were only 99¢ during a temporary sale. That sorta defeats your argument that there are thousands of 99¢ games on the store with more content. More realistically, you should be saying "if you're willing to wait it out" or "if you happen to get lucky and time your purchase right" that you can get a game with more content for 99¢.

        This game may very well be 99¢ someday, and if you're willing to wait for that then more power to you. I have no problem with smart shopping, we all appreciate sale prices with everything that we buy in life. But that's different than telling a dev that they are wrong for charging $3 for their product and that it isn't worth the price. The difference is that I spend the extra two dollars for the game and am enjoying it RIGHT NOW, while you are not. I'm very satisfied with my purchase and consider it money well spent.

  • 4twenty

    Got it free on my pc I'll just play it there can't complain about that price

  • 4twenty

    Got it free on my pc I'll just play it there can't complain about that price

  • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

    Comparing games to real life goods like coffee is just silly. Games cost almost NOTHING to reproduce. If I sell 100 copies or 1 million copies, it costs me(as an iPhone developer) the exact same amount of money. At the end of the day, if $2.99 is too much money, then people just won't pay it.

    I appreciate Wegmans comment, and I agree that $2.99 is too much for what this is(I bought it too), COMPARED to the prices of OTHER GAMES on the App Store. If it were my game, I'd price it at $1.99 - I think devs are too eager to compare prices on the App Store to prices in other markets. The App Store is about *volume*.

    I really do believe that if the devs of Canabalt had priced it at $.99 it could have made them way more money.

    For those saying "get a job" or "2.99 is cheap for a game", you don't get it. 2.99 would be cheap if I only bought a couple games a month, but on the app store, I can buy 10 or 15 games a month easily. I'm not gonna buy 15 $2.99 games, but I might buy 15 $.99 games.

    • Ian Marsh

      Unfortunately it is rare for an app to get the volume needed to make a decent profit, even at 99 cents. There is no rule stating that 99 cent games will always make more than 2.99 or 3.99 games. Surprisingly there are people out there that don't think any harder about buying a game at 4.99 than at 0.99.

      • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

        I don't disagree at all. My point was that I believe certain types of games, like this game, and Canabalt, could benefit from a lower price. I still believe in the Two App Store theory: http://www.marco.org/208454730

        There seems to be a certain amount of developer aversion to $0.99 prices, because they feel like it cheapens what we do, when in reality, a $0.99 price is just a different style of pricing. To me, a $0.99 price does not devalue the game at all. Some devs can make way more money with a low price like that, while others will make way more money with higher prices.

      • Markus Nigrin

        you are both right. A dev can decide to charge more than $0.99 and should indeed do whatever he considers "right". And a customer is free to decide if he sees enough value in a specific game to spend 3x more than for other games that maybe even compare to that specific one.
        As long as you can buy great titles out there for $0.99, the statement that someone does not want to pay more for another title is totally legit. And such a statement is not the customers problem, it is the devs problem. But it is also totally legit for the dev to find his own way out of the pricing dilemma and if that way is a higher price, it should be respected.

  • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

    Comparing games to real life goods like coffee is just silly. Games cost almost NOTHING to reproduce. If I sell 100 copies or 1 million copies, it costs me(as an iPhone developer) the exact same amount of money. At the end of the day, if $2.99 is too much money, then people just won't pay it.

    I appreciate Wegmans comment, and I agree that $2.99 is too much for what this is(I bought it too), COMPARED to the prices of OTHER GAMES on the App Store. If it were my game, I'd price it at $1.99 - I think devs are too eager to compare prices on the App Store to prices in other markets. The App Store is about *volume*.

    I really do believe that if the devs of Canabalt had priced it at $.99 it could have made them way more money.

    For those saying "get a job" or "2.99 is cheap for a game", you don't get it. 2.99 would be cheap if I only bought a couple games a month, but on the app store, I can buy 10 or 15 games a month easily. I'm not gonna buy 15 $2.99 games, but I might buy 15 $.99 games.

    • Ian Marsh

      Unfortunately it is rare for an app to get the volume needed to make a decent profit, even at 99 cents. There is no rule stating that 99 cent games will always make more than 2.99 or 3.99 games. Surprisingly there are people out there that don't think any harder about buying a game at 4.99 than at 0.99.

      • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

        I don't disagree at all. My point was that I believe certain types of games, like this game, and Canabalt, could benefit from a lower price. I still believe in the Two App Store theory: http://www.marco.org/208454730

        There seems to be a certain amount of developer aversion to $0.99 prices, because they feel like it cheapens what we do, when in reality, a $0.99 price is just a different style of pricing. To me, a $0.99 price does not devalue the game at all. Some devs can make way more money with a low price like that, while others will make way more money with higher prices.

      • Markus Nigrin

        you are both right. A dev can decide to charge more than $0.99 and should indeed do whatever he considers "right". And a customer is free to decide if he sees enough value in a specific game to spend 3x more than for other games that maybe even compare to that specific one.
        As long as you can buy great titles out there for $0.99, the statement that someone does not want to pay more for another title is totally legit. And such a statement is not the customers problem, it is the devs problem. But it is also totally legit for the dev to find his own way out of the pricing dilemma and if that way is a higher price, it should be respected.

  • cranker

    Anyone tried this on the ipad ?

    • Yrogerg212

      Yes. It is amazing. My finger hurts after long periods of play... Idk if that would be an issue on a smaller screen.

    • nick

      yes, it's GREAT on the iPad. It's a perfect universal app.

      I just hate that it doesn't rotate with the iPad. I hope they fix that in a future update.

  • cranker

    Anyone tried this on the ipad ?

    • Yrogerg212

      Yes. It is amazing. My finger hurts after long periods of play... Idk if that would be an issue on a smaller screen.

    • nick

      yes, it's GREAT on the iPad. It's a perfect universal app.

      I just hate that it doesn't rotate with the iPad. I hope they fix that in a future update.

  • roadblocked

    this game is suprisingly fun and addicting

  • roadblocked

    this game is suprisingly fun and addicting

  • teamaudi

    awesome game! fun high scorer! and possibly one of the best icons hands down.

  • teamaudi

    awesome game! fun high scorer! and possibly one of the best icons hands down.

  • Chipotle Fan

    This game is strange at first but then you realize it's great. Kind of like how chipotle is weird because it's not texmex and it's not real Mexican, but it's pretty delicious.

  • Chipotle Fan

    This game is strange at first but then you realize it's great. Kind of like how chipotle is weird because it's not texmex and it's not real Mexican, but it's pretty delicious.

  • Mintey

    As a skier myself, I'm very tempted, but I guess I'll wait for the prize to drop.

    • nick

      The prize HAS dropped! It's this game!! ;)

  • Mintey

    As a skier myself, I'm very tempted, but I guess I'll wait for the prize to drop.

    • nick

      The prize HAS dropped! It's this game!! ;)

  • TWOODEE

    such fickle people. I've only had the game for two days and feel that it has paid for itself. current high score is 7 million but I know I can at least double it. i only wish there were an option to turn off the BGM and keep the soundeffects, as it is in the flash version, so I can play music from my ipod

  • TWOODEE

    such fickle people. I've only had the game for two days and feel that it has paid for itself. current high score is 7 million but I know I can at least double it. i only wish there were an option to turn off the BGM and keep the soundeffects, as it is in the flash version, so I can play music from my ipod

  • http://mikengreg.com Greg

    Hey guys, thanks for opening up about opinions over the price. :)

    I think perceived value is different for most everyone and for that reason some people buy stuff and other people don't. Treating a game or any art form as a commodity that needs to hit a certain threshold of raw content doesn't really get to the point. It's much harder to pin down, I think.

    We were hoping that nobody would feel burned since we offered the game for free in the browser, so you'd know exactly what you were getting (sans the finger control, which is a bit more special IMHO) after you tried it out online.

    Normally for our games, which are free online in Flash, we see a larger negative reception than we've seen so far for this paid app and those players are getting it for free. The only thing they are spending on the game is a few minutes of their time. I think barriers like paying money for something separate the people that think it's worth it and those that don't. If you take a look at the reviews, you'll see this reflects that.

    Nonetheless, it's interesting to hear everyone's viewpoint and it's very much appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Greg

    ps. we are tossing around the idea of adding some achievements in with the next update, but can't promise anything.

  • http://mikengreg.com Greg

    Hey guys, thanks for opening up about opinions over the price. :)

    I think perceived value is different for most everyone and for that reason some people buy stuff and other people don't. Treating a game or any art form as a commodity that needs to hit a certain threshold of raw content doesn't really get to the point. It's much harder to pin down, I think.

    We were hoping that nobody would feel burned since we offered the game for free in the browser, so you'd know exactly what you were getting (sans the finger control, which is a bit more special IMHO) after you tried it out online.

    Normally for our games, which are free online in Flash, we see a larger negative reception than we've seen so far for this paid app and those players are getting it for free. The only thing they are spending on the game is a few minutes of their time. I think barriers like paying money for something separate the people that think it's worth it and those that don't. If you take a look at the reviews, you'll see this reflects that.

    Nonetheless, it's interesting to hear everyone's viewpoint and it's very much appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Greg

    ps. we are tossing around the idea of adding some achievements in with the next update, but can't promise anything.

  • Jared Nelson

    LOL at all the comments about price. It's making my day :)

    Simple solution: if you don't think this game is worth $3, then don't buy it. It's not going to affect all the people who are loving the game and feel it's well worth the money. There's no need to come on here and spout your armchair marketing "expertise" when in reality you have absolutely no idea how much work went into making this game, the money already sunk into its development, the circumstances that brought them to arrive at the selling price, etc.

    Someone gets 10 minutes of entertainment out of this app? Then maybe it is bad value for the money TO THEM, and they should have been more aware of the types of games they are willing to pay for. Nobody forced them to click the buy button. In contrast, I've had hours of entertainment from this game already, so my assessment of price to value is incredibly high. TONS of entertainment for the price, not to mention the hours that I will be enjoying it into the future, as it's not leaving my device. Great value for the money, FOR ME.

    And comparing to Angry Birds just isn't fair. 99.99% of dollar games fail to reach that kind of success, even if they are high quality fun games. It's a crap shoot. Plus, the Angry Birds you buy for a dollar today is not the same game that you bought for a dollar (or two, as it DID used to be two dollars) back when it came out. It still had a lot of content, but it has like triple the amount of content now. They were only able to add that much extra content due to the massive success.

    Not knocking Angry Birds, mind you, I love that game and think it's probably the BEST value for the money on the entire App Store. But it's not the standard model for all games by a long shot. If there truly are "1000s of other games in the App store that provide far more content for the price of 99¢" then why isn't the top 200 flooded with all of these games? Why don't all of those thousands of games achieve the same massive success of Angry Birds? Do you even know if any of those games turned a profit or not? My guess is that most of them did not, or at least didn't turn a big enough profit for those developers to continue making games at that price, or continue making games at all for that matter. They most likely felt they needed to price at 99¢ since nobody is willing to pay more for a video game anymore. Eventually those devs will just give up on the App Store altogether, and we'll all be left playing fart apps for our entertainment.

    Rant aside, there's no need to come in here and comment that his game is too much money, and act like the devs are doing a disservice to you by offering their product for more than a dollar. It's borderline trolling, as price discussions always devolve into flame wars. Just ignore the game and move on to your thousands of other way better cheaper games.

    • Chipotle Fan

      Ultimate burn!! Not sure but I think this was indirectly aimed towards that guy Josh. Either way, it made me want a burrito bowl with extra guac from chipotle. Great game too.

      • http://www.mikengreg.com mike

        Dude, chipotle is so good, i want some right now...

      • Chipotle Fan

        I know right?? Chipotle offers a cornucopia of Mexican inspired dishes that seem to brighten my day regardless of what mood I'm in. Kind of like a good friend. Aside from it's great menu, it is also a terrific social setting whether on a date, with friends, or settling a falling out with someone. And the best part is they only serve free range beef! So you can enjoy your 3 taco combo or burrito with steak next time and feel guilt free! Oh and this game is way worth the asking price.

    • http://soiled.com Gload

      tl;dr

      Who gives a crap what some wall-of-text ranting maniac thinks?

      • mikeg123

        Probably a lot of people, as Jared is very well respected in the TA community. And I totally agree with him. What no one cares about is a garbage post such as your own.

      • Jared Nelson

        Thanks for the vote of confidence mikeg :)

        It takes a special kind of ignorance for people that don't even bother to read a comment and yet pass judgment on the person based on the size of a comment.

    • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

      I agree with most of what you're saying, and I think you're right in saying that comparing anything to Angry Birds or Doodle Jump is a little silly, because they're the exception, not the rule.

      That being said, I also think it's ok to accept that some users find the price of $2.99 too high for what they get for this game. If we're talking about Wegman's comment, he basically said that he didn't think it was worth $3 to HIM, and I'm sure a lot of other users would feel the same way, so it's a valuable comment. I think you have to look at this game in the context of other games on the App Store, and if you do that, then it may very well be slighly overpriced for what it gives you(again, value is a subjective thing).

      I wrote a short post on my blog in response to all this talk about pricing that should give you an idea of my thoughts on the issue: http://struct.ca/2010/pricing-games/

      • Jared Nelson

        I reread Wegmans comment, and I still don't quite understand. There's a full review of the game, a video, an iTunes description, even the entire game available in the browser to try out, so in every regard he knew exactly what he was getting before he bought the game. And yet he bought it anyway, for the price of $3. And he likes it on top of that!! Only positive things to say about it, he says.

        Then, he says with absolute certainty that the game is not worth $3 because it doesn't have multiple modes or unlocks. That because it only has one mode, it is not deserving of a certain price, despite having fun with and enjoying that one mode. So is he pissed he bought it then? He's playing it and liking it. But there aren't enough menu options for him?

        He's basing value on bullet points rather than experience, it seems. Whereas I'm basing it off of the entertainment provided, and I've easily had more than $3 worth of entertainment with the game thus far. Should they charge less for a movie because it doesn't have as many explosions as another movie playing at the same theater? In that case, we would all be paying $50 to see every Michael Bay movie, no matter how unenjoyable they are.

        Gameplay trumps all IMO, and is where a game should ultimately be judged. Would the game all of a sudden be more fun if it cost only a dollar? No, it's the exact same game either way. On the contrary, a game can come out and have multiple single player campaigns, dozens of achievements and leaderboards, online multiplayer, a level creator, every thing you can think of under the sun. But if the game sucks and is not fun to play, it's a waste of money at any price.

        To reiterate, I don't mind if people don't want to part with $3 for this game. I also don't mind if people are willing to wait for a sale before picking it up. But there's no game that's like this on the App Store, it's not simply a clone of another game that you can pick up for cheaper. You can go buy 3 other games for the same price that will occupy your time, but you won't be getting the unique gameplay experience offered here, period. My problem is with the people who feel the need to voice their opinion that the dev is charging too much for this game, or does not have the right to charge the asking price because other games are cheaper. I don't see the value of those comments in any way.

  • Jared Nelson

    LOL at all the comments about price. It's making my day :)

    Simple solution: if you don't think this game is worth $3, then don't buy it. It's not going to affect all the people who are loving the game and feel it's well worth the money. There's no need to come on here and spout your armchair marketing "expertise" when in reality you have absolutely no idea how much work went into making this game, the money already sunk into its development, the circumstances that brought them to arrive at the selling price, etc.

    Someone gets 10 minutes of entertainment out of this app? Then maybe it is bad value for the money TO THEM, and they should have been more aware of the types of games they are willing to pay for. Nobody forced them to click the buy button. In contrast, I've had hours of entertainment from this game already, so my assessment of price to value is incredibly high. TONS of entertainment for the price, not to mention the hours that I will be enjoying it into the future, as it's not leaving my device. Great value for the money, FOR ME.

    And comparing to Angry Birds just isn't fair. 99.99% of dollar games fail to reach that kind of success, even if they are high quality fun games. It's a crap shoot. Plus, the Angry Birds you buy for a dollar today is not the same game that you bought for a dollar (or two, as it DID used to be two dollars) back when it came out. It still had a lot of content, but it has like triple the amount of content now. They were only able to add that much extra content due to the massive success.

    Not knocking Angry Birds, mind you, I love that game and think it's probably the BEST value for the money on the entire App Store. But it's not the standard model for all games by a long shot. If there truly are "1000s of other games in the App store that provide far more content for the price of 99¢" then why isn't the top 200 flooded with all of these games? Why don't all of those thousands of games achieve the same massive success of Angry Birds? Do you even know if any of those games turned a profit or not? My guess is that most of them did not, or at least didn't turn a big enough profit for those developers to continue making games at that price, or continue making games at all for that matter. They most likely felt they needed to price at 99¢ since nobody is willing to pay more for a video game anymore. Eventually those devs will just give up on the App Store altogether, and we'll all be left playing fart apps for our entertainment.

    Rant aside, there's no need to come in here and comment that his game is too much money, and act like the devs are doing a disservice to you by offering their product for more than a dollar. It's borderline trolling, as price discussions always devolve into flame wars. Just ignore the game and move on to your thousands of other way better cheaper games.

    • Chipotle Fan

      Ultimate burn!! Not sure but I think this was indirectly aimed towards that guy Josh. Either way, it made me want a burrito bowl with extra guac from chipotle. Great game too.

      • http://www.mikengreg.com mike

        Dude, chipotle is so good, i want some right now...

      • Chipotle Fan

        I know right?? Chipotle offers a cornucopia of Mexican inspired dishes that seem to brighten my day regardless of what mood I'm in. Kind of like a good friend. Aside from it's great menu, it is also a terrific social setting whether on a date, with friends, or settling a falling out with someone. And the best part is they only serve free range beef! So you can enjoy your 3 taco combo or burrito with steak next time and feel guilt free! Oh and this game is way worth the asking price.

    • http://soiled.com Gload

      tl;dr

      Who gives a crap what some wall-of-text ranting maniac thinks?

      • mikeg123

        Probably a lot of people, as Jared is very well respected in the TA community. And I totally agree with him. What no one cares about is a garbage post such as your own.

      • Jared Nelson

        Thanks for the vote of confidence mikeg :)

        It takes a special kind of ignorance for people that don't even bother to read a comment and yet pass judgment on the person based on the size of a comment.

    • http://trainyard.ca Matt Rix

      I agree with most of what you're saying, and I think you're right in saying that comparing anything to Angry Birds or Doodle Jump is a little silly, because they're the exception, not the rule.

      That being said, I also think it's ok to accept that some users find the price of $2.99 too high for what they get for this game. If we're talking about Wegman's comment, he basically said that he didn't think it was worth $3 to HIM, and I'm sure a lot of other users would feel the same way, so it's a valuable comment. I think you have to look at this game in the context of other games on the App Store, and if you do that, then it may very well be slighly overpriced for what it gives you(again, value is a subjective thing).

      I wrote a short post on my blog in response to all this talk about pricing that should give you an idea of my thoughts on the issue: http://struct.ca/2010/pricing-games/

      • Jared Nelson

        I reread Wegmans comment, and I still don't quite understand. There's a full review of the game, a video, an iTunes description, even the entire game available in the browser to try out, so in every regard he knew exactly what he was getting before he bought the game. And yet he bought it anyway, for the price of $3. And he likes it on top of that!! Only positive things to say about it, he says.

        Then, he says with absolute certainty that the game is not worth $3 because it doesn't have multiple modes or unlocks. That because it only has one mode, it is not deserving of a certain price, despite having fun with and enjoying that one mode. So is he pissed he bought it then? He's playing it and liking it. But there aren't enough menu options for him?

        He's basing value on bullet points rather than experience, it seems. Whereas I'm basing it off of the entertainment provided, and I've easily had more than $3 worth of entertainment with the game thus far. Should they charge less for a movie because it doesn't have as many explosions as another movie playing at the same theater? In that case, we would all be paying $50 to see every Michael Bay movie, no matter how unenjoyable they are.

        Gameplay trumps all IMO, and is where a game should ultimately be judged. Would the game all of a sudden be more fun if it cost only a dollar? No, it's the exact same game either way. On the contrary, a game can come out and have multiple single player campaigns, dozens of achievements and leaderboards, online multiplayer, a level creator, every thing you can think of under the sun. But if the game sucks and is not fun to play, it's a waste of money at any price.

        To reiterate, I don't mind if people don't want to part with $3 for this game. I also don't mind if people are willing to wait for a sale before picking it up. But there's no game that's like this on the App Store, it's not simply a clone of another game that you can pick up for cheaper. You can go buy 3 other games for the same price that will occupy your time, but you won't be getting the unique gameplay experience offered here, period. My problem is with the people who feel the need to voice their opinion that the dev is charging too much for this game, or does not have the right to charge the asking price because other games are cheaper. I don't see the value of those comments in any way.

  • starmonkey101

    omg. all of these people who are complaining about three dollars need to f-off. seriously. this is THREE DOLLARS!!! OOOOOMMMMGGGG!!!! personally, i think the game is outstanding and will stay on my iphone AND ipad for eternity. i love the game SOOOOO much.

    the people who complain about three frikin effing dollars need to go and die or something. you guys are total cheapskates and entitlement freaks who think that everything in the appstore is going to come cheap or free. WELL TAKE A LOOK AROUND, LOSERS! the good things in life are never free. and those of you who are complaining about the content, extra features or the gameplay, shut up as well. the devs took the liberty of making a FREE flash version of the EXACT same gameplay! you knew what the game was and how it played before you even had to purchase it! PLUS, the app description TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE APP! so stop complaining achievements this extra features that. SHUT UP!

    geez! i had a horrible 10 minutes reading through this conversation of idiotic entitlementers (thats my name for the people who want everything cheap or free). so one more time. SHUT UP AND GET A LIFE!

    • Chipotle Fan

      Woah there... Sounds like some needs to relax with 3 soft flour tortilla tacos filled with his/her choice of meat. Be it braised carnitas, barbacoa, adobo-marinated and grilled chicken, or steak...all are sure to satisfy. But it doesn't stop there. You can choose to add salsa, cheese or sour cream, and romaine lettuce. Chipotle's menu may not be long, but it's definetly Long on options.

      • Starmonkey101

        Okay. U are pushing it with the chipotle thing.

      • Chipotle Fan

        Hey, if you and your family were even half as indebted to the Chipotle franchise as I am, you'd be singing a different tune. So don't pass judgment.

  • starmonkey101

    omg. all of these people who are complaining about three dollars need to f-off. seriously. this is THREE DOLLARS!!! OOOOOMMMMGGGG!!!! personally, i think the game is outstanding and will stay on my iphone AND ipad for eternity. i love the game SOOOOO much.

    the people who complain about three frikin effing dollars need to go and die or something. you guys are total cheapskates and entitlement freaks who think that everything in the appstore is going to come cheap or free. WELL TAKE A LOOK AROUND, LOSERS! the good things in life are never free. and those of you who are complaining about the content, extra features or the gameplay, shut up as well. the devs took the liberty of making a FREE flash version of the EXACT same gameplay! you knew what the game was and how it played before you even had to purchase it! PLUS, the app description TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE APP! so stop complaining achievements this extra features that. SHUT UP!

    geez! i had a horrible 10 minutes reading through this conversation of idiotic entitlementers (thats my name for the people who want everything cheap or free). so one more time. SHUT UP AND GET A LIFE!

    • Chipotle Fan

      Woah there... Sounds like some needs to relax with 3 soft flour tortilla tacos filled with his/her choice of meat. Be it braised carnitas, barbacoa, adobo-marinated and grilled chicken, or steak...all are sure to satisfy. But it doesn't stop there. You can choose to add salsa, cheese or sour cream, and romaine lettuce. Chipotle's menu may not be long, but it's definetly Long on options.

      • Starmonkey101

        Okay. U are pushing it with the chipotle thing.

      • Chipotle Fan

        Hey, if you and your family were even half as indebted to the Chipotle franchise as I am, you'd be singing a different tune. So don't pass judgment.

  • Wazzazza

    Funny how Josh says has tons of money to burn on apps, yet he is waiting for the price to drop. He is also complaining about a game he didn't even purchase. I bet he is actually a 13 year old boy who installed in$tall0us on his iPod and masturbates to porn every night.

    • Ian Marsh

      Best website ever.

  • Wazzazza

    Funny how Josh says has tons of money to burn on apps, yet he is waiting for the price to drop. He is also complaining about a game he didn't even purchase. I bet he is actually a 13 year old boy who installed in$tall0us on his iPod and masturbates to porn every night.

    • Ian Marsh

      Best website ever.

  • amroc

    I'm really loving this game, the gameplay has lots of subtelty and depth to it, it's just really fun. Compared to say, Canabalt, which I thought was dull gameplay wise (although it did have loads of style & character).

    Solipskier is worth the price purely cos it's so good. It doesn't matter that other games might try and offer more content at less price, most of them aren't as good.

    I have to agree too that the touch screen control feels just perfect, nicer than the mouse. This is a *big* plus for me, not enough games are designed to fit the touch screen.

    Awesome game Greg, wish you the best of success with it.

  • amroc

    I'm really loving this game, the gameplay has lots of subtelty and depth to it, it's just really fun. Compared to say, Canabalt, which I thought was dull gameplay wise (although it did have loads of style & character).

    Solipskier is worth the price purely cos it's so good. It doesn't matter that other games might try and offer more content at less price, most of them aren't as good.

    I have to agree too that the touch screen control feels just perfect, nicer than the mouse. This is a *big* plus for me, not enough games are designed to fit the touch screen.

    Awesome game Greg, wish you the best of success with it.

  • Acidbottle

    this looks rubbish, sorry!

    • starmonkey101

      what does the game or my rant? lol.

      it is your choice if you want to buy the game or not... if it interests you or not. I have no control over that nor do I get upset if one person vs another person does/does not like a game... but at least you werent complaining about prices ;)

  • Acidbottle

    this looks rubbish, sorry!

    • starmonkey101

      what does the game or my rant? lol.

      it is your choice if you want to buy the game or not... if it interests you or not. I have no control over that nor do I get upset if one person vs another person does/does not like a game... but at least you werent complaining about prices ;)

  • Alex.B

    Bottom line! If you want it buy it and if you don't want it don't buy it.

  • Alex.B

    Bottom line! If you want it buy it and if you don't want it don't buy it.

  • http://www.fx4boutique.com BikiniBabe

    This game looks great and its a very original concept.

  • http://www.fx4boutique.com BikiniBabe

    This game looks great and its a very original concept.

  • goldbuick

    Really, Arn needs to hand out bans to people who complain about prices. It's obvious these people don't give a damn about the devs. They don't listen and will just continue to pollute and repeat themselves over and over again.

  • goldbuick

    Really, Arn needs to hand out bans to people who complain about prices. It's obvious these people don't give a damn about the devs. They don't listen and will just continue to pollute and repeat themselves over and over again.

  • Totoro

    Whether this game is worth the money or not, I've most definately received at least 2.99 worth of enjoyment from it. (I feel the same way about Canabalt.) Just an opinion. :)

    • Totoro

      I also agree with those users who believe that Agon would have been a better choice of online integration for this game. Openfeint just seems a tad cluttered to me. Again, just an opinion. ;)

  • Totoro

    Whether this game is worth the money or not, I've most definately received at least 2.99 worth of enjoyment from it. (I feel the same way about Canabalt.) Just an opinion. :)

    • Totoro

      I also agree with those users who believe that Agon would have been a better choice of online integration for this game. Openfeint just seems a tad cluttered to me. Again, just an opinion. ;)

  • Jacob James81

    is there a piano score written for the piano part?
    if so please send link to jacob.james81@yahoo.com will track down if you send anything other than the link.