In the wake of Apple's keynote today unveiling the iPad, we rounded up Dave Castelnuovo and Allan Dye from Bolt Creative, Anders Mårtensson from Illusion Labs, Natalia Luckyanova and Keith Shephard from Imangi Studios and Bruce Morrison from Freeverse to hear what four successful iPhone development studios thought about the new device.

The reception amongst this group of developers was remarkably positive, and everyone had ideas for new projects exclusively for the iPad, as well as refining or enhancing existing games to take advantage of the additional screen real estate and processing power of the device. We also discuss the niche that the iPad will likely fill, and what kind of usage patterns we expect the device to see once it is available for purchase.

Music lovingly lifted from the Steve Jobs YTMND.

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  • Miffy

    I don't understand why you guys are going to buy one when you already have better hardware. I mean the comment about your laptop being a pain to open... yes all of 2 seconds that takes. This is like an Ipod I can't fit in my pocket and a Laptop that can't do half the things a laptop can do. Browsing the internet is harder on a touch screen as well. On a laptop I can easily use the mouse pad and type really fast. On a touch screen you have to manually pull up the keyboard and because you don't get that keyboard feedback it is much harder to type. So that also means why would you want to use to for business or typing work up when a keyboard is that much faster?

    I just don't see the point in it. I've already got my Iphone which does everything this does and doubles up as a phone and I can fit in my pocket. The Ipad just feels like a pointless devise, especially if they increase the screen size of the next Iphone instead of having that giant boarder.

    Another thing is it doesn't support flash so internet browsing is worse than a laptop. Also you can't download anything off the internet because Apple restrict everything so you can't use basic widely accepted codecs. I have so much software I can't use on my Iphone unless I get something that turns it into MP3 or MP4 which is annoying. Just let me play Divx and FLAC etc etc.

    I know no one I know will buy it but everyone I know says the Iphone is a load of shit. I just hope the public doesn't eat it up because it is just a gimmick. It isn't even very powerful so it wont play any modern PC games, you'll have to wait for the lackluster ports.

    • Eli Hodapp

      For what it's worth, I've been browsing the internet with plugins that block flash with nothing more than YouTube and a small handful of video hosts whitelisted since... Well, since shortly after the first Firefox plugin that blocked flash was released.

      Now that most of them are switching over to the HTML5 video tag, I have absolutely no reason to even have the plugin installed at all. I know your post is likely just a complete troll, but I really can't help but wonder: If you think the iPhone is a "load of shit", why in the world would you waste your time listening to a podcast from an iPhone gaming site?

      • cranker

        Yes, why ?

      • Brock

        So when anything is criticized these days it is instantly a troll?
        Obviously his intention was not to be a troll. The person appears to own an Apple product so it doesn't seem as if he is the garden variety iBasher. About the HTML 5 thing... I am assuming that you have never been to Newgrounds. Newgrounds is exactly why I wish the iPod Touch's browser had Flash. Just because you feel as if you "have" to protect any product that is pumped out of Apple's factories, it doesn't mean that what you say makes his opinion (his, not a troll's) invalid or worth less.
        The only problem that I see with the iPad (I wish it had a different name as well!) is that it doesn't have a considerable niche in the market.
        Now that I think about it... I think I'll quote (somewhat) an articles reasons why it is no good.
        1. Size of the bezel
        2. No multitasking (Thats a big one. If this thing is jailbroken you should be fine. Haha)
        3. Lack of a camera
        4. Touch keyboard (Not that bad)
        5. No HDMI (Probably because they don't want to phase out the Apple TV)
        6. iPad (Apparently Maxi-Pad jokes will become popular)
        7. No flash (Already explained)
        8. Adapters for everything?
        9. 4:3 and not 16:9 (Sorry movie watchers)
        10. Linked to ATT
        11. App Store only. Although it will have specific apps made for it.
        Ok. I am done here. I have written too much.

      • Gipsy Ork

        @Brock,

        while I agree with some of your sentiments still don;t see the ATT part as reasoning. this Damn thing is unlocked meaning you can pop in a tmobile, vodafone, whatever SIM in it. How is it linked to ATT? Cause Apple presented the ATT prices?

      • Septimus

        Re-read it. He didn't say 'he' thought the iPhone was a load of shit. He isn't trolling, it's just not a very well put together post.

    • iamPro

      On a somewhat related note, I've got a simple set of questions to everyone.

      Situation:

      You're tired and feeling lazy but also lucky enough to have a netbook, iPhone, laptop, desktop computer and an iPad all turned off standing side by side in your living room,

      Questions:

      1) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing web experience?
      (Pretend Flash do not exist)

      2) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing gaming experience?
      (Keep in mind, to many, playing zenbound is just as much fun as playing COD:MOW)

      3) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing eBook reading experience?

      4) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing personal management/scheduling experience? (calender, contacts, notes, etc.)

      5) Which would your mom pick up?

      6) What are the typical everyday activities you do on any computer and/or smartphone?

  • Miffy

    I don't understand why you guys are going to buy one when you already have better hardware. I mean the comment about your laptop being a pain to open... yes all of 2 seconds that takes. This is like an Ipod I can't fit in my pocket and a Laptop that can't do half the things a laptop can do. Browsing the internet is harder on a touch screen as well. On a laptop I can easily use the mouse pad and type really fast. On a touch screen you have to manually pull up the keyboard and because you don't get that keyboard feedback it is much harder to type. So that also means why would you want to use to for business or typing work up when a keyboard is that much faster?

    I just don't see the point in it. I've already got my Iphone which does everything this does and doubles up as a phone and I can fit in my pocket. The Ipad just feels like a pointless devise, especially if they increase the screen size of the next Iphone instead of having that giant boarder.

    Another thing is it doesn't support flash so internet browsing is worse than a laptop. Also you can't download anything off the internet because Apple restrict everything so you can't use basic widely accepted codecs. I have so much software I can't use on my Iphone unless I get something that turns it into MP3 or MP4 which is annoying. Just let me play Divx and FLAC etc etc.

    I know no one I know will buy it but everyone I know says the Iphone is a load of shit. I just hope the public doesn't eat it up because it is just a gimmick. It isn't even very powerful so it wont play any modern PC games, you'll have to wait for the lackluster ports.

    • Eli Hodapp

      For what it's worth, I've been browsing the internet with plugins that block flash with nothing more than YouTube and a small handful of video hosts whitelisted since... Well, since shortly after the first Firefox plugin that blocked flash was released.

      Now that most of them are switching over to the HTML5 video tag, I have absolutely no reason to even have the plugin installed at all. I know your post is likely just a complete troll, but I really can't help but wonder: If you think the iPhone is a "load of shit", why in the world would you waste your time listening to a podcast from an iPhone gaming site?

      • cranker

        Yes, why ?

      • Brock

        So when anything is criticized these days it is instantly a troll?
        Obviously his intention was not to be a troll. The person appears to own an Apple product so it doesn't seem as if he is the garden variety iBasher. About the HTML 5 thing... I am assuming that you have never been to Newgrounds. Newgrounds is exactly why I wish the iPod Touch's browser had Flash. Just because you feel as if you "have" to protect any product that is pumped out of Apple's factories, it doesn't mean that what you say makes his opinion (his, not a troll's) invalid or worth less.
        The only problem that I see with the iPad (I wish it had a different name as well!) is that it doesn't have a considerable niche in the market.
        Now that I think about it... I think I'll quote (somewhat) an articles reasons why it is no good.
        1. Size of the bezel
        2. No multitasking (Thats a big one. If this thing is jailbroken you should be fine. Haha)
        3. Lack of a camera
        4. Touch keyboard (Not that bad)
        5. No HDMI (Probably because they don't want to phase out the Apple TV)
        6. iPad (Apparently Maxi-Pad jokes will become popular)
        7. No flash (Already explained)
        8. Adapters for everything?
        9. 4:3 and not 16:9 (Sorry movie watchers)
        10. Linked to ATT
        11. App Store only. Although it will have specific apps made for it.
        Ok. I am done here. I have written too much.

      • Gipsy Ork

        @Brock,

        while I agree with some of your sentiments still don;t see the ATT part as reasoning. this Damn thing is unlocked meaning you can pop in a tmobile, vodafone, whatever SIM in it. How is it linked to ATT? Cause Apple presented the ATT prices?

      • Septimus

        Re-read it. He didn't say 'he' thought the iPhone was a load of shit. He isn't trolling, it's just not a very well put together post.

    • iamPro

      On a somewhat related note, I've got a simple set of questions to everyone.

      Situation:

      You're tired and feeling lazy but also lucky enough to have a netbook, iPhone, laptop, desktop computer and an iPad all turned off standing side by side in your living room,

      Questions:

      1) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing web experience?
      (Pretend Flash do not exist)

      2) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing gaming experience?
      (Keep in mind, to many, playing zenbound is just as much fun as playing COD:MOW)

      3) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing eBook reading experience?

      4) Which would provide the fastest, easiest, hassle-free and appealing personal management/scheduling experience? (calender, contacts, notes, etc.)

      5) Which would your mom pick up?

      6) What are the typical everyday activities you do on any computer and/or smartphone?

  • OhSoleMio

    I really really want to get one but alas I will not. I do web design for flash sites. It would be an instant purchase if it supported flash sites so I'd have something slick to show the clients their site at thier place of business.

    Another barrier is that it doesn't multitask.

    Doesn't run programs like flash, Photoshop (even a slightly scaleddown version capable of editing Raw files would be cool.), etc. Guess I'll stick with my netbook pc. Can't justfy this purchase.

    But I can wish for the future.

  • OhSoleMio

    I really really want to get one but alas I will not. I do web design for flash sites. It would be an instant purchase if it supported flash sites so I'd have something slick to show the clients their site at thier place of business.

    Another barrier is that it doesn't multitask.

    Doesn't run programs like flash, Photoshop (even a slightly scaleddown version capable of editing Raw files would be cool.), etc. Guess I'll stick with my netbook pc. Can't justfy this purchase.

    But I can wish for the future.

  • http://illusionlabs.com Anders

    If I sound half asleep in the podcast, it's probably because I was half asleep ;) It was recorded in the middle of the night, my time.

    • http://www.blakespot.com Blake Patterson

      And if I sound horribly sick and raspy on the show, well, it's because I am.

      • http://www.illusionlabs.com Anders

        And yet you went to work?

  • http://illusionlabs.com Anders

    If I sound half asleep in the podcast, it's probably because I was half asleep ;) It was recorded in the middle of the night, my time.

    • http://www.blakespot.com Blake Patterson

      And if I sound horribly sick and raspy on the show, well, it's because I am.

      • http://www.illusionlabs.com Anders

        And yet you went to work?

  • akira01

    @Brock:

    1. Size of the bezel
    There is no real problem with the size.

    2. No multitasking
    OK it's missing, but this is Iphone OS 3.2 behind, wait for the 4.

    3. Lack of a camera
    OK it's a big point for me too.

    4. Touch keyboard (Not that bad)
    Not that bad as you say. And there is a cute dock.

    5. No HDMI (Probably because they don't want to phase out the Apple TV)
    Not really a problem. this is an Ipad, not an Iblueray.

    6. iPad (Apparently Maxi-Pad jokes will become popular)
    Mmmm !! REALLY a problem ? come on !!

    7. No flash (Already explained)
    This is a problem but not a BIG problem

    8. Adapters for everything?
    This isn't a traditional computer. So the adapters are bonus.

    9. 4:3 and not 16:9 (Sorry movie watchers)
    You can watch movies in 16:9 and 4:3 is far better for read books.

    10. Linked to ATT
    No, the device is desimlock, ATT is juste the first to propose something. That's all...

    11. App Store only. Although it will have specific apps made for it.
    It's better for the mass market. All is centralized in one place.

  • akira01

    @Brock:

    1. Size of the bezel
    There is no real problem with the size.

    2. No multitasking
    OK it's missing, but this is Iphone OS 3.2 behind, wait for the 4.

    3. Lack of a camera
    OK it's a big point for me too.

    4. Touch keyboard (Not that bad)
    Not that bad as you say. And there is a cute dock.

    5. No HDMI (Probably because they don't want to phase out the Apple TV)
    Not really a problem. this is an Ipad, not an Iblueray.

    6. iPad (Apparently Maxi-Pad jokes will become popular)
    Mmmm !! REALLY a problem ? come on !!

    7. No flash (Already explained)
    This is a problem but not a BIG problem

    8. Adapters for everything?
    This isn't a traditional computer. So the adapters are bonus.

    9. 4:3 and not 16:9 (Sorry movie watchers)
    You can watch movies in 16:9 and 4:3 is far better for read books.

    10. Linked to ATT
    No, the device is desimlock, ATT is juste the first to propose something. That's all...

    11. App Store only. Although it will have specific apps made for it.
    It's better for the mass market. All is centralized in one place.

  • Gekkota

    I am totally looking forward to the iPad, and I am excited to see what kinds of games and apps will be developed for it. I just don't understand some of the nitpicky criticisms in this forum.
    Size of the bezel?? Puh-leeze!

    The price is reasonable; there's no mandatory contract for a data plan--it's prepaid if you want it for as long as you want it (and cheap, too!)
    I think it will become obvious that there IS a niche market for it--> people who want to play games, browse the internet, read books, and watch videos. On a screen that doesn't require squinting.

    I think the REAL issue is that a lot of forum members are afraid that developers will choose to focus on the iPad, and that those who still have the "old" devices will be left behind. There will be a huge market for the iPad--maybe not among TA members per se, but among the general public.

    • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

      "I think the REAL issue is that a lot of forum members are afraid that developers will choose to focus on the iPad, and that those who still have the "old" devices will be left behind. "

      I am all for it now, i have a 3 year old Ipod Touch 1st gen with dead pixels that is starting to be unsupported...i plan to upgrade to the ipad without data, cause AT&T just doesn't exist within a 15 mile radius of where i live

      it will be nice to have a fast, new device..so i could play grand theft auto, and newer games.....also to read books, I wish the major magazine companies would create a native app so i can subscribe to monthly magazines

  • Gekkota

    I am totally looking forward to the iPad, and I am excited to see what kinds of games and apps will be developed for it. I just don't understand some of the nitpicky criticisms in this forum.
    Size of the bezel?? Puh-leeze!

    The price is reasonable; there's no mandatory contract for a data plan--it's prepaid if you want it for as long as you want it (and cheap, too!)
    I think it will become obvious that there IS a niche market for it--> people who want to play games, browse the internet, read books, and watch videos. On a screen that doesn't require squinting.

    I think the REAL issue is that a lot of forum members are afraid that developers will choose to focus on the iPad, and that those who still have the "old" devices will be left behind. There will be a huge market for the iPad--maybe not among TA members per se, but among the general public.

    • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

      "I think the REAL issue is that a lot of forum members are afraid that developers will choose to focus on the iPad, and that those who still have the "old" devices will be left behind. "

      I am all for it now, i have a 3 year old Ipod Touch 1st gen with dead pixels that is starting to be unsupported...i plan to upgrade to the ipad without data, cause AT&T just doesn't exist within a 15 mile radius of where i live

      it will be nice to have a fast, new device..so i could play grand theft auto, and newer games.....also to read books, I wish the major magazine companies would create a native app so i can subscribe to monthly magazines

  • http://www.mindfiresolutions.com/iphone-development.htm Eliza sahoo

    Great going apple ipad.You are the innovation of the century.Apple's ipad is the best way to experience the web, email, photos and videos.It is a multi touch screen.Apple ipad is compatible with almost all of the existing apps , they offer a huge initial library of content to get owners started on. The large, high-resolution screen makes iPad perfect for watching any kind of video: from HD movies and TV shows, to podcasts and music videos.With the iPod app, all your music is literally at your fingertips. You can browse by album, song, artist, or genre, with a simple flick. To play a song, just tap it, and the now playing screen will show the album art at full size
    The iBooks app is a great, new way to read and buy books.1 Just download the app for free from the App Store, and you’ll be able to buy everything from classics to bestsellers from the built-in iBookstore.The Home Screen gives you one-tap access to everything on iPad. You can also customize your Home Screen by adding your favorite apps and websites, or using your own photos for the background. And you can move apps around to arrange them in any order you want.Spotlight Search allows you to search across iPad, and all of its built-in apps.

    • Septimus

      Wow, an Apple employee on this site. Exciting.

  • http://www.mindfiresolutions.com/iphone-development.htm Eliza sahoo

    Great going apple ipad.You are the innovation of the century.Apple's ipad is the best way to experience the web, email, photos and videos.It is a multi touch screen.Apple ipad is compatible with almost all of the existing apps , they offer a huge initial library of content to get owners started on. The large, high-resolution screen makes iPad perfect for watching any kind of video: from HD movies and TV shows, to podcasts and music videos.With the iPod app, all your music is literally at your fingertips. You can browse by album, song, artist, or genre, with a simple flick. To play a song, just tap it, and the now playing screen will show the album art at full size
    The iBooks app is a great, new way to read and buy books.1 Just download the app for free from the App Store, and you’ll be able to buy everything from classics to bestsellers from the built-in iBookstore.The Home Screen gives you one-tap access to everything on iPad. You can also customize your Home Screen by adding your favorite apps and websites, or using your own photos for the background. And you can move apps around to arrange them in any order you want.Spotlight Search allows you to search across iPad, and all of its built-in apps.

    • Septimus

      Wow, an Apple employee on this site. Exciting.

  • MrMuesli

    Listening to the podcast there was a lot of talk about the iPad being great for those non computer savvy people out there, but surely if you're buying an iPad, then you already own a computer with which to sync it to? Which would make you a computer savvy person...

    • johndoe

      Except your computer is a Mac.

  • MrMuesli

    Listening to the podcast there was a lot of talk about the iPad being great for those non computer savvy people out there, but surely if you're buying an iPad, then you already own a computer with which to sync it to? Which would make you a computer savvy person...

    • johndoe

      Except your computer is a Mac.

  • MicroD0t

    Slaves to the machine... lol.. I'll stick with my iphone... this device is a large ipod.. Yes, I'm sure dev's will love the full screen advantage of it, and maybe people who have never invested in a computer/didn't want one would be interested in this... But, that said.. I have a notebook & netbook, gaming pc, consoles, and an iphone.. I have to question myself.. Do I really need this?? Answer is simple... no. Would I if it were less expensive... no

    One point I have seen nobody bring up:

    If I game on the iphone, after an hour or so, the device becomes uncomfortable, how in the world is a bigger device solve this.. They really need to release a "controller" for this.. Dev's already are unimpressed with on screen controls.. how in the world will you ever hold this device and use your thumbs for more than a few minutes without hurting your fingers?

    Don't just fall in love with the thing, because apple brought it out.. I fully support them, but this is just a cash cow... let it run a full install of OSX, and I'll pick one up, right away..

  • http://TouchA MicroD0t

    Slaves to the machine... lol.. I'll stick with my iphone... this device is a large ipod.. Yes, I'm sure dev's will love the full screen advantage of it, and maybe people who have never invested in a computer/didn't want one would be interested in this... But, that said.. I have a notebook & netbook, gaming pc, consoles, and an iphone.. I have to question myself.. Do I really need this?? Answer is simple... no. Would I if it were less expensive... no

    One point I have seen nobody bring up:

    If I game on the iphone, after an hour or so, the device becomes uncomfortable, how in the world is a bigger device solve this.. They really need to release a "controller" for this.. Dev's already are unimpressed with on screen controls.. how in the world will you ever hold this device and use your thumbs for more than a few minutes without hurting your fingers?

    Don't just fall in love with the thing, because apple brought it out.. I fully support them, but this is just a cash cow... let it run a full install of OSX, and I'll pick one up, right away..

  • Ballpeen

    I anxiously await to see what the hackers/jailbreakers will do with this thing!!

    =:D

  • Ballpeen

    I anxiously await to see what the hackers/jailbreakers will do with this thing!!

    =:D

  • Bosconian

    Personally I have no interest in the iPad. Too many great netbook and notebook choices for low prices for the iPad to be attractive to me.

    Anyone know when Apple will probably announce the next iPod Touch?

    • Maikelg

      can't say for sure, but usually september is the month for big iPod/iTunes announcements. I'm also waiting forthe next gen iPod (hopefully with camera and gps)

  • Bosconian

    Personally I have no interest in the iPad. Too many great netbook and notebook choices for low prices for the iPad to be attractive to me.

    Anyone know when Apple will probably announce the next iPod Touch?

    • Maikelg

      can't say for sure, but usually september is the month for big iPod/iTunes announcements. I'm also waiting forthe next gen iPod (hopefully with camera and gps)

  • Maikelg

    It would be totally awesome if I could use the tablet as a drawing tablet to make/edit my drawings. It would also have been handy if there was some usb ports for printers and/or scanners since this is supposed to be something inbetween the MacBook and and iPod I don't think that would have been too farfetched. Some people like to print out their spreadsheets..

    • VeganTnT

      You WILL be able to draw and edit photos on the iPad.

      Brushes is a great drawing tool and has been used by countless artists on the iphone. An iPad version was even shown at the event.

      For photo editing I use Photogene. Even if they don't create an iPad version it currently imports pictures regardless of resolution and you can even save at the original resolution.

      • Maikelg

        No, what I mean is that I need a serious program like photoshop to edit my drawings since I work as a proffessional illustrator. So If I could connect the iPad to a scanner, scan my drawings and then use the iPad like a Wacom tablet that would be really nice. But then an USB port is a must for me. Also where would I save my Drawings? The iPad, iPod touch and iPhone REALLY need a way to save things somewhere. A Save system like the PSP, or even something online would be perfect

  • Maikelg

    It would be totally awesome if I could use the tablet as a drawing tablet to make/edit my drawings. It would also have been handy if there was some usb ports for printers and/or scanners since this is supposed to be something inbetween the MacBook and and iPod I don't think that would have been too farfetched. Some people like to print out their spreadsheets..

    • VeganTnT

      You WILL be able to draw and edit photos on the iPad.

      Brushes is a great drawing tool and has been used by countless artists on the iphone. An iPad version was even shown at the event.

      For photo editing I use Photogene. Even if they don't create an iPad version it currently imports pictures regardless of resolution and you can even save at the original resolution.

      • Maikelg

        No, what I mean is that I need a serious program like photoshop to edit my drawings since I work as a proffessional illustrator. So If I could connect the iPad to a scanner, scan my drawings and then use the iPad like a Wacom tablet that would be really nice. But then an USB port is a must for me. Also where would I save my Drawings? The iPad, iPod touch and iPhone REALLY need a way to save things somewhere. A Save system like the PSP, or even something online would be perfect

  • Maikelg

    Also today at work I told everybody my iPod was really an iPad nano :-P

  • Maikelg

    Also today at work I told everybody my iPod was really an iPad nano :-P

  • jeffyg3

    After viewing the Microsoft Courier tablet that is comming out, this device is pretty low in anticipation in future tablet devices. I'm always interested in Apple because they always come out with new ways of doing things in their new creations, and in that regard I'm very disappointed with the iPad...nothing new, seems just like a big iPod Touch...and in the end, I'm coming out surprised with Microsoft's vision of what tablets will be used for, which I'm not used to being an Apple fan.

    Of coarse with developer support, Apple will have the upper hand since it already has a lot of apps and support for it's iPhone OS, as where the Microsoft Courier is starting out fresh with it's new OS for the system.

    I'm even more excited about the new Leveno tablet coming out that will allow it to be used as a tablet and a laptop, and that is a full fledged PC device with usb ports, faster processor, more storage space, and such.

    I really don't see much use in spending $700 for a 64gb of just something I basically already have in a smaller size but with phone, camera, and microphone built in.

  • jeffyg3

    After viewing the Microsoft Courier tablet that is comming out, this device is pretty low in anticipation in future tablet devices. I'm always interested in Apple because they always come out with new ways of doing things in their new creations, and in that regard I'm very disappointed with the iPad...nothing new, seems just like a big iPod Touch...and in the end, I'm coming out surprised with Microsoft's vision of what tablets will be used for, which I'm not used to being an Apple fan.

    Of coarse with developer support, Apple will have the upper hand since it already has a lot of apps and support for it's iPhone OS, as where the Microsoft Courier is starting out fresh with it's new OS for the system.

    I'm even more excited about the new Leveno tablet coming out that will allow it to be used as a tablet and a laptop, and that is a full fledged PC device with usb ports, faster processor, more storage space, and such.

    I really don't see much use in spending $700 for a 64gb of just something I basically already have in a smaller size but with phone, camera, and microphone built in.

  • Tom Smolnensonson

    >> Too many great netbook and notebook choices for low prices for the iPad to be attractive to me.

    Really? Where?

    Do you *OWN* one, which is to say have you spent actual money on one? Please let me know the brand and specs. I'm curious. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I actually would like to know. Because I went shopping for them here in the states and in Europe last year (I went backpacking in Eastern Europe for several months and wanted something lighter and cheaper than my MacBook, and frankly something I could care less about if it got stolen or broken) and what I universally found was that any decent machine started at $400. And by decent, I mean barely useful. Barely enough RAM. Barely serviceable CPU. Cramped and cheap keyboard. Everybody talks about the convenience of netbooks, but who is buying them?

    A lot of people like to remark on these things in the abstract, but I suspect that most people when presented with an actual iPad *IN THEIR HANDS* and an actual netbook *IN THEIR HANDS*, both for around $499, the overwhelming majority will choose the iPad, Internet opinion notwithstanding.

  • Tom Smolnensonson

    >> Too many great netbook and notebook choices for low prices for the iPad to be attractive to me.

    Really? Where?

    Do you *OWN* one, which is to say have you spent actual money on one? Please let me know the brand and specs. I'm curious. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I actually would like to know. Because I went shopping for them here in the states and in Europe last year (I went backpacking in Eastern Europe for several months and wanted something lighter and cheaper than my MacBook, and frankly something I could care less about if it got stolen or broken) and what I universally found was that any decent machine started at $400. And by decent, I mean barely useful. Barely enough RAM. Barely serviceable CPU. Cramped and cheap keyboard. Everybody talks about the convenience of netbooks, but who is buying them?

    A lot of people like to remark on these things in the abstract, but I suspect that most people when presented with an actual iPad *IN THEIR HANDS* and an actual netbook *IN THEIR HANDS*, both for around $499, the overwhelming majority will choose the iPad, Internet opinion notwithstanding.

  • Tom Smolnensonson

    BTW, the podcast was very good. As a developer, I really like hearing a nuts-and-bolts take on this device. Some good stuff. And this iPad paradigm has crazy, crazy potential for gaming.

    Honestly, it will be interesting to see what Nintendo releases in response to this device with their DS2. It sure as hell had better be more compelling than the DSi or DS XL. Because I'm a Nintendo DS fan and hardcore gamer, and even I have no intention of buying either one of those devices.

    • Maikelg

      I really don't see the iPod becoming a great gaming device. It's too big to bring with you everyday and it doesn't compare with home consoles. It's just going to be awkward since your fingers can't quite reach the buttons on screen not to mention turning a big device like this.

      • Maikelg

        iPad i meant of course ;-)

  • Tom Smolnensonson

    BTW, the podcast was very good. As a developer, I really like hearing a nuts-and-bolts take on this device. Some good stuff. And this iPad paradigm has crazy, crazy potential for gaming.

    Honestly, it will be interesting to see what Nintendo releases in response to this device with their DS2. It sure as hell had better be more compelling than the DSi or DS XL. Because I'm a Nintendo DS fan and hardcore gamer, and even I have no intention of buying either one of those devices.

    • Maikelg

      I really don't see the iPod becoming a great gaming device. It's too big to bring with you everyday and it doesn't compare with home consoles. It's just going to be awkward since your fingers can't quite reach the buttons on screen not to mention turning a big device like this.

      • Maikelg

        iPad i meant of course ;-)

  • Miffy

    I don't see the point of developers making Ipad games first when the market isn't there yet. I reckon they'll all stick with the Iphone and with the 4G Iphone coming out then people will hopefully forget about the Ipad.

    My worry now is Apple will restrict what the Iphone 4G can do so the Ipad looks good. I mean obviously now it can't have a 1Ghrz processor or graphics as good as the Ipad because then why even bother owning one. I can't see them making the screen bigger on the new Iphone cause that is the Ipads gimmick.

    Lets just hope the 4G has a camera flash at least because that is what will make or break the sale for me. I'm fed up of not being able to take pictures with my camera at night. I always out getting pissed at pubs and clubs with my friends. They all have flashes on their mobiles and I'm fed up of not being able to take photos with them.

    So if theres no flash on the 4G then I'm switching to another brand.

    • Eli Hodapp

      If you're talking about the browser plugin, there won't be flash on the 4th generation iPhone. It's safe to switch now if that's what you're waiting for. Camera flash? I guess we'll see.

  • Miffy

    I don't see the point of developers making Ipad games first when the market isn't there yet. I reckon they'll all stick with the Iphone and with the 4G Iphone coming out then people will hopefully forget about the Ipad.

    My worry now is Apple will restrict what the Iphone 4G can do so the Ipad looks good. I mean obviously now it can't have a 1Ghrz processor or graphics as good as the Ipad because then why even bother owning one. I can't see them making the screen bigger on the new Iphone cause that is the Ipads gimmick.

    Lets just hope the 4G has a camera flash at least because that is what will make or break the sale for me. I'm fed up of not being able to take pictures with my camera at night. I always out getting pissed at pubs and clubs with my friends. They all have flashes on their mobiles and I'm fed up of not being able to take photos with them.

    So if theres no flash on the 4G then I'm switching to another brand.

    • Eli Hodapp

      If you're talking about the browser plugin, there won't be flash on the 4th generation iPhone. It's safe to switch now if that's what you're waiting for. Camera flash? I guess we'll see.

  • Rachel

    I really don't want this new piece of crap to compromise what games/apps I can get for my iPod touch. If developers leave the iPod touch/iphone for the ipad, I'm done with apple.

    • http://www.illusionlabs.com Anders

      Not really going to happen the next years. The user base of iPads is 0 right now, and millions and millions (and even more millions) of people have iPods and iPhones. I think most devs will continue to have the iPhone/iPod as the main platform and then make changes to it so it plays well on the iPad as well.

      • Rachel

        That makes sense. Thanks for calming me down.

    • Gekkota

      As I said before, much of the hostility in this forum toward the iPad seems to be due to the fear that games will be designed with the iPad in mind. For most people I think it has little to do with 1. the bezel; 2. the lack of a camera; 3. no Flash support...and on and on and on.

      People here just don't want to lose their source of cheap, cheap games, and the iPad--with its' different resolution and higher price tag--threatens that. But the new SDK makes it possible to design games with support for different resolutions, so it really shouldn't be that much of a threat to the people who can't afford/don't want an iPad.

      Just because the demographic of forum members doesn't match the "niche market" for the iPad doesn't mean that the niche market doesn't exist. It's just not 13-year-olds...

  • Rachel

    I really don't want this new piece of crap to compromise what games/apps I can get for my iPod touch. If developers leave the iPod touch/iphone for the ipad, I'm done with apple.

    • http://www.illusionlabs.com Anders

      Not really going to happen the next years. The user base of iPads is 0 right now, and millions and millions (and even more millions) of people have iPods and iPhones. I think most devs will continue to have the iPhone/iPod as the main platform and then make changes to it so it plays well on the iPad as well.

      • Rachel

        That makes sense. Thanks for calming me down.

    • Gekkota

      As I said before, much of the hostility in this forum toward the iPad seems to be due to the fear that games will be designed with the iPad in mind. For most people I think it has little to do with 1. the bezel; 2. the lack of a camera; 3. no Flash support...and on and on and on.

      People here just don't want to lose their source of cheap, cheap games, and the iPad--with its' different resolution and higher price tag--threatens that. But the new SDK makes it possible to design games with support for different resolutions, so it really shouldn't be that much of a threat to the people who can't afford/don't want an iPad.

      Just because the demographic of forum members doesn't match the "niche market" for the iPad doesn't mean that the niche market doesn't exist. It's just not 13-year-olds...

  • acer

    I would have been happy if they just made the Iphones with 5 or 6 inch screens. Do the Iphone like they do the computers 3.5 inches to 6 inch screens. It could still fit in your pocket.

  • acer

    I would have been happy if they just made the Iphones with 5 or 6 inch screens. Do the Iphone like they do the computers 3.5 inches to 6 inch screens. It could still fit in your pocket.

  • OhSoleMio

    I hot my netbook for around 300.00 asus eeepc.
    Added another gb of ram for 2gb. Running xp. No problems with Photoshop/illustrator/dreamweaver/etc.

    Compared to most notebook prices, netbook are about the same as the ipad.

    But when i already have an iPhone, why would I pay the same for something that does less than a netbook?

  • OhSoleMio

    I hot my netbook for around 300.00 asus eeepc.
    Added another gb of ram for 2gb. Running xp. No problems with Photoshop/illustrator/dreamweaver/etc.

    Compared to most notebook prices, netbook are about the same as the ipad.

    But when i already have an iPhone, why would I pay the same for something that does less than a netbook?

  • Chad

    I love all the posts screaming that the iPad doesn't have hardware feature X or software feature Y. Get over it folks. Apple just invented a new computing paradigm - the in home (but still mobile) multifunction media browsing appliance. No messy file systems and menus to get in the way, just touch, swipe, rotate, and go. Even if the iPad ver. 1 doesn't conquer all, this computing concept will eventually permeate our society.

    Could you imagine if Apple used OSX with handwriting recognition and a traditional file system? Sure 3% of the population would love it but those millions of iPhone lovers who still don't own a Mac just wouldn't get it. With the iPad, Apple has a new comfortable entree into their computing world.

    We are moving farther and farther away from a traditional OS experience and the iPad is simply the next progression. Witness the iPhone and the number of users (I'm thinking of you Dad) who use it as their main computing platform for email, web browsing, eBooks, gaming, music, etc. As hard as it is for some to admit, it is truly a revolutionary device. Problem is, it is freaking small! This is a positive when you are mobile but when I'm sitting around the house, I'd love something bigger - enter iPad.

    I foresee one on millions of nightstands, coffee tables and on the back of toilets all over the world.

  • Chad

    I love all the posts screaming that the iPad doesn't have hardware feature X or software feature Y. Get over it folks. Apple just invented a new computing paradigm - the in home (but still mobile) multifunction media browsing appliance. No messy file systems and menus to get in the way, just touch, swipe, rotate, and go. Even if the iPad ver. 1 doesn't conquer all, this computing concept will eventually permeate our society.

    Could you imagine if Apple used OSX with handwriting recognition and a traditional file system? Sure 3% of the population would love it but those millions of iPhone lovers who still don't own a Mac just wouldn't get it. With the iPad, Apple has a new comfortable entree into their computing world.

    We are moving farther and farther away from a traditional OS experience and the iPad is simply the next progression. Witness the iPhone and the number of users (I'm thinking of you Dad) who use it as their main computing platform for email, web browsing, eBooks, gaming, music, etc. As hard as it is for some to admit, it is truly a revolutionary device. Problem is, it is freaking small! This is a positive when you are mobile but when I'm sitting around the house, I'd love something bigger - enter iPad.

    I foresee one on millions of nightstands, coffee tables and on the back of toilets all over the world.

  • H.L. Cloud

    When it can do more than my iPhone I'll buy it. Otherwise, it's just glitter and tinsel.

  • H.L. Cloud

    When it can do more than my iPhone I'll buy it. Otherwise, it's just glitter and tinsel.

  • Irina

    I am an artist; artists are lazy. I always wanted to have something other than paper and pencil to sit on the couch, on Saturday, listen to music or TV and draw. Critique didn't work that great for me, since there was no keyboard, plus all the cables dragging across the room. Tablet PC didn't work for me either for the same reason - all commands through menu once keyboard is hidden. I was praying for someone to come up with a device that had 1. on screen keyboard; 2. touch screen, and 3. a pen-pressure-sensitive display. Well, iPad has 2 of 3. Nothing is perfect. Still planning to buy one to use as e-book reader.

    • Irina

      cintiq*

  • Irina

    I am an artist; artists are lazy. I always wanted to have something other than paper and pencil to sit on the couch, on Saturday, listen to music or TV and draw. Critique didn't work that great for me, since there was no keyboard, plus all the cables dragging across the room. Tablet PC didn't work for me either for the same reason - all commands through menu once keyboard is hidden. I was praying for someone to come up with a device that had 1. on screen keyboard; 2. touch screen, and 3. a pen-pressure-sensitive display. Well, iPad has 2 of 3. Nothing is perfect. Still planning to buy one to use as e-book reader.

    • Irina

      cintiq*

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  • http://www.cdkeyads.com/ Julee Germaine

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