122143-apple_media_event_500While there are a bunch of sites out there providing live coverage, here's what's happened so far at the Apple event that is relevant to iPhone gamers:

  • OS 3.1 is coming today, which will add genius functionality to the App Store. Genius for music can make some fairly intelligent suggestions on similar music to what you're listening to, so genius for apps should be able to hopefully provide some great game suggestions. Genius appears as its own tab in the App Store.
  • OS 3.1 will be free for iPhone owners and iPod Touch users who have already upgraded to 3.0
  • iPhone/iPod syncing has been greatly improved, not only with enhanced controls of what music and media syncs, but also what apps sync and what order they appear on your home screens.
  • iTunes 9 features complete app organization. Deleting apps from the device within iTunes is as simple as clicking a little black X in the corner, just like if you were deleting them from your iPhone
  • Entire pages of apps can be arranged right within iTunes, the whole system looks extremely useful and should come as a huge relief to those of you who have massive app libraries.
  • iTunes "home sharing" has been added. Home sharing allows you to share music, movies, TV shows, audiobooks and applications across your home network. Buy an app once and sync it across 5 different computers/iPhones.
  • All of these new iTunes features are coming today with iTunes 9.
  • There have been 22 million iPods sold to date and growing, the current iPod market share is 73.8%
  • Apple has sold 20 million iPod Touches and 30 million iPhones.

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  • "And people are starting to see what a great gaming device this is. When you think about the companies that came before us... when you played those other systems, they seemed so cool, but now when you look at them, they don't stack up against the iPod touch." -Phil Schiller
  • There are currently 21,178 entertainment titles for the iPhone versus the 607 available for the Sony PSP and 3,680 for the Nintendo DS.
  • Ben Mattes, Asassin's Creed producer discusses Assassin's Creed 2, said to offer visceral brutal hand to hand combat. Will be available this holiday season. The game even allows you to use the iPhone's camera to put your own photos on wated posters in the game.

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  • Bart Decrem from Tapulous discusses a new game called Riddim Ribbon, where you race down a track to music. It sounds a little like Audiosurf.

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  • Gameloft's Mark Hickey announced their upcoming FPS entitle Nova, which looks very Halo-Like. He also explains that of their 35 titles on the App Store, they've had almost 20 million downloads.

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  • And last of the new game announcements is Madden NFL 2010, which will be available today.

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  • Of course new iPods are coming today, iPod Touches are getting new prices and new capacities. 8GB at $199, 32GB at $299 and finally, 64GB at $399.
  • The new iPod Touch will also have OpenGL|ES version 2.0, presumably using the same graphics hardware of the iPhone 3GS.
  • The iPod Classic got bumped to 160GB, and the iPod Shuffle got a price drop to $59 for 2GB and $79 for 4GB.

One more thing...

  • Video cameras!
  • There is going to be a video camera built in to the back of every iPod Nano. No mention of the iPod Touch getting a video camera.

...And that's it!

  • Adams Immersive

    Gifting apps? Please? :)

  • Adams Immersive

    Gifting apps? Please? :)

  • Peter

    Yes !!! I can finally organize my apps the way I want :) Moving them around the phone to arrange was a reall pain. !!

    • sticktron

      AMEN to that!
      I've been too lazy to write an app for managing that, thanks Apple for finally putting in that necessary functionality.

    • beetle

      amen!! needed that feature badly

  • Bryan

    anywhere we can listen live or view video without having to refresh every 5 minutes lol

  • Peter

    Yes !!! I can finally organize my apps the way I want :) Moving them around the phone to arrange was a reall pain. !!

    • sticktron

      AMEN to that!
      I've been too lazy to write an app for managing that, thanks Apple for finally putting in that necessary functionality.

    • beetle

      amen!! needed that feature badly

  • Bryan

    anywhere we can listen live or view video without having to refresh every 5 minutes lol

  • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

    No word yet if deleting an app from the device still deletes all its data. My fingers are crossed...

  • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

    No word yet if deleting an app from the device still deletes all its data. My fingers are crossed...

  • spiffyone

    *sighs

    And now Apple is (foolishly) directly comparing a mobile platform to portable game systems. >_>

    Expect silly system wars to come on TA.

    • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

      Actually, I think the comparison is "general pocket computer" to "dedicated portable gaming console." These devices are having less and less to do with the "mobile" gaming market.

      • spiffyone

        Eh...even if "general pocket computer" applies it would still fall squarely in the mobile platform market (PocketPC platforms also fell within that market, btw). Apple is more directly competing against the Androids and Windows Mobiles (iiirc, ZuneHD runs on it) of the world than the PSPs and Ds' of the world. A bit like how Wii, 360 and PS3 aren't competing directly against the PC market.

        It's still a mobile platform, btw, so the games on it are still squarely in the mobile gaming market. The consumer base is different as wel in many ways.

      • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

        spiffyone, my point is that the word "mobile" becoming less and less meaningful in this marketplace. Is the UMD-less PSP Go a mobile device? Sony is even touting the presence of Fieldrunner and Minigore in their downloadable app selection. so it's pretty clear that they see the iPod Touch as competition. (And frankly, I don't think Apple sees WM or Android as real competitors in this arena. We'll see what happens with the Zune HD.) In any event, as you can now see in the new revenue-based Top Apps list, the consumer base is also changing. You can say whatever you want about MC:S or Blades of Fury: they're are not aimed at the casual market, and they're doing very well.

      • Adams Immersive

        Consoles ARE competing against PCs: people will sometimes buy a console instead of upgrading their PC to handle better games.

        Likewise, if people who want mobile gaming will sometimes pass on the PSP and end up buying an iPod/iPhone (having it all in one device instead of hauling a sack of gadgets), then that IS competing. One product takes sales that another would like to have.

      • spiffyone

        No, the UMD less PSP is not a mobile device because it is still a PSP...a dedicated portable game system. That's a different market than mobile. Digital download only does not make Go, which is still just a PSP, a different type of product entirely. It's still a game system.

        PSPs are designed to run one type of software above all else, and cater to consumer primarily interested in that software. That software, of course, is games. iPhone/touch is NOT designed to run that one type of software above all else, is not primarily focused on game software, and is not primarily marketed toward game consumers. It is a mobile platform, a "do all" sort of device (as that is what the mobile market has become).

        Even if we look at the "top grossing apps" what do we see? A tpain music app, a TomTom GPS/Navigation app, AppBoxPro a utilities app, CameraGenius a photo app, etc. amongst the game apps. It's like the PC market, but in the palm of your hand, unlike the portable game market which mimics the video game home console market but in the palm of your hand. The former two are designed to run a variety of software, the latter two are designed to run one particular type of software (games) above all else. That's the difference, and the consumers too are different due to that differing product focus. Those in the market for a PC or mobile platform like iPhone/touch are not necessarily primarily interested in buying games, while those in the market for a video game home console or portable game device are, in fact, primarily interested in buying games. That's a HUGE difference.

      • spiffyone

        @Adams Interactive

        "Consoles are competing against PCs"

        Really? Really?

        Because when I want to edit some photos and videos, or work on spreadsheets, or upload a video to youtube, etc. I sure as hell don't power up the PS3, 360, or Wii.

        We can possibly state that the specific submarket of games within the overall PC market is in competition with the video game home consoles, but we cannot state that the PC market is in direct competition with video game home consoles because PCs are a market in which gamers only make up a percentage of the total userbase. With video game home consoles ALL consumers are gamers.

        Same deal with portable game systems (PSP, DS) compared to mobile platforms like iPhone/touch.

        It's quite simple to understand, but it seems to have flown over everyone's heads here.

      • Dark NRG

        I'm telling you now, I'm gettin a used PS3 Phat while it still has hypervisor to let me load up YellowDog since the PS3 Slim disables that option.

      • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

        spiffyone, I know that you like your categories neat and clean, and I admire how seriously you take this issue. I'm just saying it's not so simple anymore. A PSP Go running Fieldrunner is competing with an iPod Touch running Fieldrunner -- they're after the same consumers. Whether one is a dedicated device or not makes a difference -- it's just not as big as it used to be.

      • spiffyone

        This is what I'm getting at:

        They're not really after the same consumers as a whole.

        PSP is targeted SPECIFICALLY to game consumers.

        iPhone/touch is targeted to those interested in a "do all" product in a mobile styling. Gamers may be PART of that, may make up a sizable portion of that consumer base, but they aren't really the primary target. They're just PART of the total userbase, not ALL and that's completely different from the portable video game system market. That's a very sizable difference in the two markets.

        Again, Fieldrunners may be on both, but there's no photo, productivity, utility, etc. apps on PSP. There's no official ebook reader. There's no office document reader, etc. There's pretty much just games. Again, a sizable difference in the product, and the type of consumer that is attracted to it, and therefore the market.

      • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=1830 Liam (aka TGR)

        Spiffy, you've got to understand that some categories spill into each other. It's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. And it's the same for markets and consumers. An iPod Touch is quite clearly a competitor to the DS and PSP, I think only you could dispute that.

      • Adams Immersive

        Spiffyone--your objections may stem from reading "always" where I actually said "sometimes" :)

        As people say--categories overlap. And if you choose look at people who want ONLY gaming, and want to carry a device that does nothing else well, and don't mind bulk in the process, then that's a small niche. If you look at people who want multiple functions, greater portability, AND to who gaming is ALSO very important, then you're in that gray area you don't like. But it's huge. And so much fun!

      • spiffyone

        Answer these for PSP/DS and iPhone/touch respectively:

        Is there a primary focus of the product? If so, what is it? If not, why not? What type of consumer does this sort of product appeal to? What are they most interested in doing with this product? What was the reason for buying the product for the majority of the consumerbase of said product?

        Answer those questions and you'll see how I come to the distinction. It's not only I who point this out, btw.

        Yes, there may be SOME crossover, but SOME =/= ALL and "ALL" defines a market as a whole, not "SOME". All DS and PSP owners bought those devices to primarily play games on. Did all iPhone/touch owners buy those devices to play games primarily? No. Thus they are not in DIRECT competition with one another as products AS A WHOLE. They exist in different markets. One is bought solely to play games on, the other PERHAPS to play games on as an ADDITION to the rest of the stuff it does.

        I can't make it any clearer.

        There may have been ~40-50 million iPhone/touch devices sold, but not ALL of them are used PRIMARILY for gaming. That's the difference in this market vs. the portable game systems.

      • spiffyone

        @Adams Immersive

        I read your comment correctly, actually. Again, "some" or "sometimes" does not define a market as a whole. That's what I'm getting at.

        As a whole, this is a mobile market. As a whole, PSP and DS are in the portable game system market.

        Is there some overlap? Sure. But the fact remains that it is indirect competition at most. I'm not saying there is NO competition; I'm merely stating that as they exist in different markets the competition that exists is not DIRECT competition. That's a very clear distinction to make.

        As for the "small niche"...I'd say nearly 200 million PSPs and DSs sold altogether shows anything but a "small niche". And again I point out that not ALL iPhone/touch consumers use their devices PRIMARILY for gaming. ALL PSP and DS users do, however. Hence, different sort of market. Some overlap does not negate that.

      • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

        This is getting kind of silly-long at this point, though it's an interesting conversation (at least for us design/marketing types). I may start a thread on this later on. Before I bow out, I should note that the last number we have for PSP sales is 50 mil worldwide since 2004. You have to wonder how many of those are still active today (and how many are actually upgrades, rather than new units); we may be talking about a significantly smaller market that you suggest, spiffyone (DS is a different story).

      • GDSage

        How is the iphone competing with PSP and DS?

        They do not share the same retail market. 59p titles, no matter if they sell over a million, cannot compare to the multitude of titles on handhelds that sell multi-millions (many 5, 10 million and above) at 34.99.

        They do not share the same development practice / mindset. Many genres and styles are served best with actual tactile controls, and developers know this too well. The iphone will always be a step behind in many areas due to this lacking, as many games need enough intuitive controls and buttons to properly function.

        They do not share the same developers (with regards to focus and resources). The Japanese industry is completely focused on handhelds, and for a good reason considering handhelds are dominating its market, as well as the markets across the world. With Japan, they are not fond of digital distribution (DD in addition to online gaming isn't big in Japan, it's largely sniffed at), so Japanese support will be directed towards the medium-driven handhelds meaning the handhelds will always be steps ahead with regards to a large volume of medium and high-budget projects.

  • spiffyone

    *sighs

    And now Apple is (foolishly) directly comparing a mobile platform to portable game systems. >_>

    Expect silly system wars to come on TA.

    • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

      Actually, I think the comparison is "general pocket computer" to "dedicated portable gaming console." These devices are having less and less to do with the "mobile" gaming market.

      • spiffyone

        Eh...even if "general pocket computer" applies it would still fall squarely in the mobile platform market (PocketPC platforms also fell within that market, btw). Apple is more directly competing against the Androids and Windows Mobiles (iiirc, ZuneHD runs on it) of the world than the PSPs and Ds' of the world. A bit like how Wii, 360 and PS3 aren't competing directly against the PC market.

        It's still a mobile platform, btw, so the games on it are still squarely in the mobile gaming market. The consumer base is different as wel in many ways.

      • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

        spiffyone, my point is that the word "mobile" becoming less and less meaningful in this marketplace. Is the UMD-less PSP Go a mobile device? Sony is even touting the presence of Fieldrunner and Minigore in their downloadable app selection. so it's pretty clear that they see the iPod Touch as competition. (And frankly, I don't think Apple sees WM or Android as real competitors in this arena. We'll see what happens with the Zune HD.) In any event, as you can now see in the new revenue-based Top Apps list, the consumer base is also changing. You can say whatever you want about MC:S or Blades of Fury: they're are not aimed at the casual market, and they're doing very well.

      • Adams Immersive

        Consoles ARE competing against PCs: people will sometimes buy a console instead of upgrading their PC to handle better games.

        Likewise, if people who want mobile gaming will sometimes pass on the PSP and end up buying an iPod/iPhone (having it all in one device instead of hauling a sack of gadgets), then that IS competing. One product takes sales that another would like to have.

      • spiffyone

        No, the UMD less PSP is not a mobile device because it is still a PSP...a dedicated portable game system. That's a different market than mobile. Digital download only does not make Go, which is still just a PSP, a different type of product entirely. It's still a game system.

        PSPs are designed to run one type of software above all else, and cater to consumer primarily interested in that software. That software, of course, is games. iPhone/touch is NOT designed to run that one type of software above all else, is not primarily focused on game software, and is not primarily marketed toward game consumers. It is a mobile platform, a "do all" sort of device (as that is what the mobile market has become).

        Even if we look at the "top grossing apps" what do we see? A tpain music app, a TomTom GPS/Navigation app, AppBoxPro a utilities app, CameraGenius a photo app, etc. amongst the game apps. It's like the PC market, but in the palm of your hand, unlike the portable game market which mimics the video game home console market but in the palm of your hand. The former two are designed to run a variety of software, the latter two are designed to run one particular type of software (games) above all else. That's the difference, and the consumers too are different due to that differing product focus. Those in the market for a PC or mobile platform like iPhone/touch are not necessarily primarily interested in buying games, while those in the market for a video game home console or portable game device are, in fact, primarily interested in buying games. That's a HUGE difference.

      • spiffyone

        @Adams Interactive

        "Consoles are competing against PCs"

        Really? Really?

        Because when I want to edit some photos and videos, or work on spreadsheets, or upload a video to youtube, etc. I sure as hell don't power up the PS3, 360, or Wii.

        We can possibly state that the specific submarket of games within the overall PC market is in competition with the video game home consoles, but we cannot state that the PC market is in direct competition with video game home consoles because PCs are a market in which gamers only make up a percentage of the total userbase. With video game home consoles ALL consumers are gamers.

        Same deal with portable game systems (PSP, DS) compared to mobile platforms like iPhone/touch.

        It's quite simple to understand, but it seems to have flown over everyone's heads here.

      • Dark NRG

        I'm telling you now, I'm gettin a used PS3 Phat while it still has hypervisor to let me load up YellowDog since the PS3 Slim disables that option.

      • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

        spiffyone, I know that you like your categories neat and clean, and I admire how seriously you take this issue. I'm just saying it's not so simple anymore. A PSP Go running Fieldrunner is competing with an iPod Touch running Fieldrunner -- they're after the same consumers. Whether one is a dedicated device or not makes a difference -- it's just not as big as it used to be.

      • spiffyone

        This is what I'm getting at:

        They're not really after the same consumers as a whole.

        PSP is targeted SPECIFICALLY to game consumers.

        iPhone/touch is targeted to those interested in a "do all" product in a mobile styling. Gamers may be PART of that, may make up a sizable portion of that consumer base, but they aren't really the primary target. They're just PART of the total userbase, not ALL and that's completely different from the portable video game system market. That's a very sizable difference in the two markets.

        Again, Fieldrunners may be on both, but there's no photo, productivity, utility, etc. apps on PSP. There's no official ebook reader. There's no office document reader, etc. There's pretty much just games. Again, a sizable difference in the product, and the type of consumer that is attracted to it, and therefore the market.

      • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=1830 Liam (aka TGR)

        Spiffy, you've got to understand that some categories spill into each other. It's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. And it's the same for markets and consumers. An iPod Touch is quite clearly a competitor to the DS and PSP, I think only you could dispute that.

      • Adams Immersive

        Spiffyone--your objections may stem from reading "always" where I actually said "sometimes" :)

        As people say--categories overlap. And if you choose look at people who want ONLY gaming, and want to carry a device that does nothing else well, and don't mind bulk in the process, then that's a small niche. If you look at people who want multiple functions, greater portability, AND to who gaming is ALSO very important, then you're in that gray area you don't like. But it's huge. And so much fun!

      • spiffyone

        Answer these for PSP/DS and iPhone/touch respectively:

        Is there a primary focus of the product? If so, what is it? If not, why not? What type of consumer does this sort of product appeal to? What are they most interested in doing with this product? What was the reason for buying the product for the majority of the consumerbase of said product?

        Answer those questions and you'll see how I come to the distinction. It's not only I who point this out, btw.

        Yes, there may be SOME crossover, but SOME =/= ALL and "ALL" defines a market as a whole, not "SOME". All DS and PSP owners bought those devices to primarily play games on. Did all iPhone/touch owners buy those devices to play games primarily? No. Thus they are not in DIRECT competition with one another as products AS A WHOLE. They exist in different markets. One is bought solely to play games on, the other PERHAPS to play games on as an ADDITION to the rest of the stuff it does.

        I can't make it any clearer.

        There may have been ~40-50 million iPhone/touch devices sold, but not ALL of them are used PRIMARILY for gaming. That's the difference in this market vs. the portable game systems.

      • spiffyone

        @Adams Immersive

        I read your comment correctly, actually. Again, "some" or "sometimes" does not define a market as a whole. That's what I'm getting at.

        As a whole, this is a mobile market. As a whole, PSP and DS are in the portable game system market.

        Is there some overlap? Sure. But the fact remains that it is indirect competition at most. I'm not saying there is NO competition; I'm merely stating that as they exist in different markets the competition that exists is not DIRECT competition. That's a very clear distinction to make.

        As for the "small niche"...I'd say nearly 200 million PSPs and DSs sold altogether shows anything but a "small niche". And again I point out that not ALL iPhone/touch consumers use their devices PRIMARILY for gaming. ALL PSP and DS users do, however. Hence, different sort of market. Some overlap does not negate that.

      • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

        This is getting kind of silly-long at this point, though it's an interesting conversation (at least for us design/marketing types). I may start a thread on this later on. Before I bow out, I should note that the last number we have for PSP sales is 50 mil worldwide since 2004. You have to wonder how many of those are still active today (and how many are actually upgrades, rather than new units); we may be talking about a significantly smaller market that you suggest, spiffyone (DS is a different story).

      • GDSage

        How is the iphone competing with PSP and DS?

        They do not share the same retail market. 59p titles, no matter if they sell over a million, cannot compare to the multitude of titles on handhelds that sell multi-millions (many 5, 10 million and above) at 34.99.

        They do not share the same development practice / mindset. Many genres and styles are served best with actual tactile controls, and developers know this too well. The iphone will always be a step behind in many areas due to this lacking, as many games need enough intuitive controls and buttons to properly function.

        They do not share the same developers (with regards to focus and resources). The Japanese industry is completely focused on handhelds, and for a good reason considering handhelds are dominating its market, as well as the markets across the world. With Japan, they are not fond of digital distribution (DD in addition to online gaming isn't big in Japan, it's largely sniffed at), so Japanese support will be directed towards the medium-driven handhelds meaning the handhelds will always be steps ahead with regards to a large volume of medium and high-budget projects.

  • dexx0008

    wow, gameloft has over 20 million downloads,,, thats some decent income. that should lead to more games/updates.

  • dexx0008

    wow, gameloft has over 20 million downloads,,, thats some decent income. that should lead to more games/updates.

  • http://www.wazooinc.com wazoo

    a "little" like Audiosurf?!

  • http://www.wazooinc.com wazoo

    a "little" like Audiosurf?!

  • sam

    it feels like christmas come early! all the excitement of hopefully a new gen ipod touch and all these games!

  • sam

    it feels like christmas come early! all the excitement of hopefully a new gen ipod touch and all these games!

  • Dark NRG

    Steelers Rule!

  • Dark NRG

    Steelers Rule!

  • sam

    im so glad the new ipods are so cheap! will deffo upgrade to 32, 64 if i have enough cash!

  • sam

    im so glad the new ipods are so cheap! will deffo upgrade to 32, 64 if i have enough cash!

  • spiffyone

    And now Gameloft is giving us their version of Halo.

    lol

    Hey, Gameloft!

    I really wouldn't mind a "version" of Sword of the Colossus or Legend of Zelda ;)

    • CaseyLay

      And Monster Jam.

  • spiffyone

    And now Gameloft is giving us their version of Halo.

    lol

    Hey, Gameloft!

    I really wouldn't mind a "version" of Sword of the Colossus or Legend of Zelda ;)

    • CaseyLay

      And Monster Jam.

  • http://www.pocketfullofapps.com yourofl10

    Nothing about a camera hmm....

  • Dark NRG

    NO F#$% CAMERA????!?!

  • GDSage

    Wow, at comparing to DS and PSP in such a manner. A company couldn't be more arrogant if they tried.

  • http://www.pocketfullofapps.com yourofl10

    Nothing about a camera hmm....

  • Dark NRG

    NO F#$% CAMERA????!?!

  • GDSage

    Wow, at comparing to DS and PSP in such a manner. A company couldn't be more arrogant if they tried.

  • spiffyone

    Just read about the iTunes extras for movies.

    They HAVE to announce something to do with AppleTV now. They just HAVE to.

  • spiffyone

    Just read about the iTunes extras for movies.

    They HAVE to announce something to do with AppleTV now. They just HAVE to.

  • sam

    better have a vid camera!

  • sam

    better have a vid camera!

  • spiffyone

    What was stated at the event: "8GB $199, at $299 we're doubling the memory... and at $399 we're doubling to 64GB"

    What was shown on the screen: $199 8GB, $299 32GB, $399 64GB

    ???

    Apple fails at math all of a sudden? Because last I checked, when you double 8 you get 16, not 32....

    • Dark NRG

      Yeah, I caught that, too! 8GB doubled is 16, not 32. Doofus

    • imadqamar

      They meant "at $299 we're doubling the 'previous 16 gigs' ".. so now its 32 gigs... and $399 doubling the 'previous 32 gigs'.

      • imadqamar

        $299 used to be the price of a 16 gig Touch, and $399 of a 32 gig Touch.. so they doubled the figures.

        (they should've doubled $199 8 gig to 16 as well)

        AND added OpenGL ES 2.0!

  • spiffyone

    What was stated at the event: "8GB $199, at $299 we're doubling the memory... and at $399 we're doubling to 64GB"

    What was shown on the screen: $199 8GB, $299 32GB, $399 64GB

    ???

    Apple fails at math all of a sudden? Because last I checked, when you double 8 you get 16, not 32....

    • Dark NRG

      Yeah, I caught that, too! 8GB doubled is 16, not 32. Doofus

    • imadqamar

      They meant "at $299 we're doubling the 'previous 16 gigs' ".. so now its 32 gigs... and $399 doubling the 'previous 32 gigs'.

      • imadqamar

        $299 used to be the price of a 16 gig Touch, and $399 of a 32 gig Touch.. so they doubled the figures.

        (they should've doubled $199 8 gig to 16 as well)

        AND added OpenGL ES 2.0!

  • http://www.pocketfullofapps.com yourofl10

    iPod Touch better have a video camera, if not I'm gonna be ticked

  • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

    i want to buy a new touch, to replace my first gen with a streak of dead pixels, but if it doesn't have a camera..or mic, then i might as well just buy a nano and wait another year to replace the touch..i hope the touch gets a camera and mic

    • Dark NRG

      Mine just did that last Saturday!!! 1st gen. I just feel goin to Nano is goin backwards, so I'd have to change carriers and go with ATT and the iPhone to justify the cost now+a bit higher phone bill. But my plan cycle it the 19th, so I better act soon.

  • http://www.pocketfullofapps.com yourofl10

    iPod Touch better have a video camera, if not I'm gonna be ticked

  • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

    i want to buy a new touch, to replace my first gen with a streak of dead pixels, but if it doesn't have a camera..or mic, then i might as well just buy a nano and wait another year to replace the touch..i hope the touch gets a camera and mic

    • Dark NRG

      Mine just did that last Saturday!!! 1st gen. I just feel goin to Nano is goin backwards, so I'd have to change carriers and go with ATT and the iPhone to justify the cost now+a bit higher phone bill. But my plan cycle it the 19th, so I better act soon.

  • JaXX

    To be honest I'm most looking forward to that 3.1 software update, its definitely required as there are quite a few issues with 3.0/3.0.1.

  • sam

    i dont think theylly let us down tbh. a nano out competing ipod touch = unlikely

  • JaXX

    To be honest I'm most looking forward to that 3.1 software update, its definitely required as there are quite a few issues with 3.0/3.0.1.

  • sam

    i dont think theylly let us down tbh. a nano out competing ipod touch = unlikely

  • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

    i am scared about this concert in the middle, well at least i hope it is the middle and not the end...normally they have their concert at the end.. what is happening -haha

  • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

    i am scared about this concert in the middle, well at least i hope it is the middle and not the end...normally they have their concert at the end.. what is happening -haha

  • Dark NRG

    NO

    F$%@$ing

    CAMERA!

    Gdamit!

    my itouch just got a line of dead pixels last week, now I gotta get an iPhone to justify the cost!

  • Dark NRG

    NO

    F$%@$ing

    CAMERA!

    Gdamit!

    my itouch just got a line of dead pixels last week, now I gotta get an iPhone to justify the cost!

  • http://www.ttursas.com Ville Helin

    Waaaat!? No GPU upgrades to MacBook Pros!? I want them upgraded so I can buy the 17" model, GeForce 9600 is too old...

    • spiffyone

      it's an ipod event, not a Mac computer event.

      • http://www.ttursas.com Ville Helin

        An unexpected announcement would have been nice. ;)

      • Dark NRG

        ROFL! Oh, you ARE hopeful! You just wait till January and the only change they make to the Macbook is bringing back white plastic!

  • spiffyone

    wow...that's it?

    I mean, iTunes 9 upgrades are nice, so is the LP and movie extra stuff...but...I mean...that's it?

    No camera announcement for iPod touch. They alluded to a new 3rd "gen" iPod touch with OpenGL 2.0...but didn't actually show one off (maybe the rumors of the camera issue are true....).

    What gives?

    And STILL nothing for AppleTV announced? WTF Apple? I know Jobs thinks of it as a "hobby", but that thing has an incredible amount of potential and room for growth, and could do for the set top box market what iPhone/touch did for mobile. And...nothing was announced. At all. Ho hum. :(

  • http://www.ttursas.com Ville Helin

    Waaaat!? No GPU upgrades to MacBook Pros!? I want them upgraded so I can buy the 17" model, GeForce 9600 is too old...

    • spiffyone

      it's an ipod event, not a Mac computer event.

      • http://www.ttursas.com Ville Helin

        An unexpected announcement would have been nice. ;)

      • Dark NRG

        ROFL! Oh, you ARE hopeful! You just wait till January and the only change they make to the Macbook is bringing back white plastic!

  • spiffyone

    wow...that's it?

    I mean, iTunes 9 upgrades are nice, so is the LP and movie extra stuff...but...I mean...that's it?

    No camera announcement for iPod touch. They alluded to a new 3rd "gen" iPod touch with OpenGL 2.0...but didn't actually show one off (maybe the rumors of the camera issue are true....).

    What gives?

    And STILL nothing for AppleTV announced? WTF Apple? I know Jobs thinks of it as a "hobby", but that thing has an incredible amount of potential and room for growth, and could do for the set top box market what iPhone/touch did for mobile. And...nothing was announced. At all. Ho hum. :(

  • Mark

    ""And people are starting to see what a great gaming device this is. When you think about the companies that came before us… when you played those other systems, they seemed so cool, but now when you look at them, they don't stack up against the iPod touch." -Phil Schiller"

    I'll call crap on that. Every other device lets me save game progress when a game is not in the device - even the very first GameBoy did. The idevice does not.

    • maikelg

      agreed, the iDevice NEEDS a way to keep saved games on your device when the game is not. I'm wasting tons of space on my iPod because I don't want to lose my saves games by deleting the game.

      • spiffyone

        I still don't understand why passwords aren't used, ala the good old days of the NES. Yeah, some of those passwords were REALLY friggin' long, but it beats having all progress erased with no way at all to get back where you left off in a game.

      • TKO

        Y'know, I was just about to reply with total hate on the game-codes idea, but that's not actually such a bad way to be able to save some kind of state.

        Sure, it's not as user-friendly as is should be. But at least I could, say, go into a game's prefs, copy some 'game-state-hash-text', go to the Notes App and paste it in a "Game States" note. Would be a useful way to revert back to old states/saves too.

        Now, if anyone were to implement saves where I had to type in codes and couldn't do the copy/paste thang ..I would hate them forever. (I have no good memories of that method.) :D

  • Mark

    ""And people are starting to see what a great gaming device this is. When you think about the companies that came before us… when you played those other systems, they seemed so cool, but now when you look at them, they don't stack up against the iPod touch." -Phil Schiller"

    I'll call crap on that. Every other device lets me save game progress when a game is not in the device - even the very first GameBoy did. The idevice does not.

    • maikelg

      agreed, the iDevice NEEDS a way to keep saved games on your device when the game is not. I'm wasting tons of space on my iPod because I don't want to lose my saves games by deleting the game.

      • spiffyone

        I still don't understand why passwords aren't used, ala the good old days of the NES. Yeah, some of those passwords were REALLY friggin' long, but it beats having all progress erased with no way at all to get back where you left off in a game.

      • TKO

        Y'know, I was just about to reply with total hate on the game-codes idea, but that's not actually such a bad way to be able to save some kind of state.

        Sure, it's not as user-friendly as is should be. But at least I could, say, go into a game's prefs, copy some 'game-state-hash-text', go to the Notes App and paste it in a "Game States" note. Would be a useful way to revert back to old states/saves too.

        Now, if anyone were to implement saves where I had to type in codes and couldn't do the copy/paste thang ..I would hate them forever. (I have no good memories of that method.) :D

  • Samka

    iPod Nano Camera=Perverts new best friend, youtube wrecked, a waste of time completely. I mean whats the point ipod touches need mic's and cameras:@

  • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

    this is disappointing, yet suspenseful at the same time , steve jobs just came back out, i hope he forgot to mention, oh yeah we have cameras for the ipod touch as well

    • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

      and mostly just disappointing

      • Dark NRG

        He got a new liver and lost his soul

  • Samka

    iPod Nano Camera=Perverts new best friend, youtube wrecked, a waste of time completely. I mean whats the point ipod touches need mic's and cameras:@

  • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

    this is disappointing, yet suspenseful at the same time , steve jobs just came back out, i hope he forgot to mention, oh yeah we have cameras for the ipod touch as well

    • http://www.drafternoon.com mek

      and mostly just disappointing

      • Dark NRG

        He got a new liver and lost his soul

  • maikelg

    Looks like that's it. Very dissapointing iPod touch wise. No camera and no new features. I think it's weird the nano's get a camera and the nouches don't.. What the hell, apple?

  • Yeroc

    What no 16gb Touch :(

  • maikelg

    Looks like that's it. Very dissapointing iPod touch wise. No camera and no new features. I think it's weird the nano's get a camera and the nouches don't.. What the hell, apple?

  • Yeroc

    What no 16gb Touch :(

  • Bryan

    Was so waiting for a camera in the darn thing. How can the nano have a microphone camera etc but the touch just gets double memory and faster processor oh joy.. Was going to buy one immediately but no camera, no microphone no buy

  • Bryan

    Was so waiting for a camera in the darn thing. How can the nano have a microphone camera etc but the touch just gets double memory and faster processor oh joy.. Was going to buy one immediately but no camera, no microphone no buy

  • http://www.pocketfullofapps.com yourofl10

    Hmm...all these sources said that the new new Ipod will most likely have a camera and even case makers relased images of cases for iPod Touch with camera. The Nano has a camera and not the touch I can't see how Apple would do that..

  • http://www.pocketfullofapps.com yourofl10

    Hmm...all these sources said that the new new Ipod will most likely have a camera and even case makers relased images of cases for iPod Touch with camera. The Nano has a camera and not the touch I can't see how Apple would do that..

  • Dark NRG

    Hell, the Nano even got a radio. A FRICKIN RADIO FOR KRISE SAKE! WTF?

  • Dark NRG

    Hell, the Nano even got a radio. A FRICKIN RADIO FOR KRISE SAKE! WTF?

  • jenday

    so when will 3.1 be out and new itunes ?
    also will madden be available for Countries other than north america unlike gamelofts NFL?

    • Archon

      Itunes 9 is already out.

  • jenday

    so when will 3.1 be out and new itunes ?
    also will madden be available for Countries other than north america unlike gamelofts NFL?

    • Archon

      Itunes 9 is already out.

  • Moroboshi

    Seemed a bit of a non-event for Steve's big come back. Nothing particularly interesting was announced.

    Amusing to see Gameloft with yet another me-too title though. Those guys are truly the least original developer working today.

    • Dark NRG

      precisely. I'm glad to see Steve back and doin well, but COME ON! this is gonna be the ridicule of the industry. Wait till cnet covers this!

  • Dark NRG

    Oh the HUMANITY!!!

    The Hopes!

    The Dreams!

    The Savings!

    Gone, ALL gone!

    "GAME OVER, man!!"

  • Moroboshi

    Seemed a bit of a non-event for Steve's big come back. Nothing particularly interesting was announced.

    Amusing to see Gameloft with yet another me-too title though. Those guys are truly the least original developer working today.

    • Dark NRG

      precisely. I'm glad to see Steve back and doin well, but COME ON! this is gonna be the ridicule of the industry. Wait till cnet covers this!

  • Dark NRG

    Oh the HUMANITY!!!

    The Hopes!

    The Dreams!

    The Savings!

    Gone, ALL gone!

    "GAME OVER, man!!"

  • http://touchreviews.tk Qasim

    This is all I"m gonna say. HOLY SHIT

  • http://touchreviews.tk Qasim

    This is all I"m gonna say. HOLY SHIT

  • jenday

    3.1 OS now live in UK woot going to check for new itunes now

    • jenday

      its 265mb download for 3.1, no sign of itunes 9 yet

  • jenday

    3.1 OS now live in UK woot going to check for new itunes now

    • jenday

      its 265mb download for 3.1, no sign of itunes 9 yet

  • maikelg

    Installing 3.1 now.. There better be a camera magically appearing on my iPod after syncing...

  • maikelg

    Installing 3.1 now.. There better be a camera magically appearing on my iPod after syncing...

  • Droppin' Loads

    Shit. No Beatles.

  • Droppin' Loads

    Shit. No Beatles.

  • ipwned

    I think the biggest update is the ability to send/receive MMS...which you guys didn't mention. Welcome to the 21st century apple!

    • TKO

      Um, most of the world has had that since 3.0. My cell provider (Vodafone) sent me a txt on the 19th of June that I could use MMS. I'm sure Apple doesn't want to remind people how much of an ass AT&T has been making them look in the US.

  • ipwned

    I think the biggest update is the ability to send/receive MMS...which you guys didn't mention. Welcome to the 21st century apple!

    • TKO

      Um, most of the world has had that since 3.0. My cell provider (Vodafone) sent me a txt on the 19th of June that I could use MMS. I'm sure Apple doesn't want to remind people how much of an ass AT&T has been making them look in the US.

  • http://www.buzzabit.com/aaron Aaron Sullivan

    Careful about the low-priced iPod Touch (8gb) it doesn't seem to have the new graphics chip. "Faster performance" is _not_ listed like in the 32GB and 64GB versions.

    As far as nothing big announced, I sort of disagree. I mean, the hardware isn't amazing, but the price drop and capacity on the iPod Touches is pretty nice. The lack of camera is interesting... I wonder if it will appear in six months. Rumors ARE rumors, though, folks. If you _expected_ the cameras and were disappointed, it's not Apple's fault, it's yours.

    The nanos have become really nice versatile machines. Big upgrade there.

    iTunes 9 looks to be a huge improvement. App organizing, home sharing, the improved store layout, and genius being applied to apps are all going to effect me directly and positively. In the end, it's the software that really shapes your experience with the hardware and Apple seems to be delivering quite a bit today.

    I'll admit to being a bit surprised at the lack of cameras in the touches AND the lack of speed bump on the low-end iPod Touch. I'm guessing what we have here is a quick reshuffling of the product to 1. Compete more favorably with the Zune HD on face value 2. Avoid major costs due to the rumored manufacturing problems with the cameras 3. add one more reason to get an iPhone instead.

    • http://www.4ormal.com formal

      I am really disappointed that the 8gb touch doesn't have the same performance increase..... I mean... COME ON APPLE! I've bought an ipod touch 1st gen, an iphone, and I was ready to upgrade to the new touch but not now. Seriously keep the price at $229 and add the better CPU/GPU and ram.

      /rant

  • http://www.buzzabit.com/aaron Aaron Sullivan

    Careful about the low-priced iPod Touch (8gb) it doesn't seem to have the new graphics chip. "Faster performance" is _not_ listed like in the 32GB and 64GB versions.

    As far as nothing big announced, I sort of disagree. I mean, the hardware isn't amazing, but the price drop and capacity on the iPod Touches is pretty nice. The lack of camera is interesting... I wonder if it will appear in six months. Rumors ARE rumors, though, folks. If you _expected_ the cameras and were disappointed, it's not Apple's fault, it's yours.

    The nanos have become really nice versatile machines. Big upgrade there.

    iTunes 9 looks to be a huge improvement. App organizing, home sharing, the improved store layout, and genius being applied to apps are all going to effect me directly and positively. In the end, it's the software that really shapes your experience with the hardware and Apple seems to be delivering quite a bit today.

    I'll admit to being a bit surprised at the lack of cameras in the touches AND the lack of speed bump on the low-end iPod Touch. I'm guessing what we have here is a quick reshuffling of the product to 1. Compete more favorably with the Zune HD on face value 2. Avoid major costs due to the rumored manufacturing problems with the cameras 3. add one more reason to get an iPhone instead.

    • http://www.4ormal.com formal

      I am really disappointed that the 8gb touch doesn't have the same performance increase..... I mean... COME ON APPLE! I've bought an ipod touch 1st gen, an iphone, and I was ready to upgrade to the new touch but not now. Seriously keep the price at $229 and add the better CPU/GPU and ram.

      /rant

  • Dark NRG

    You know, I bought a Macbook a year ago and complained that Apple took away the Firewire. Steve emailed back a dude on another forum that the future was cameras with USB. Then what happens? 6mos later, PRESTO! Same Macbooks, same price, NOW with Firewire again.

    Maybe the Touch will get a real update in January???

  • Dark NRG

    You know, I bought a Macbook a year ago and complained that Apple took away the Firewire. Steve emailed back a dude on another forum that the future was cameras with USB. Then what happens? 6mos later, PRESTO! Same Macbooks, same price, NOW with Firewire again.

    Maybe the Touch will get a real update in January???

  • imadqamar

    The features of the new 32/64 gigs Touch on Apple.com include "Voice Control". Dat means it has a mic right?

  • imadqamar

    The features of the new 32/64 gigs Touch on Apple.com include "Voice Control". Dat means it has a mic right?

  • http://www.allaboutiphone.net James @ All About iPhone

    My prediction? The iPod Touch will be phased out and replaced by a cheap iPhone. Hence the spy shots with the camera in the centre.

  • http://www.allaboutiphone.net James @ All About iPhone

    My prediction? The iPod Touch will be phased out and replaced by a cheap iPhone. Hence the spy shots with the camera in the centre.

  • Tower_Defender

    Is that image of a racing game, Need for Speed Shift?

  • Tower_Defender

    Is that image of a racing game, Need for Speed Shift?

  • imadqamar

    iPod Nano users have a reason to shift atleast :(

    They just upgraded the Touch to the 3GS hardware (Plus no camera). There only a handful of apps utilizing 3GS at the moment, so no upgrade for me..

    *if only it had a cam*

  • imadqamar

    iPod Nano users have a reason to shift atleast :(

    They just upgraded the Touch to the 3GS hardware (Plus no camera). There only a handful of apps utilizing 3GS at the moment, so no upgrade for me..

    *if only it had a cam*

  • http://www.on-core.com On-Core

    iTunes 9 a HUGE step backwards for Games in the App Store?

    They seem to have removed all the sub-categories for games! I thought it was hard to find good apps before, now it will be impossible. I hope this is just a brief over site? You may want to stick with iTunes 8.2.x for awhile longer...

  • http://www.on-core.com On-Core

    iTunes 9 a HUGE step backwards for Games in the App Store?

    They seem to have removed all the sub-categories for games! I thought it was hard to find good apps before, now it will be impossible. I hope this is just a brief over site? You may want to stick with iTunes 8.2.x for awhile longer...

  • http://musiquenontalent.blogspot.com robman84

    I was so looking forward to a proper iPod Touch upgrade.

    No camera
    No GPS
    No compass
    No microphone
    No mention about speaker upgrade

    No increase in number of app pages
    No support for folders to put them in
    But hey, "21,178 entertainment apps" to choose from. Just choose carefully.

    I guess I'll have to wait to see what the iPhone 4G brings next Summer.

  • http://musiquenontalent.blogspot.com robman84

    I was so looking forward to a proper iPod Touch upgrade.

    No camera
    No GPS
    No compass
    No microphone
    No mention about speaker upgrade

    No increase in number of app pages
    No support for folders to put them in
    But hey, "21,178 entertainment apps" to choose from. Just choose carefully.

    I guess I'll have to wait to see what the iPhone 4G brings next Summer.

  • marky

    yes i was wondering if they had a mic then? i really want to get i am t-pain on my ipod. i wanna be auto tuned in the worst way

  • marky

    on the 32/64 it says voice control...?

  • marky

    yes i was wondering if they had a mic then? i really want to get i am t-pain on my ipod. i wanna be auto tuned in the worst way

  • marky

    on the 32/64 it says voice control...?

  • ShadowsFall

    Nova looks too good to be true!! Can't wait for all these freaken awsome 3D games (looks like there's going to be shaders in them too!)

  • ShadowsFall

    Nova looks too good to be true!! Can't wait for all these freaken awsome 3D games (looks like there's going to be shaders in them too!)

  • ShadowsFall

    Nova looks way too good to be true with NFS:S!!! I can't wait for all these games to come out!! Looks a lot better than PSP's games for the first time!!!

  • ShadowsFall

    Nova looks way too good to be true with NFS:S!!! I can\'t wait for all these games to come out!! Looks a lot better than PSP\'s games for the first time!!!

  • Nefhril

    Anyone know if they showed or said anything about DooM Classic?

    • imadqamar

      Nope. They didn't.

      There's nothing new to know about it anyway.. John just updated ppl here at TA that he's tweaking it and will submit in a couple of weeks.

  • Nefhril

    Anyone know if they showed or said anything about DooM Classic?

    • imadqamar

      Nope. They didn't.

      There's nothing new to know about it anyway.. John just updated ppl here at TA that he's tweaking it and will submit in a couple of weeks.

  • Mongoose

    The microphone comes in the headphone lead. The site says "Earphones with Remote and Mic". So it's not built into the unit.

    • marky

      but with the new update. can i use those headphones with my ipod 2g?

      • imadqamar

        I don't think so. Else they would've mentioned it under the iPod Touch 8 gigs one as well.

        Besides, I believe the support is more related to the kind of jack/headphone port available on the idevice. Probably the one which supports those headphones is only present in the Touch 32/64 GB only.

  • Mongoose

    The microphone comes in the headphone lead. The site says "Earphones with Remote and Mic". So it's not built into the unit.

    • marky

      but with the new update. can i use those headphones with my ipod 2g?

      • imadqamar

        I don't think so. Else they would've mentioned it under the iPod Touch 8 gigs one as well.

        Besides, I believe the support is more related to the kind of jack/headphone port available on the idevice. Probably the one which supports those headphones is only present in the Touch 32/64 GB only.

  • akira01

    @Spyffione:"And again I point out that not ALL iPhone/touch consumers use their devices PRIMARILY for gaming."

    Ok, not all, but more and more people use their Idevices primarily for that, the big part i'm sure...and that explain why there are 21 000 apps games in the Appstore today, and why Gameloft sells 20 millions games, and that explains why the PSP doesn't sell very well today.
    An Iphone is by far more competitive with a PSP than with an android platform today, about games.
    Have you Fifa 10 or GTA china wars on android ? Nope
    Have you got only a game with the same level of quality than Rolando2 in the android Store ? Nope
    Today, a gamer want a console that can be also a PDA and an Ipod. Just logical.
    My 360 can read films, and i can buy films with her. Fortunately, Sony and Nintendo themselves don't think that there is REAL categories for typical gamers. Tomorrow will be the end of the dedicated platform. Print that.

  • akira01

    @Spyffione:"And again I point out that not ALL iPhone/touch consumers use their devices PRIMARILY for gaming."

    Ok, not all, but more and more people use their Idevices primarily for that, the big part i'm sure...and that explain why there are 21 000 apps games in the Appstore today, and why Gameloft sells 20 millions games, and that explains why the PSP doesn't sell very well today.
    An Iphone is by far more competitive with a PSP than with an android platform today, about games.
    Have you Fifa 10 or GTA china wars on android ? Nope
    Have you got only a game with the same level of quality than Rolando2 in the android Store ? Nope
    Today, a gamer want a console that can be also a PDA and an Ipod. Just logical.
    My 360 can read films, and i can buy films with her. Fortunately, Sony and Nintendo themselves don't think that there is REAL categories for typical gamers. Tomorrow will be the end of the dedicated platform. Print that.

  • Ryan

    So does the iPod Touch 32GB have any form of internal speaker (even if not really good/loud) so I don't need to plug in headphones or a external speaker to play games?

    If not I don't see how it can be compared directly to any handheld video game system.

    • imadqamar

      built-in speaker was introduced in the 2nd generation iPod Touch last year. These iPods have 'em too ofcourse. You probably own the 1st generation one (like me)

  • Ryan

    So does the iPod Touch 32GB have any form of internal speaker (even if not really good/loud) so I don't need to plug in headphones or a external speaker to play games?

    If not I don't see how it can be compared directly to any handheld video game system.

    • imadqamar

      built-in speaker was introduced in the 2nd generation iPod Touch last year. These iPods have 'em too ofcourse. You probably own the 1st generation one (like me)

  • Brian

    You think all these games that they just announced will run on the old hardware? 2nd gen iTouch, in my case.

  • Brian

    You think all these games that they just announced will run on the old hardware? 2nd gen iTouch, in my case.

  • Brian

    Will all these games be able to run on old hardware? 2nd gen iTouch, in my case.

    • Zeke

      I'm sure they will, only because most people will not likely upgrade since the camera and built-in speaker were not included. However, do not expect them to run as smoothly as was presented... The 2nd gen seems to do pretty well with the newer stuff, though.

      It's probably worth an upgrade for the faster processor alone. I will be (Of course, it is a big leap from a first gen to this).

      In response to those who are complaining about not having the camera: The recent rumor seems to be that the camera did not function well with the Touch's new setup, so they just dumped the upgrade altogether. Don't be surprised if we have a "surprise" upgrade announcement in January.

      But if you want a camera, go buy a camera. 3 megapixels ain't gonna do much for you. The mic would've been nice, but you can't have all you want all the time...

  • Brian

    Will all these games be able to run on old hardware? 2nd gen iTouch, in my case.

    • Zeke

      I'm sure they will, only because most people will not likely upgrade since the camera and built-in speaker were not included. However, do not expect them to run as smoothly as was presented... The 2nd gen seems to do pretty well with the newer stuff, though.

      It's probably worth an upgrade for the faster processor alone. I will be (Of course, it is a big leap from a first gen to this).

      In response to those who are complaining about not having the camera: The recent rumor seems to be that the camera did not function well with the Touch's new setup, so they just dumped the upgrade altogether. Don't be surprised if we have a "surprise" upgrade announcement in January.

      But if you want a camera, go buy a camera. 3 megapixels ain't gonna do much for you. The mic would've been nice, but you can't have all you want all the time...