Just a example of how unfair Apple is! We need Taylor swift to help the developers cause!

Games that fly the swastika are usually war games or shooters. Also not things that should be banned.

Slavery was embedded in the American culture. It's banned. America got over it.

Really. How many underage prostitutes are living in a slavery in America today? Too many. You had better open your eyes. Also, we should depict history accurately so the generations on into the future will never forget.

Your point is irrelevant in terms of portraying history accurately. By your point, America should not allow anyone to learn slavery ever existed in the U.S. That is a chosen ignorance that is dangerous to everyone who lets that sort of thing perpetuate itself. You ever wonder how things got to the point they did historically? Acting as if it never happened, that won't help anything. It will simply come back one day.

That's exactly what fascists say.

Is it?

What?

No, I didn't HEAR anything.
I had to READ it over and over and it still doesn't make a lick of sense.

Did you mean TYPE it all out of order?

WTF are you typing about?

Newsflash for you, people behind this are not fascists, they are Leftist, liberals, SJWankers, Kosher Conservatives.

They are communist fascists.

There is no such thing as commie fascist as there is no such thing as fascist commie. This is oxymoron.

They are antifascists. Fair and square.

You know, not all bad things are "fascist" or "nationalsocialist".

Antifascists commited more crimes than fascists and nationalsocialists combined.

Commies are anti-fascists. By the way anti-fascist is stupid made up term primarily used by commies covering everything and nothing, to discredit political opposition.

Since when does an antifascist take away a mans right to fly a piece of cloth?

When does an antifascist pull all civil war games off it's shelves?

This is not an oxymoron. Are you being obtuse on purpose?

One word, ANTIFA.

Wat. Commies are commies and fascists are fascists.

Nothing is black and white right now.

True. But I am calling a spade a spade.

Yeah, but I would not call Commies Fascist nor Fascist Commies.

As I said before, Commies are Commies and Fascists are Fascists.

Learn difference. You everything bad prescribe to Fascists, but not all bad things are Fascist.

By the way, Commies in the name of equality and freedom commited more crimes than Fascists and National-Socialists combined.

No, some just keep harping on it and keep bringing it up. Slavery was banned so no one is a slave anymore.

I have not seen the Nazi flag in WOT, and I have played it quite a bit more than I should.

They use the iron cross instead of the swastika that would be historically correct.

The USA is not Europe or Russia and, we would hope, we never become like them. Showing historical events with the symbols, people and weapons that were actually there and used at the time is how we learn about the past. What is next, removing all German Nazi aircraft and missiles from the Smithsonian? This strikes me as infantile and just plain insane. The KKK burned crosses. Are we going to ban them next. Some Native Americans consider the Stars and Stripes as a flag of oppression, racism and hate. Will we have to ban that too. This is just plumb crazy.

I'm European, and honestly the deep mess Europe is in now will rather push away people rather having the emulate US. Nobody wants to emulated failure and the EU and the Euro are sadly failures.

Welcome to antifa(scist) SJWAnker leftard libtard commie Cultural-Marxist world.

Benjamin Franklin was an escaped slave. He was an apprentice that broke his apprenticeship. He could be arrested in another colony and brought back.

Same here in Spain. We had a Civil War, more recent than yours (1936-39) where both sides (republican-leftist and fascist-like) did terrible unspeakable things; where the Nazis, fascist Italians and some Soviet Russians helped each side accoding to their ideology while testing new weapons and tactics. Regardless of the consequences of that war and the 40 years of dictatorship that followed it, nowadays you can bear the Spanish Republican flag with total legal freedom everywhere here. The same with the Franco's one though, fortunately or not. Obviously you'd face some angry people on the street if you do so...

What I am trying to say is that to ban things is not the way. Education and respect to both positions while watching any extremist and antidemocratic outbreak is. At least in my country's Constitution opinion, and also mine.

Both sides were wrong though, the Fascists won but the Stalinists weren't exactly better. His point stands Germany is trying to obscure their own actions by forcing their law on every European country and trying to have everybody forget about 1939 outside of their frontiers, the US shouldn't do the same.

One thing is forbidding the Confederate Flag from State Buildings, which is how this stuff begun, the South lost, they sucked at war, so their flags should not be displayed in buildings where the victors rule, but trying to do the same to entertainment...hell they want to fucking ban "Gone with the Wind"...

Obviously you never had relatives who had to suffer years of Communist oppression.
Hitler, the great humanitarian, saved 1/2 of Europe from the atheist butchers of Communism.

Wake up to yourself and be thankful that Germany's preemptive defensive strike thwarted Stalin's Operation Thunder, the invasion of Europe. Be thankful Hitler, the great humanitarian was able to save 1/2 of Europe from the atheist butchers of communism.

Claims USA saved Europe from Soviets after USA armed Soviets and USA opened a 2nd front to ensure Soviet invasion of Europe.
Due to Hitler, the great humanitarian, 1/2 of Europe was saved from Communism.

Sure thing, except for Communists never intended to eradicate whole nations or make them slaves to Russians.

I know I accept that my comment was inflamatory, but then again the "outnumbered" thing is bullshit. Cortez was outnumbered, Blas de Lezo was outnumbered, being outnumbered and winning is actually pretty normal in Western Military History (Unless it is something like 10:1, but the propoirtions at least on the start was more about 6:1).

The industrial differences I concede though, it sucks when your enemy can out produce you.

So, the South "sucked at war" eh? Wrong. Go read about the Battle of Chancellorsville, the battle of Fredericksburg, and the Battle of Brice's Crossroads then come back and talk to us about Southern military prowess in the Late Unpleasantness between the North and the South. It is a fact that the CSA held off the USA for 4 long years despite having virtually no navy, 1/4 of the manpower available to the North, and 1/10 the industrial capacity of the North. Lincoln went through 7 generals in 3 years before he found one who could figure out a way to defeat Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. Even with Grant, it was not superior generalship nor fighting spirit that led to Appomattox, it was sheer weight of numbers and an endless logistical base. Had the South had the same amount of manpower and resources Yankees would need a passport today to come vacation in Dixie in the winter. Read some actual history written by professional historians before spouting off with uninformed opinions on subjects about which you obviously know very little. Being told "the North won" hardly provides one with a fully informed knowledge of the details of the conflict.

How is it possible for 'the WRONG side' to win a war ?
If it was it means it's possible the wrong side won WW2.

That's the way I feel about the Americas 2nd War for Independence.

Because we are not most eu countrys we are the USA were we have the freedom to burn our own flag but not the freedom to display a flag that is a part of our history. It really does not matter how much people don like it game developers should be able to make any game they like if content must be viewed by adults then so be it but the dictating company's are really just making it worse.

Banned in Europe and Russia.

Let's look at facts instead of reciting 70 year old wartime propaganda.
Hitler, the great humanitarian, saved 1/2 of Europe from the Communist butchers and returned Christian religious freedom to the countries he liberated from Stalin's jewish butchers.

Everybody thinks Germany has a blanket ban on all Nazi things, but they don't.

For example even though it's an atrocious movie, a great example is Uwe Boll's "Bloodrayne: The Third Reich" it was released in Germany. Has Nazis. The plot involves an attempt to make Hitler a vampire so he can be immortal. However, it is absent of Nazi flags on the cover. In the movie? Yes.

For an extreme example however of German censorship, is the edited for German release is Go Nagai's anime Kekko Kamen. The first 'episode' one of the teachers is wearing an SS uniform and says she last taught at "Auschwitz Academy" and so the German release changed that because it was making a joke out of Nazis and they removed most of the sections where it showed her in her SS uniform.

Give 1 reason.

Russia is communist and Europe socialist? Damn, what year is this?
The U.S. Politics are not communist nor fascist, just stupid!

@Nameless, it is not communism nor fascism, it is stupidity which the American people allow. If it was communism or fascism it would be great since political systems may be changed, while stupidity is eternal!

Something about genocide and six million Jews

Star Wars? We should ban YOU from talking, since your stupidity is pollution!

How about growing up

This is America, the Nazi flag is not banned here..it's that pesky 1st Amendment we in the land of freedom have.

One difference is that the Confederate flag is the latest, hottest "cooties" game of the race pimps of the cultural Marxists.

The other is that it's NOT the Nazi flag, though I'm probably an evil racist for pointing out that hatefact.

If I were making a mobile game now, I'd just steer very clear of Apple.

Some people care about principles more than money. Caring only about money gets you an amoral company and spineless CEO like tim cook.

That was in the before 'Fascism is now so American' time.

Android is actually larger

Well then don't make one, since without Apple you would be looking for a job in no time and have an APP no one uses.

How many games out there are promoting slavery? They simply depict the civil war and allow you to fight as the sides that participates in it.

Teabaggers = lefties?

Don't expect the politically lazy to do research into anything.

Too bad studies have shown viewers of shows like the Daily Show and The Colbert Report are better informed than viewers of Fox and CNN.

Those so-called studies were written to provide the desired report, Anyone who takes them seriously is a sheeple.

Where are these "studies" you speak so highly of?

Source?

Agreed. Very fair point.

Colbert finally finished his "study?"

So now comedians are valid news sources to the Left?

WTH am I reading here?

I learned my lesson, good sir. It's just above the gentleman who uses the confederate flag as his avatar. either as a troll or he is just very ignorant. in either case, it's a legit study conducted by the pew research center.

Studies? What studies? Ones done by Obama?

The tea party is a group of individuals who are run by corporations who use them for political gain. A vast majority of them are extreme right wing nut jobs who think that destroying America is the right thing to do. From racist view points to libertarian ideas we are better off without them.

You just proved how ignorant you are. I consider myself a member of the "TEA Party". TEA stands for TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY if you must know. I and many others, support and defend the idea that we MUST follow the US Constitution, which is the highest law in the land. Under that said Constitution, the Federal Govt is supposed to be limited not growing into the out of control monster it has become. I don't support endless mindless wars like NeoCons do and abhor racism. I love my Filipina American wife and our son from our marriage and could care less what your race is.

The problem is many Americans are MORONS, who listen to talking points and follow some narrative from whatever side that the Media is peddling. Fox News is just as bad as MSNBC or InfoWars. Use your brain, read widely and then, hopefully, using common sense, realize the truth.

To sum it up, if you argue points that will subvert the COTUS, you aren't my friend and you are trying to destroy the American Constitutional Republic (not a Democracy, by the way) which is on life support.

The hatred for the Taxed Enough Already party was the only thing the R's and D's can agree on.

Now we know why...fascism was their mutual goal all along.

They've been moving that direction for a long time, they have just greased the skids a bit more now.

Are you for real?

Tea partiers' only agenda is to support and vote for politicians that hold views similar to theirs. You don't see them flooding society, colleges, universities and media with actions of political correctness and "social justice".

Is it so hard to criticize the commonplace left on its own without bringing up an unrelated conservative group as a buffer from criticism?

Who are you replying to?

awesome.

And I bet you think that if you resent something everyone should immediately do all they can to make it go away - whether it's real or not.

Or Chinese Communism.

they should ban games about planets destruction. It is far bigger evil than some confederate flag.

What they are doing is no different than what Hitler did in the 1930s with his Hitler Youth. The Tea Party preaches hatred, misogyny, intolerance and the supremacy of the white race. They are radical christian lunatics, period. The Tea Party should be banned. Banned. The police, the army, SOMEONE needs to round them up, they should be arrested, tried for treason and all found guilty. Every damn last one of their pasty white racist asses. This country doesn't need a gaggle of militaristic, white-only, racist mad men running around screaming about our Leader Obama like rabid animals. Sorry folks, but it's 2015 and we do not tolerate non-diverse bigoted anti-Feminist scumbags that preach hate. Arrest them, shoot any who fight back or try to run and give the rest a fair trial where they are found guilty and locked away for the rest of their bigot lives. PERIOD

Come on over to my home and try to enforce it. Please!

>>Sorry folks, but it's 2015 and we do not tolerate non-diverse bigoted
anti-Feminist scumbags that preach hate. Arrest them, shoot any who
fight back or try to run and give the rest a fair trial where they are
found guilty and locked away for the rest of their bigot lives. PERIOD<<

The spirit of Joe McCarthy.

Much as I think the tea party is a bunch of hypocritical gits and a blight on society, I'd like to point out the irony of having a military or police force rounding up and arresting a political group because they're too much like nazis...

Not correct we are not nazi you are the nazi for posting your political comments on a mobile game forum.

Self-awareness? Uh, negative!

I think he is too over-the-top to be serious. He's kidding.

Quite the little diatribe for someone who doesn't like racists and bigots. Also, as far as I know it isn't illegal to dislike feminists. In fact only about 20% of Americans identify as feminists.

The assumption is that this is satire. But there are people stupid enough for this to be serious.

Wow, I hope to never meet you in person. You are really mental!!!

As an openly bi male, who has been to three different TEA party rallies with both of my partners, your "description" is an absurd, hateful, bigoted caricature.

Religion does not matter (politically) to any of the other TEA party people I've spoken to. Nor do they preach white supremacy, misogyny, or any other form of bigotry.

Which makes your proposed "solution", and your mention of the Hitler Youth, all the more ironic. You're demanding a Night of the Long Knives against American citizens, you filthy brown shirt.

Yes, it is much more logical to burn your house down to get rid of a spider than hit it up with a rolled up newspaper.

No surprise that gaymerX would try to justify every absurd excess done in the name of "social justice."

Apple is supposedly removing the flag on a case by case basis but I'm sure there are people will challenge each case and will still be upset with Apple's decisions. Tim Cook is a Southerner so he must be looking at it from a Southerner's perspective. However, I know he can't possibly represent every Southerner.

"and chose to declare war unnecessarily and unconstitutionally."

Lincoln never "declared war" against the South. He simply waged it. To ask Congress for a declaration of war would have been to legitimize the Confederacy as a foreign nation which Lincoln would not do.

Lincoln chose to use force to keep the South in the union out of the belief that they did _not_ have the legal right to secede. I am with you, I believe they did have the right to secede even if they were doing so for the wrong reasons (Slavery).

Also the Confederacy attacked the United States when they bombarded Fort Sumter which is what started the Civil War. So the Confederacy actually started the Civil War not the North.

The people who raised the flag to defend the right to own slaves decided what it means.

I am a huge fan of Lincoln. But you are wrong Slavery was way down on his list for going to war.

I don't think I made Lincoln look like a demon; I see him in the same light as many politicians. I believe he did what he thought was right even though it went against the Constitution. The problem here is the same in most arguments: there's right and wrong on both sides. I didn't feel the need to say that all men are equal and that I don't want to own slaves myself because none of this is personal. It's the same reason I don't (as a white male) apologize to every other ethnicity I see because at some point Caucasians were jerks to them. The history is interpreted facts, and the facts are important not me personally. I was trying to inform people of the facts about why some people see the "rebel flag" as about state's rights when others only see racism in it.

The constitution isn't a perfect document. That's why it has been amended and continues to grow. A situation can arise where taking action to enforce one facet would violate another. Keep in mind that the Declaration of Independence isn't a legal document binding the U.S. to certain rules, it's a statement of intentions. The Constitution on the other hand is the basis for how our government works. It's the pinnacle of yes or no in questions about what both our federal and state governments can and can not do. Your argument would be better served using the Bill of Rights against other parts of the Constitution instead, but I understand your point.

What a flag declares is in the opinion of the person viewing it which may be different than the intent of the persons who put it there. There are reasons for each side (racism, historical pride, and state's rights) to see it and intrpret it as they do. Each has valid arguments. Society is currently overreacting (in my personal opinion) to the terrible shooting. Removing the flag won't prevent racism or tragedies Keeping it doesn't help either.

I think it's the same with racism as it is with homophobia: once the older generations die off with time no one will be left who cares about the issue, and it will fade as long as we ignore the occasional loud outburst from the dying viewpoint.

No, it isn't. And that flag's meaning isn't "disgusting" in itself.

No, that is your interpretation of it's meaning. It all comes down to point-of-view. Example: a Muslim jihadist looking at an American flag will probably not be humming "the Star-Spangled Banner" or feeling all warm and fuzzy. No, they will want to burn it, which will make me feel like burning them, because that's my flag; it represents me, to an extent. The same is the case with the CSA flag: it represents a part of these people, whether historical or ideological. The beautiful part of this is the freedoms we enjoy, in America, to express ourselves individually. I don't own slaves, I believe that it is abhorrent and am grateful that it is illegal. I will, however, teach my kids about the Civil War and how, while neither side was righteous, the proper side won for the betterment of our country.

Wrong again.

The Confederate flag was a BATTLE flag. The average rebel soldier could not afford a pair of shoes. Let alone slaves. The war was fought over, generally speaking, state rights. Slavery did not become an issue, until the North was DESPERATE and on the verge of loosing the war. I'm surprised how ignorant people, like yourself, are on the subject of HISTORY (and MANY other subjects).

I believe the Asian temple thing you're referring to is flipped. It is commonly mistaken as the Nazi symbol but it's like a mirror image. Don't quote me on it though.

Dailon is correct. The Nazi symbol is a twisted swastika. The swastika is an ancient Asian symbol. It is considered auspicious. Another example of something stolen by Europeans and used for an unsavory purpose. Know your history.

No its just faster and easier to remove them all then to make a usage policy, check each app with it and test it against the Usage Policy Apple makes. Then later go back and judge each one on the merits on a case by case basis.

It is still banned in Videogames. In fact, it is not allowed to show a NS symbol in public at all.

The flag is a symbol, a symbol used by people. The people had a reason for it. Taking down the symbol is the first step in explaining to the public that the reason for putting up in the first place is wrong, and changes people's thinking.

I blame society too, but for completely different reasons than you do. It's the people who put the flag up I hold partially responsible so the flag best come down.

But making this a discussion about society is pointless. All reasonable people across all political spectrums think this is a good idea, and a few of us even think this is a mistake, not some overreach. The confederate battle standard in context of the civil war is completely appropriate, unlike waving it over the state capital.

Doesn't matter which public property it's over, if all you have is that I got the location wrong, then I see why you resorted to insults rather than debate. The flag is a heritage of hate and needs to come down everywhere... except civil war games. 😉

When I say it should come down b/c the people want it to I do not mean I think it should. It should not, however if people vote as such I can "accept" it coming down. A self-righteous bureaucrat should not.

Wrong.

Taking down the Confederate flag is the first step in creating revisionist history where we hide the reminders of atrocity and pretend that it didn't happen. With the evidence gone we can say anything we want about what happened.

The reason for putting it over a cemetery is to show... THIS IS DEAD! Without the association to it being dead... it is not. Humans have short memories, and are trained to have even shorter attention spans. We need these reminders right in front of us, or we do the same stupid thing again, and history repeats itself.

"All reasonable people across all political spectrums think this is a good idea"

Uhm, no.

Some people across some political spectrums think this is a good idea. I am a reasonable person, and I think it is asinine that we are spending time, money, and energy worrying about this when there are so many other worthwhile, world changing things we could be doing with those resources.

Removing a flag from a cemetery will have NO net effect on the amount of racism in this country. So reasonableness dictates that we focus our resources where it will matter, not on the appearance...

Ignorant leftist, but I repeat myself.

Only ignorant person is you.

its a damn game! there's no reason to ban a GAME that has a confederate flag. In real life yes, but a game? No.

Good point. Apple should also ban all the history textbooks at the schools that use iPads.

PC can also mean political correctness.

Yes, but we have yet to reach the book of history's losers. IF the nazis had won, nobody would be banning their flag. They lost, and the Germans replaced a symbol of hate and even went as far as to make it illegal, (here we have a case of a company deciding its won policy). I don't understand all the defense given to this symbol, that represents racism. And for future reference - you're adding a very unrelated issue to the mix, because the discussion with the southern flag deals with issues particular to the United States and the history it has with oppressing a group of people based on their skin color.

A lot of history involves war. Lots of killing and death. Even now in the 21st century the human race continues to kill and make history through tragedy. Offensive and mean-spirited, but some of that history is why you exist.

Can you deal with that?