Earlier today, we assumed FOX soft launched the upcoming Family Guy: The Quest for Stuff. Folks on our forums, as they always do, downloaded the game, and started posting impressions and videos. Instead of embracing this sort of community activity, FOX apparently decided to go totally nuclear, shutting down absolutely everything they could that had to do with the game being posted anywhere.

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TouchArcade forum member HansKaosu was first on the scene with his video, and others quickly followed. Now, before we go any further with this story, keep in mind, Family Guy: The Quest for Stuff was fully available for download earlier today. No tricks were needed, nothing was stolen or otherwise pirated. Instead, people with New Zealand App Store accounts were just downloading the game like any of us download these games, direct from the App Store without any other associated drama. Hell, this sort of activity is the entire basis of how we do Wednesdays around here, which have turned in to our most exciting day of the week. The New Zealand App Store is no secret.

The following then happened, which is pretty typical, as I've often found myself explaining to traditional publishers how the App Store works when they don't understand how I downloaded their game:

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HansKaosu here then went away from his computer, and returned to an actual copyright claim filed by FOX against his YouTube account:

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So, the video on YouTube was toast, which isn't much of a surprise considering how hostile of an environment YouTube has been lately for anyone who isn't aggressively pursuing copyright claims... But what especially shocking that FOX went one farther and got his Twitch channel shut down where he had briefly streamed the game:

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In my opinion, this kind of action against iOS gamers who are merely excited to be playing your game is so ridiculously inappropriate for a publisher to be taking I don't even know where to start. Copyright claims are serious business. Getting someone's entire Twitch channel shut down is a drastic measure. The only reason this didn't happen to the TouchArcade channel today was because I was too busy with all the news we were posting this morning to download the game in time... Otherwise, I'd be right next to everyone else with a nonexistent Twitch channel and a copyright strike on our YouTube account.

FOX, "technical error" or not your game was available for download. No one is stealing anything, violating any copyrights, or anything else ridiculous like that. Recording or streaming video of a game that's able to be downloaded from the actual App Store, regardless of region, is about as fair use as you get. This is incredibly abusive to the Family Guy fan base, as well as to anyone who was actually stoked enough for the game this morning to go out of their way to start participating in community discussions about it and posting gameplay video.

This sort of thing shouldn't be tolerated, but, I guess when you're as big as FOX you can basically do whatever you want.

  • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

    your quick! Thanks for telling my story. Now to wait for reactions.

    • VirtualBoyFreak

      This is standard behaviour by dumb press responsibles who think they are the owners of the world and consider the rest are guilty of THEIR mistakes. If they accidentally published the game before expected, bad luck for them. I hope this situation is publicly criticized not only here and in other webs, but in printed media, so that "FOCKS" press responsibles (whom I'm sure are behind all of this) learn the lesson and rectify their attitude... Good luck for you with your banned account. I hope they un-ban it ASAP.

    • chief78

      Holy crap, whole political debate aside, that sucks any way you cut it. I'm curious if they'll get McFarlane to do some animated apology. It doesn't matter political views, simply replying as "nice" as they did and then to turn around and stomp on your head......they need to be taught a lesson or 5 in manners. For a major corporation, that is a piss poor way to respond.

    • anabolicMike

      So HansKaosu what is the plan of action? Do I not download the game and tell people the story? Do I download the game, give it a one star rating and write a review on what they did? How can we make a difference here! It's one thing to ask you to remove it kindly and then another to get your accounts closed over something that has nothing to do with copyright. No copyright violation there....

      Tell me how to proceed because I am in! No pushing people around Fox!

      • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

        Do what ever you want. I dont want to lead any angry mobs with pitch forks. I dont want waste any more braincells on this matter.

        I feel bad for TinyCo that have to deal with such an awful publisher.

        If i get my twitch channel back im satisfied.

        also i hope they remove all those blocks from people.

    • Diaboliq

      Thanx for the heads up, no way im giving them my money now, glad this is out there before i paid them, everyone should do the same... Copyright claim for playing a game you bought and getting other people excited... You should be ashamed of yourself

    • HansKaosu

      My channel is now back! Thanks everybody! <3

    • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

      My Twitch account is back as of last night. Thanks everybody <3

  • Albert Menefee

    Well Fox you had your chance, your fifteen minutes of fame. Rather than banning it and casting it aside you should have embraced it. That might have been much better. Instead we are all going to stop talking about your game and completely ignore anything having to do with it. (Not) Nice knowing you.

    • rangent

      Contrary to what I see a lot of people saying here, I think that if you really do want to sink the game, you *should* download it, just so you can give it a 1-star rating.

      • grammatonfeather

        Let's all download the game and give it a hostile review explaining why because fox would be too dumb to understand if we didn't explain it clearly. This is what happens when you have a company run by lawyers and bean counters.

      • Cookies

        That's how companies are run...

      • worldcitizen1919

        Downloading it would only make the jerks who pulled this stunt say to their bosses ' see boss, I told ya it would be a hit despite our small stuff up just look at the million downloads in such a short time'. You can give it bad press, bad reviews and on top of that a disaster launch.

      • rangent

        I've recent been informed this is a very bad strategy for making a point. The business is apparently driven by the number-of-downloads metric, and especially for a game with the kind of marketing funding Family Guy will have, won't much be effected by the one-disgruntled-guy-gave-me-1-star metric. Contrary to my contrary opinion, I now think it's actually better to just ignore the game now. :-/

  • mclifford82

    Will TouchArcade still be covering this game (outside of this current story, that is)? I hope everyone does what they can to let FOX know that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. Including no coverage, voicing their opinion through social media and ultimately by avoiding the game at all.

    I feel that this will just remain a hope though, as most don't feel their voice matters enough and will just shrug their shoulders and download it anyway.

    • JJE McManus

      I second this thought entirely.
      No review, no stream, no "How to play FG cheap" until anyone caught in FOX's muscle flexing gets their Twitter accounts back and any Youtube strikes removed.

    • deMorg.music

      This is the The attitude we must adopt regarding all media. Gaming is already headed the way of popular music and Hollywood filmmaking. Luckily, we have indies and it's increasingly feasible to divorce ourselves from the innovation squashing publishers. Art should driven by the creation itself, not the profit margin.

  • bigjack66

    Well everyone knows Fox is run by a bunch of right wing pricks who get annoyed at anything and everything. Unless the game was really bad then surely showing videos of it beforehand allows people to decide wether they like it or not and give a sense of anticipation! They're behaving like a lot of big companies who get annoyed by things that may actually help sell their product and automatically adopt a combatative litigious stance as a normal state without thinking of the negative aspects of their behaviour because they don't give a shit!

    • markymarkanddafunkybunch

      "Right wing pricks" source? Get out of here with that bs talk. Touch arcade not cnn

      • Jacob007

        Looks like you fall under that category as well. It's simply the truth.

      • Holcman

        Haha, have fun with your increased taxes for the majority of people, a larger, oppressing government, and a future bad economy. Oh wait, this is TouchArcade, not a political debate.

      • markymarkanddafunkybunch

        I said source. What are your sources? Who are the right wing pricks? I hate political trolls

      • Donny K76

        If you hate political trolls, Sean Hannity should be right up there.

      • Larni69

        Maybe not Fox Network but Fox News (on the Fox Network) is a well known Republican mouthpiece: they ARE a bunch of fundamentalist pricks.

      • mclifford82

        And some of those people may also enjoy iOS gaming and should be able to do so without ridicule. Leave your bullshit at the door. We're all here to have fun gaming, not get involved in your petty political squabbles.

      • C. Stubb

        Not to take sides here, but just as an observance: the Internet (generally) is not a friendly environment for the conservative point of view. (In my own personal experience not saying I'm one or the other disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer blah blah blah…)

      • Larni69

        I've no problem with Conservatism. But Right wing fundamentalist? Totally different thing.

      • bigjack66

        Not having a problem with conservatism is your problem right there because they're a bunch of greedy, rich right wing pricks they always have been and always will be. They're the problem with Britain and America. Fox is a bunch of right wing pricks. You want sources try opening your eyes and brain!

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        You obviously have NO idea what Conservatism is, other than what you have been spoon-fed by whatever media you consume. But you keep on raging, it's incredibly amusing.

      • DtheGOPkiller

        Your right. The GOP and tea party freaks are not Conservatives. Those don't exist in the party anymore. Now they are the far far right John Birch society loony tea party freaks. That's ALL the GOP is anymore period.

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        Conservatism is not Republicanism. One does not equal the other. Political issues are not black and white, they're all varying shades of grey.
        But I'd rather discuss the topic at hand, which contrary to some opinions, has nothing to do with politics.

      • bigjack66

        I don't consume any media I see what's in front of my face the Tories are a bunch of greedy right wing scumbags that's the end of it from the sounds of it I bet your American a lot of whom are a bunch of right wing nut bags anyway!

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        And I'll bet you're British, but I won't hold that against any other Englishmen I might meet.

      • mclifford82

        I understand, and I actually don't think the internet isn't a very friendly environment to anyone, but your point is well taken. I just think we should focus on our common interest in this space (iOS gaming) rather than begin infighting over something that can be left alone.

      • Larni69

        Fair enough.

      • C. Stubb

        Awww. So we can all be friendly people here after all :)

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        They give a voice to Republicans - so what? Why are you so afraid of an opinion that's different than your own?

        I know why.

      • Holcman

        That... Is probably the best comment I read so far. The reason why people argue against other groups are because they don't like the differences compared to themselves, and they're scared of change. This in history has led to many wars, whether it be religious or political, along with many petty conflicts, such as this one.

    • agaetis181

      Libtards, not even once.

    • fiddlecub

      It's almost certain that FOX News employees, and News Corp upper management, have nothing to do with this particular action. More likely, those kinds of people aren't even aware of it. You write as if Rupert Murdoch himself has called for the closing of the Twitch channel. As it is, FOX Interactive's daily decisions are not made by the people who drive FOX News' political biases, no more than they are writing Simpsons episodes.

      No reasonable person would think that the politics of FOX have something to do with this decision. It's a bad decision, but your post speaks as much to your own paranoia as it does to to FOX Interactive's poor choices.

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        Kudos. You just said the same thing I posted, better than I, using brevity. Good job. +1

      • coolpepper43

        Well, maybe not Rupert Murdoch but Rupert the bear definitely had something to do with this.

    • dalglir

      Wait! Lemme get some popcorn!

  • markymarkanddafunkybunch

    Petty

  • http://afterpad.com/ Kevin MacLeod

    What a joke. Whatever gains there were to withholding release a couple of days could NOT have been worth the complete evaporation of goodwill this type of thing causes.

    The last thing you want to do right before release is suck all the life and enthusiasm out of your biggest fans.

    • Dueler

      Exactly.

      • Zeillusion

        They're called the right for a reason, because there right. (:

  • vai_levar_no_cu

    inverted logic. ban everyone, and people talk even more about your app...

    • merrickal

      ... And when it's out, bet people won't even bother to download it. No one will want to in case it's another 'accident'.

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        Um, this app is gonna be number one about 30 seconds after it officially hits the app store. This incident isn't gonna make a single ripple in that ocean.

      • Design by Adrian

        Sad but true.

  • Droog

    You know what really grinds my gears? That!

    • ThePersonDerp

      Best comment so far.

  • TrencH

    That was really crappy of them. The game was up for what i thought was a soft launch.

    Do they not realize that they shut down the people that were getting us excited to check it out? Good game or not this leaves a bad taste in my mouth and my enthusiasm dropped.

    Plenty of other fish in the sea and with less rude people behind the games. Maybe now people wont do twitch on other games by Fox so they don't worry about losing accounts.

    Isn't that the opposite of what you want to do to get people excited and hype up a game you are trying to get people to play?

  • CzechCongo

    Fuck you, FOX.

    Nothing else is required to say, IMHO.

  • Larni69

    Poor show, indeed. It makes me think of certain films that do not allow pre screenings because it will harm sales if reviewers see the low quality of the film. I can't imagine that this Family Guy game is in the same boat. I can't imagine that at all.

    • Themostunclean

      Video game review embargoes work much the same way. Although now it's such a common practice, even good games have embargoes.

  • Jacob007

    No matter how good this game is, I'm not getting it. Absolutely ridiculous on FOX's part.

  • david_loqheart

    This is why a traditional media company has no idea what they're doing in the mobile gaming space. Besides, it's their own fault for releasing it early.

  • Flare_TM

    I am no longer going to download or spend a penny on this game, who's with me?

    • stormy8888

      I am

      • markymarkanddafunkybunch

        You guys are really gonna put a dent

      • Flare_TM

        and it's people like you that let these types of companies get away with BS like this, we really need more people like you (not)

      • markymarkanddafunkybunch

        Pffft. Mkay. First world problems much?

      • Cookies

        That's not even remotely what that meme means.

    • Design by Adrian

      Download and give it 1 star!

  • KosMos005

    Ok this is going way too far why would they shut down a channel thats advertising them well this looks like the flappy bird thing they will talk for long about it lets just forget this and dont cover their story its best if we show them what it is to do their own work advertising the game instead of working for them for free

  • terryterryd

    When your game starts out as an IAP-a-thon, you do not want to be alienating extra people on top of those already un-interested. Highly unlikely to have considered a pro-IAP style game anyway : But now, I would probably not consider a Fox game in the future if this is what they are like as a company! Booooo!

  • Eseres

    Of all the weird stuff I've seen when it comes to Family Guy, this really takes the cake :D The only difference about this, is that this happened outside the cartoon LOL. I can't belive people got their accounts shut down and so on because of an error they didn't cause. FOX should just let it slip and if they really had to blame anyone, they should've blamed the App Store, not the innocent users... Copyright or not, Im on the users side on this matter.

  • apgeorge69

    I can't help but think that Hans should have just done what it looks like they politely asked him to do. If someone ignored my request after I asked nicely I'd be pretty pissed off too. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but ignoring them kind of made Hans the jerk in this case. I'm now prepared to receive the hateful backlash this comment may cause.

    • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

      I was not home when i got the take down request.

      • apgeorge69

        Oh, that sucks then. The article made it sound like you just walked away from your computer after they said it was a mistake. I hope you get your account back man. I can understand blocking your video on YouTube but I thought the Twitch ban was extreme. What violation of terms of service did Twitch site? Can you fight it?

      • apgeorge69

        *cite*

      • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

        I was away for like 2 hours. if i had been home i would have taken down the video.

        the twitch channel was just closed without warning or anything.

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        Now If I were you, I would A) be extremely pissed at Twitch for taking such draconian measures against me, and B) be pouring over the Terms of Service to see exactly where that penalty is spelled out. Have you been in touch with them, and explained the situation to them - that you were unable to remove the video because you had no access to your account? 'Cause it seems kinda BS on their end if you didn't even receive an e-mail alert that one of your videos was in violation of their TOS, and that your account was in danger of being suspended.

    • mclifford82

      Except they had no right to go *beyond* asking him. It was not Hans fault, period. Either they or Apple made the game available early. Are they going to IP ban the people that downloaded it so that the game stops working? Nope. Just punish those that "spoiled" the surprised in their eyes.

      There's no hate here, I just fail to see how you can put the blame on someone who downloaded a game from the App Store and wanted to share it. Are you suggesting that he should have emailed FOX and said, "Hey guys, did you really mean for this to come out already?"

      That doesn't make much sense in an industry that soft launches nearly every game. Also, whether or not Hans is "jerk" is entirely irrelevant. They got his Twitch channel taken down due to a copyright claim, as well as his YouTube account. Do you have any idea what actually happens when you get a copyright strike against your YouTube account? You can have a lot of your broadcasting features removed entirely, and not always temporarily.

      FOX went WAY over the line on this one, and all over a copyright violation that did not exist in the first place. There was no NDA. There was no embargo. Either they or Apple messed up and this guy paid the price.

      So tell me again why Hans is a jerk. Show me what harm he has caused FOX.

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        In the case of the Twitch channel shutdown, it seems like that's on Twitch to me, as the pic plainly reads 'violates terms of service'. You know, that thing you click the 'OK' button on without reading it. What are Twitch's TOS exactly, when it comes to copyright violations claims? I find the rage-ranting of 'FOX SHUT DOWN MY TWITCH CHANNEL! UNFAIR!' amusing. The series of events to me seems to be: someone screwed up and posted the app prematurely. This guy downloaded said app, and posted his gameplay, etc. FOX emailed him and politely asked him to remove said videos. He was unable to do so in a timely manner (exactly how much time elapsed between the polite request and the C&D order? Anyone know?), and so the lawyers send him a C&D, and Youtube and Twitch get copyright violation flags. YouTube removes the offending video (they DO NOT SHUT HIS CHANNEL DOWN), and then TWITCH shuts down his ENTIRE CHANNEL as per their TOS.
        So it would seem to me, this guy got caught in the gears of the Machine. He's not bring singled out by FOX's legal dept; I would venture that everyone who streamed gameplay from the FG app got the same thing - a polite request to remove them until the general release day, and then a C&D if that request was ignored. I would be extremely pissed that Twitch shut down my entire channel on the basis of one video, unless that's explicitly stated in their TOS. Then it's on me for not taking it down. I find it a tad unbelievable that Twitch lacks the ability to shut down or block a single stream/video on their service. Usually a single violation isn't enough to get you slapped with a ban (even YouTube requires several violations before they suspend an account).
        There's two sides to every story, I'm just wondering if we're hearing the whole story from this guy's side of things.

      • mclifford82

        I was in the middle of replying to you (and thank you for being civil) when I noticed Hans' reply above. I'll let him speak rather than continue to speculate on the matter.

      • John D Kurilla

        Just an aside, but it doesn't matter if the game was released early or not. A copyright holder has the "right" to decide when or if at all their product is broadcast to the public. Yes they are jerks for proceeding this way and it may not be in their best interest here we are.

      • Xexist

        What about fair use?

      • AdamJ23

        That's false just as an aside

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        Um, wrong. A copyright violation exists if you don't own the rights. Period. All that other stuff you mentioned is irrelevant. If you don't hold the license to a copyright, it's a violation: end of story. It's the law. There's no 'fair use' of a property you don't own, in this case. Which is probably why Twitch simply shut down his channel, since their whole existence depends on the goodwill of the copyright holders who's property is streamed on their network.

      • mclifford82

        Go look up fair use. Then come back and explain all the Let's Play videos that exist (of pretty much any game you can think of) without being taken down. I'd provide a link, but doing so triggers TA's moderation and the post won't show up for a while. I replied to John D Kurilla above with the same thing, but that post has yet to show up and it's been ten minutes or so.

        It's fairly easy to find on The Google.

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        Well, in this case I would say although 'fair use' applies when there is a non profit entity involved (which is the case here, since he obviously isn't making money off it), it doesn't apply when the owner feels it may be detrimental to the market or value of the material:
        "The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work".
        Fair use is an extremely slippery slope. You can certainly post snippets of gameplay in a review, but if the owner of the game asks you not to, you pretty much don't have a leg to stand on, because all the owner of the rights has to say is that a) you don't have permission to post it, and b) posting it is harmful to the value or your product. You don't have to prove it - the law is written to protect copyright holders.

      • Cookies

        It's not about what the owner feels. Youtube and twitch may not reflect the law (read: don't) but it actually sides with the person claiming fair use. Innocent until proven guilty as the old saying goes. The copy right holder has to give a better reason than 'miscelaneous assumed bullshit that we don't actually believe.'

      • joaquin_ondamoon

        From US copyright law Section 107, which deals specifically with 'fair use':

        "Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

        The purpose and character of the use, including 1) whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
        2) The nature of the copyrighted work
        3) The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
        4) The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work"

        "The distinction between what is fair use and what is infringement in a particular case will not always be clear or easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission."

        "The safest course is to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.
        When it is impracticable to obtain permission, you should consider avoiding the use of copyrighted material unless you are confident that the doctrine of fair use would apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine whether a particular use may be considered fair nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney."

        That sounds a lot like, "If you don't own the copyright, don't use it" to me.

        So yes, you can post part of a playthrough, as long as it's not for profit, or as part of a critique. But you can't post copyrighted material without express permission, and you certainly can't if you were asked/told not to. There is no 'burden of proof'. The proof is, "We own this copyright, we don't want you to use it." The law was written to protect the copyright holder, and not the person who seeks 'fair use' of the copyright.

      • Cookies

        That may well be what it sounds like to you, but in no way does that support your argument. Saying the safest course of action is to obtain permission is not the same as "If you don't own the copyright, don't use it" at all. The entire purpose of the idea of Fair Use is actually to protect people using copyrighted material and create a legal basis for doing so, so long as they comply with a number of essentially simply rules. Copyright Law in general is aligned with the interests of copyright holders yes, but the Fair Use policy is not. And technically, if you are claiming something is against fair use, then the burden of proof actually is on you and you have to provide evidence showing that the use was not 'fair' based on the 4 criteria posted above.

        Beyond that, one can take the logical stand point (a rather popular one in the world of law), which is that there would be no point in creating a Fair Use policy in the law if precedent was going to be given entirely to the copyright holder anyway.

        Like I said, Twitch and Youtube respond overly harshly to copyright claims, but their actions don't actually reflect the stance of the law.

  • Spaztika

    This has completely turned me off of wanting to play this game. I hope you're able to get your twitch account back HansKaosu.

    I'm hoping Fox's attitude blows up in their face.

  • JCho133

    Pretty surreal that this happened to one of our forum buddies

  • joaquin_ondamoon

    This is more than likely the work of the legal department at FOX, whose standard practice is probably to send out C&D orders to anyone who infringes on their properties. Lol-ing at the 'evil right-wing conspiracy' theorists. It's a drone in a cubicle sending out form letters to all offending parties, who's probably asking, "What is this? A game? We have a game? Someone's streaming that? What is that, 'streaming'? Is that like pirating? Are we getting paid for that? No? Let's stop that!"
    I think I'd be more pissed that Twitch shut down my entire channel, rather than block or ask me to remove the offending video. YouTube has a standard knee-jerk response to reported copyright violations: they simply remove the offending video, pretty much no questions asked. The threat of litigation has that effect on people. It's why Shakespeare wrote, 'First thing we do; let's kill all the lawyers.'

  • spokentruths772

    Well......it's not like the game is fun anyway but banning accounts? That's ridiculous and its going way too far over a free to play title full of IAP.What FOX doesn't realize is that their only hurting theirselves it's a shame too

  • worldcitizen1919

    I'll be looking to make sure I avoid ANY game from FOX. These people are/were your fan base to whom you are aiming this game at hoping for their full support. Well don't hope too much after treating us like CRIMINALS.

    Gamers who loved and wanted and were eager to play your game which you ACCIDENTALLY released is NOT GAMERS fault and treating them like common thieves and criminals will extract a stern response from those offended.

    Be sure myself and some others will spread word of your cut throat attitude towards us gamers and you will become renowned for being the world's BIGGEST BULLY an accolade you have definitely earned.

  • repapermunky

    I agree with this article completely. I don't need to add anything, as it was all said perfectly. FOX has made fools of themselves.

  • Jake7905

    FOX seems to have found a great way to alienate the IOS community, in one idiotic master stroke they've insulted both media and gamers alike. I hope they realize that the goal of producing a game is to get people to want to play that game. Count me out.

  • mrmoobz

    It's probably some sort of publicity for them...

  • http://www.deltaattack.com/ Fade to Slack

    Let's see what happens after it officially launches rather than break out the torches and pitchforks.

    This doesn't sound that different from a review embargo, which is lame in and of itself, but perfectly within their rights.

  • CDRwasabi

    Not getting my download either. Don't care how good the game is or isn't.

  • benadvanced

    FOX just lost out on my money. I don't support companies like this.

  • Oranje

    They asked him nicely to take it down until the April 10th, this was at 8.24 PM. Obviously he hadn't walked away from the computer by that time as at 8.26 PM he asked why it was on the App Store.

    So at the time he walked away from the computer, presumably after 8.26 PM, he already knew that they wanted him to take the video down until at least April the 10th, as that request came at 8.24 PM. Therefore this 'I wasn't at my computer' excuse does not appear to be entirely honest.

    • wingsofdestiny89

      I think u missed the point.

    • Guest

      I was away for 2 hours. when i got home to read the message it was already to late.

      • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

        lol why did i post as a guest

      • Oranje

        I don't know what's going on with twitch, but for YouTube, if you left after reading their 8.24 message, then you knew they wanted you to take the video. If you had left prior to 8.24, then TA has written in a misleading way as it appears as you left after asking them why the game was on the App Store at 8.26 PM.

      • https://www.youtube.com/HansKaosu HansKaosu

        i left when i sent the first message

  • dalglir

    Absolutely screw these guys. I am never playing the Family Guy app. This is as*hattery of the highest order.

  • ste86uk

    It is pretty sad and pathetic being only one day early and it being their own fault to begin with. You'd think videos would make people more excited for the game, unless it looks terrible.

    But we all know mostly what we are in for already anyway.

  • gmattergames

    This is what occurs when corporate legal teams are empowered to proactively protect brand intellectual property. Guarantee this was not driven by Fox marketing, unless of course, the NZ release was, in fact, a mistake.

  • C. Stubb

    Regardless about what went on between the video-posters and FOX, I feel bad for the actual developers. It's extremely likely they had nothing to do with this decision, and now their game is caught in the middle of this. Nobody likes bad publicity, but thanks to FOX, that's exactly what they got in return for all their hard work.

  • durp

    Actually, Fox has now categorically denied the existence of a Family Guy IOS game, dismissed the mere idea of the so-called island of New Zealand as "a purely speculative invention of oversexed liberal minds", and declared in no uncertain terms that, until further notice, all your base are belong to us.

    I hope they don't shut off the internets, but that would be the next logical step.

  • besweeet

    Who's surprised by this? FOX does this crap all the time. They're obviously not very confident enough in their product enough to want people to see it.

  • Ahmed90

    Everyone who is anyone on TA has made their point. Now, as a Sheikh I'll post my quick protest for you all to follow.

    Give this game a 1 star. A hostage star if you will. Punish them on the App Store where it'll hurt.

  • DtheGOPkiller

    Well this made my decision on if I was going to download it or not. Now not.

  • trazer

    Well, I guess everyone can download just long enough to give it a one star rating....

    • BOWB4ZOD

      Agreed

  • rewind

    Wow, I am so pissed off. This is absolutely unacceptable in every way. I really hope this game fails.

    And as for the review and coverage, it should be fair. You still need to remain a credible site, because then your opinions will matter more, it'll be better in the long run, etc. But yeah, this really sucks.

  • Zeillusion

    Absolutely uncalled for. Great first impression aye?

  • Dueler

    Mistake or not Fox had an embargo set on the game. Gamers who got it early were effectively scooping the news sites who are supposed to bring in the interest and appeal for launch day.

    While I don't agree with foxes actions as many people have pointed out the game was officially available if not only due to a technical error. Fox should have bit the bullet and rode the mistake as a soft launch but instead decided to target people who had done nothing wrong.

    On a completely unrelated personal opinion I don't agree with Twitch anyway. I grew up in the VHS/DVD era and I will never forget the words "Not for public demonstration".

    • Roger Bobdog

      Embargoes aren't legally binding, especially if you don't agree to one. They released it officially, with absolutely no signs that it was up in error. Someone who downloaded it through official channels made a video of it, which is acceptable under fair use doctrine, and they went nuclear on him.

      Companies often try to suggest you don't have rights that you, in fact, do. "Not for public demonstration" is actually another one of those. As long as you aren't profiting from it, there's nothing legally wrong with public demonstration.

      • DtheGOPkiller

        Wow! A person who knows what they are talking about! Nice.

      • riChchestMat

        True. Spoken NDAs aren't worth the paper they're not written on. Once something is already in the public domain they no longer apply even when agreed to. However this is about copyright and fair use not an embargo.

  • Lamar Taylor

    Bad move by Fox with this negative publicity and attacking their own customers. They should have embraced the free advertising by gamers who BOUGHT THE GAME. It's not their fault it was released in another country and they had access.

  • bigjack66

    I've had enough of this crap it's just like the internet it's full of opinionated nut bags as well I hate it too.

  • Morphzeus

    Let us Fight back! I hope many people boycott this game, and nobody must cry by this Freemium crap! ;-)

  • bigjack66

    Family guy isn't even that good anyway! Neither is his other show American dad! I've watched several episodes and they're about as funny as a burning orphanage! Actually that was a poor analogy cause they are quite funny!

  • Rip73

    While the reaction by the publisher/developer was most certainly extreme, unfortunately as the copyright holder, it was within their rights, highlighted by the fact that both parties, YouTube and twitch, took them down.
    Its unfortunate for Hans and us as gamers as both his channels are extremely useful so hopefully Twitch have some kind of appeal process or he can set up another channel and, well, YouTube is just being YouTube and no real surprise there. They are random at best.
    However, it's still a bit of an overreaction here as well with political and extreme viewpoints coming to the surface on what is only just a game anyway, one that even if every single one of the unique monthly visitors to TA boycotted, it would just about have no impact on the numbers as this one will very soon equal and in all likelihood surpass The Simpsons Tapped Out.
    In which 50% of Americans carved a pumpkin in on Halloween 2012, that six months after release had 2.3 million active daily users and has topped out just about every international App Store paid list and had generated over 100 million dollars in its first year for EA. And continues to perform at the same high level.
    And every expectation is that this one will equal, if not better that, so you're all just fighting a battle you just can't win.
    And neither game will ever be prominent on this site because of their F2p nature and the attitude of many which are strongly opposed to that anyway.
    So, it's all a bit pointless to be arguing so much on this one here and venting against Fox and whoever else as it ultimately won't achieve anything.

    Perhaps throwing an email or question in to support at Twitch in support of Hans channel and asking for it to be reinstated, with the particular video removed, would be more productive.
    Something I'll be doing in the morning will be contacting them and explaining the situation to them properly and asking for a reinstatement of it.
    I recommend others do the same.
    Whether it'll achieve anything, I don't know, but it seems more useful.

    Hans, I wish you luck in getting your Twitch channel back, genuinely. Its a very useful resource and here's hoping that someone in support at Twitch will just remove the concerning video, see the value in your channel, show some sense and turn it back on again. Hopefully.
    As to your YouTube channel, I wouldn't worry about it. YouTube are random at best considering the number of pirated full movies that are up there and all the other crap that goes on there so a mark for that video won't change our opinion and we'll still be following you there.

    • Roger Bobdog

      Youtube and Twitch taking down the videos/channels isn't evidence that FOX was within their legal rights. Rather, it's evidence that Youtube and Twitch are not interested in the costs of going to court every time someone files a claim. Even if you're in the right, it's expensive to fight something out in court. Big companies use this tactic all the time to push around smaller entities. Even a big company like Google/Youtube would suffer death from a million paper cuts if they went to court over every dispute.

      You are right about all of this protest probably not meaning much at all in the long run, though. Family Guy is big, F2P building games are big, so the reactions of the hardcore crowd probably aren't going to amount to a lot. That doesn't mean we shouldn't complain, however.

      • Rip73

        Everybody is entitled to complain but as we both agree, the impact will be negligible.
        I don't disagree, it is unfair and nobody wanting to fight a court battle doesn't necessarily make it legal but it does demonstrate a question mark as to what the outcome would be anyway therefore making it a fruitless exercise.
        In much the same way as every forum member boycotting it would be or in much the same way as the monthly unique visitors boycotting it would be. Just a bit pointless in relation to the big picture.
        However, if all those with an impulse to comment here or in the forum on it, along with those intent on boycotting it because of this, would actually just contact Twitch explaining the scenario (in a reasonable manner), it might actually have a much bigger impact and at least contribute in some small way to the possibility of the person getting their channel back

    • Rip73

      If you choose to contact Twitch, throwing in a link or the content of this article would help to contextualise the matter to them and might go a long way to helping Hans out.

  • bluecomb84

    I hope other iOS gaming sites are covering this bs. It's not the fault of the gamer if the publisher releases a game earlier than anticipated. Instead of owning their mistake, FOX decides to completely tear down this poor guy's social media accounts. I'm already not a fan of FOX for personal reasons although I've never been "against" them, but this is ridiculous and I hope it gains enough exposure to make a difference in their sales and a dent in their already spotty reputation.

  • DoctorFedora

    To be fair, if you've ever wanted evidence that Fox has no respect for the people who watch Family Guy, all you have to do is watch an episode of Family Guy.

    • bigjack66

      Nah it sucks!

  • RunningWild

    Agreed. F-you Fox. Won't go near your 'game' if you can't treat your audience with respect.

  • BOWB4ZOD

    Let's all buy this game and rate it 1/5 stars.
    Show Fox we don't approve of their behavior.

    • Chungston

      Write a lengthy negative review

    • Lakers_Dodgers310

      Great idea...it may seem silly and pointless but having a voice and taking action never hurt. I'm going to rate the game one star and trash it in the reviews as my form of protest over their actions. Nobody likes a bully and crushing this poor guy who had no malice and was just an anxious fan is sickening.

  • deepblueocean84

    I'm boycotting this game, even though I was just as excited as everyone else. But what they did to Hans was a real dick move, and I don't like a bully. Fox needs to make piece with what they did.

    • deepblueocean84

      Peace*

  • nicoper

    This is like saying "Ban that guys [insert popular place to have an account on here] because he is uploading flappy bird videos but flappy bird isnt downloadable anymore." Seriously FOX, get your shit together, why wouldnt someone be allowed to upload a video of content that has been released. because it was only soft-launched in a few regions? That argument is invalid as FOX were the ones that launched it there. Where is this world going?

  • gnome9er

    speechless. like whats the point in even pulling it? dont they want people to empty out their itunes credits for iAP? thats the whole end purpose of publishing it in the first place. all they did was delay it.

  • Kane

    FOX are the BEST !!!

  • Goggles789

    "Getting someone'sentire Twitch channel shut down is a drastic measure." That's hardly drastic. It's a twitch channel.

  • ridiculocity

    Rupert Murdoch is a nazi. He used his newspapers and media to put the Abbott Liberal party into power by causing misleading headlines that pandered to scared, racist people in Australia. The Labour Govt were funding a National Broadband Network boasting massive speeds which would have impacted Murdochs FoxTel cable TV service so he played dirty.

    This story does not surprise me at all from these parasites. Just look at Fox News and you will understand their whole mantra in 5 minutes.

  • ridiculocity

    Leaving countless bad reviews on iTunes will hurt their business model.

  • september

    Good article

  • Cookies

    Fox are assholes. This is hardly surprising.

  • TheCalm1

    FOX ain't your parent's network anymore.

    I grew up right alongside Kelly and Bud (Married with Children), Bart and Lisa (The Simpsons), along with many other timeless people and places that were brought to my living room while growing up. FOX rocked, plain and simple.

    Back Then...

    Back when they knew they were the small fish in a very unwelcoming (UHF) pond dominated by CBS, NBC and ABC. But they held their 'ground' or idk 'stream' I guess, alongside these studio Koi, in the Carp section of Television programming. I'm talking UHF again, of course. FOX became successful by being the rebellious teen, the class clown and such. With they're fairly edgier kind of programming they were producing. But the real key to their success was the fact that they never took themselves to seriously, ever. Like really tho, any 80's kid can recall how Often we would hear a character from a show make some insulting comment about some 'second-rate' FOX network, or whatnot. It became almost like a tradition for whatever show was a hot buzz at the time. By making sure to knock down their very own studio a few
    notches while on screen kind of served like a control burn, in some ways, for them. After all, another network can't criticize something that FOX had already gotten quite a few laughs for.

    But that was when they were my parent's network.. and when they were my station.

    Family Guy/American Dad saved they're azzes from being decommissioned. So I understand why they would be so adamant in catering to anything 'The Family Guy' but these copyright actions they had taken to the degree that they did is straight [BLEEP]ed Up!

    Hey FOX.... Candy Crush much?

  • lazrhog

    Well I hope any request for game coverage is dealt with swiftly in the bin direction ...

    • blackharon

      Sadly - given the response and traffic to this post, I'm sure this isn't the last of TA's coverage of Family Guy. They'd be giving up too much to not let the discussion (read: Internet Hate) continue on their front page.

  • readysetboom

    I was looking forward to seeing and playing this game. I will not dl or purchase anything for family guy or fox until they apologize publicly.

  • Stormourner

    what does the FOX say? blockblockblockblockblockblockblock!!!!

    • nicoper

      If I would have been standing up when reading this I would have fell to the ground and started to laugh, too bad I werent

  • Piph

    Jesus, there goes all my excitement for that game. I'm not touching that thing with my big toe. If they want to be such big asshole, they can play with their toy by themselves.

  • mothman99

    I hope Fox does the right thing by compensating HansKaosu in some way for their behaviour.

    Moves like this only backfire and the resulting backlash will help deter anyone interested in playing the game.

    I'm a huge Family Guy fan and looked forward to playing this but am going to think twice before downloading.

  • the_rebel14

    Wow FOX. Good job being an absolute D-bag. In my books, seeing people excited about something that you have created is the most valuable thing to a game developer. After this ludicrous move, you give me no good reasons to download your game, for video or for my own personal enjoyment. At least we now know that it doesn't matter whether we write a praising review, create a video, or just play it ourselves, you will not care about how we enjoy ourselves as long as you get your money and fairness exacted on those you deem unworthy to play your game. Bad move, FOX. Bad Move.

    -The Rebel14

  • Alexythimia23

    Well i think the amount of comments already laid pretty much sum it up lmao fox... U can fox off

  • projectmoonlightcafe

    Never bought a Fox app, and after this incident looks like I never will.

  • WoodLoaf

    I can't wait until this family guy crap isn't on the front page. Worthless series that with an amateurish look that steals concepts wholesale.

  • grammatonfeather

    So the plan is to download the app and give it a really bad review yes?

  • pwnrest

    What prevents them from sending the violation after the game is released? I ask because I'm to start recording video game videos myself.

  • Ace43

    Won't download this game even when they decide that it's ok to download.
    Terrible response by FOX. You f***** up, it's not our fault, therefore we shouldn't be punished.

    Getting Twitch channels closed?! C'mon.

  • Rip73

    He has his Twitch channel back so everybody can relax now, situation sorted.

    • Clarkanoid

      It's "sorted" but the fact that they went to those lengths in the first place is still worthy of mention.

      • Rip73

        Well, funnily enough, they actually only did what they were legally entitled to under EU and US law.
        The fair play element of US laws greys the area a bit but there is still criteria for that which may or may not have been followed. Would need to see and probably more importantly, hear the videos to be sure. Actual commentary and actual review is one key part of fair play.
        Either way, while it was heavy handed to remove the Twitch channel, enforcing their copyright is legal but they should have just limited themselves to removing the particular videos from each medium.
        And ultimately, his twitch channel is live again so it is "sorted".

  • B-Rabbit

    It's FOX. Enough said. ;)

  • blindmuggy

    I will make sure that i know everyone who is involved and never get any of their stuff if we all do this and stick together we can make a difference

  • http://www.tap-start.com/ Mirkwood

    Well, thanks for making my decision easy FOX.

    I will not be downloading this game :)

  • HandsomeLuke

    Ugh ....

  • Goggles789

    They were simply protecting their intellectual rights, and acted within bounds of law. They didn't do anything wrong. This is not as big a deal as TA is painting it.

  • zoidberg590

    A blind man can see that the Youtube copyright system is completely broken and constantly abused. Time to step up, Google.

  • Frost

    Hans, everyone affected, you have my sympathy and support

  • CrazyEoin

    It's so disheartening to see and hear stories like this. Basically the publisher has no idea how the apps store works and then beings out the ban hammer to cover their incompetence. As a dev this makes me so sad, worried and apprehensive. I can only imagine what the developer went through with the publisher when this "error" came to light.

  • rmwebs

    You know if toucharcade really gave a damn, they'd boycot Fox and all their games...obviously that wont happen though, especially if some of their games are advertised here.

  • Corvak

    A better response would have been to notify Twitch of the issue NOT blanket issue DMCA violations. Twitch can send global popups to its users to notify them of games with a broadcast restriction. 99% of streamers will comply, as long as they know they aren't supposed to stream it.

  • PixelKhaos

    And as there was no NDA that had to be signed downloading released games, that means, legally, they can't do shit. They fucked up and people can share videos of it under creative commons (commentary and making the video "yours" with not just gameplay).

    So, protected by CC and being under no NDA, they did release a game in a region and can't legally do anything about it. Except if you use their ingame music, but if you voice over even that is fine.