Zen Bound - game commentaries

Discussion in 'General Game Discussion and Questions' started by NotYou, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. armen

    armen Well-Known Member

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    you are totaly wrong because it is not based on a volume but on a ratio. 1/1 = 100/100, moreover some games show the opposite.
    example, tower blox 3d, average = 3,5/5, first three review are 5/5 stars...
    the same for iDracula, and a lot more games... i guess they are also some reviews made by the author, some people said that big companies buy a lot of their games to make a lot of 5/5 stars reviews.

    your objection about biased review is pointless.
    for ZB it just means that a lot of people like it, just a few love it, and many people regret to bought it. how many people bought the game from the start?
     
  2. Frand

    Frand Well-Known Member

    Please check again. The three reviews shown on Tower Bloxx front page are the three customer reviews that have received the most votes, hence they are considered "most helpful".
     
  3. hirschy75

    hirschy75 Well-Known Member

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    i bought it from the start

    and can you stop arguing with the dev about this. he most likely knows more unless you for some reason work for apple or something like that since it is his game you are arguing about
     
  4. armen

    armen Well-Known Member

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    the dev asked us to vote for good reviews on his game. i am just telling him we can not do that because it is wrong, he has to accept bad reviews AND good reviews, and he should be happy because i am sure he sold 10.000 per day. he knows apple more i agree, but he wants more, more and more and i don't agree, do you?
     
  5. markx2

    markx2 Well-Known Member

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    I bought it from the start, am very happy with what I paid. I also recommended it to several people directly, twittered the url twice and posted the address in a couple of forums. No-one has said anything remotely poor about it - they all love it.

    It has the WOW factor for me still just like it also makes me smile.

    Quit giving the dev some grief and go play the games you do like.
     
  6. markx2

    markx2 Well-Known Member

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    No he did not. He just gave us information which we might find helpful. I certainly did not know it and it will help me help other game developers get the feedback they deserve. There is a LOT of difference between what was written and what you are saying was written.
     
  7. armen

    armen Well-Known Member

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    i did but it is just a coincidence, check out rolando, you will see i am right
    the ratio is more important than the volume
     
  8. hirschy75

    hirschy75 Well-Known Member

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    what did you read? he just told us that people who dont like the game are finding the negative reviews more helpful so he asked the people who do like it to do the reverse of what the other ones are doing.

    and how does he want more and more and more?
    that makes no sense at all

    if you dont like this game then dont do what he says, im sure he wont lose sleep over it

    and theres no way he's sold 10,000 a day
     
  9. Frand

    Frand Well-Known Member

    #449 Frand, Mar 8, 2009
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    This will be my last comment on this odd argument:
    1) I explained how to make votes count if anyone should decide to vote. Not once did I ask for votes. Feel free to re-read every post of mine.

    2) The game has not sold anywhere near 10 000 copies on any single day. If it did, there would certainly be no reason to dispute that.

    3) As already written in more than one post, we accept all constructive criticism and negative reviews. None of my posts have whined about any single consumer opinion being false or biased. The issue is with the iTunes system and how reviews are being selected to be shown on the front page. There is no clearer example I can give than the one speaking of 100 good vs. 3 bad reviews.

    To underline, giving a vote for a user review that has no previous votes is not beneficial in the context of the front page of the application in iTunes. Only the three reviews with most votes are displayed. Because of this, it creates a situation where the minority opinion is amplified.

    This is exactly the same for Rolando. The three reviews with the most user votes are displayed on the front page.
     
  10. hirschy75

    hirschy75 Well-Known Member

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    allright this is a weird argument but nice game so far and i just got to the last level on the first tree, so awesome!

    any updates on the new update?
     
  11. armen

    armen Well-Known Member

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    hig? are you working with him? remember the sales figure from iFart, how can you say he has not sold 10.000 a day?
     
  12. Frand

    Frand Well-Known Member

    Re-checked, you're right about the ratio vs. volume. This involves people also giving negative votes, which my observations and comments didn't include.
     
  13. don_k

    don_k Well-Known Member

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    That's 3 great points, Frand. It's really weird, I don't know what he's arguing about. Ah well, time to get some Zen :)
     
  14. Frand

    Frand Well-Known Member

    No news yet. The 1.1 update was submitted on the 4th of March, so hopefully we'll see it in a few days.
     
  15. gootch12

    gootch12 Well-Known Member

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    No no. Frand pointed out the discrepancy (and it IS a discrepancy, the smaller pool of negatives makes them disproportionately heavy-weighted. It ends up being misleading.). She (Frand, you are female, yes?) mentioned that "...if you ever give a thumbs-up to a five-star review, it helps if you pick one that already has a lot of votes."

    I suggested that we could make a difference. And I only suggested it "If you purchased Zen Bound and think it is great..." (emphasis added)

    So really, cut the devs some slack, again, all they said was:

    "...if you ever give a thumbs-up to a five-star review, it helps if you pick one that already has a lot of votes."

    That seems like a fair enough statement.
     
  16. ibelongintheforums

    ibelongintheforums Well-Known Member

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    shut up dude. he said he didnt sell 10,000 so he didnt. the top 3 sell that much, he was 9th i believe. get over it.
    frand, hows the update coming?
     
  17. armen

    armen Well-Known Member

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    #457 armen, Mar 8, 2009
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    this is a big lie!!! here are the rolando reviews order by most helpful

    1) 50 out of 62 customers found this review helpful
    2) 44 out of 59
    3) 37 out of 47
    4) 31 out of 43
    5) 24 out of 34
    6) 39 out of 145 (you see the ratio now ????)
    7) 19 out of 27
    etc...

    it is the same on a lot of games, so please stop lying, and stop crying... Apple does a great job and you should thank them and us instead of asking more help!
    I say you have sold 10.000 ZB a day because i saw the iFart sales figures, if it is not true just give us your sales figure or stop lying

    EDIT : ok Frand you have sold around 5000 a day, not 10.000, i checked again the sales figure and i was wrong, really sorry. but i am still right about the ratio :)
     
  18. Frand

    Frand Well-Known Member

    My beard says otherwise, sorry :D
     
  19. DHrox

    DHrox Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, think of the Metroid reveal, except it's a guy. Off topic.

    On topic; armen, where did you get those figures from? You have to give EXACT proof when you say someone is lying. Otherwise my BS Alert System will go nutso. That and do cut the dev some slack. I don't think he's going to lie to his loyal supporters.
     
  20. ibelongintheforums

    ibelongintheforums Well-Known Member

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    someone ban the guy please.............

    apples reviews are messed up
    rate on delete and all the other crap apple thinks of
    you really have drank the apple kool-aid huh?

    ifart sales were around christmas time which means more ipod sales, opening on x-mas, buying games, ifart bought
    and ifart was number one

    there is a GIANT distance between one to 9
    giant
    so no, he doesnt sell that much a day and why does that matter anyways?

     

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