Apple won't allow folders within folders. It's the exact thing they are trying to avoid in iOS. It's like having a bunch of trinkets spread out on a table. It's all at your finger tips which is what apple intended. However, it's difficult to find things and it takes up a lot of space visually. So they created folders so you could create little piles of things to organize the mess. Everything is still at your finger tips but in a more controlled way. Even in this way they had to make a concession with 12 apps in a folder over 9. I always put the least played games in the last three slots since they aren't visible. I tend to forget they are there since I can't see them. Putting a folder within a folder would make it near impossible to find things quickly without using Spotlight. It's one of the things apple focused on removing from the OS. Keeping everything visible and simple to use is why a 2 year old and a 90 year old can use an iphone/ipad. Just cause other phones have it doesn't mean apple should implement it. If that were the case we'd never have a full touchscreen device, an AppStore, and we'd be stuck using those same crappy Mobile browsers. Personally, I'd prefer smart folders and a way to tag games. An example would be Beat It! by Glu. Currently it's in my Puzzle Game folder but I'd love to have it in my Music game folder as well. If I could tag it with different modifiers I could find it anywhere it should be. Right now I have 2 pages of folders dedicated to games. Every space is a folder ranging from Board games 1, Board Games 2, Card Games, Knizia Games, RPG, RPG 2, SRPG, TD, Racing, Retro, Music, Puzzle, etc. I just can't understand why you would want to hide all your apps deeper and deeper into the file architecture when you could just swipe left and keep them visible. Why have 12 pages of space if you aren't going to use them?
No offence, but folders are user friendly, people do know how they work and being able to use them how they want to would please far more people than it would hurt. It's entirely optional, if people don't understand them they simply won't use them, exactly the same way they do with PCs. As much as you'd like to raise your intelligence above the general population, iPhones (and smartphones in general) aren't directly aimed at total ****ing idiots. ...and two folders deep is burdensome? The Wii isn't accessible? You're only making yourself sound like one of the idiots you're trying to distance yourself from.
The key is organization. Diving down into a hierarchical folder isn't as efficient as you may think. Dedicating 1 or 2 pages to games with one-click access is better in my mind. But the problem is that we all do things differently. You may enjoy doing it your way vs. my way. Should they cater to that? Probably. But it is what it is and I can't see the way it is now being that bad. Yeah, limiting it to 12 games per is pretty sad. If anything, they could have two views. One that showed you 12 icons, or one that works like the multi-tasking scroll view.
I love having my apps just one swipe or two clicks away. Have you ever tried to play Madden on Wii with three people? You have to find the disk & then put it in. Go to the game channel. Hit go. You have to get everyone their controllers. Then you take a poll to see who wants nunchuks. Then you have to connect them. I don't mean the Wii has difficulter controls. It is just burdensome with having to connect & disconnect the nunchuks all the time.
Well, I brought up how the Xbox was easier to set up than Wii, but tue guy said I was sticking my foot in my mouth.
find the disk and put it in - you have to do that for every console.. game channel --> go - you're trying to make that sound more complicated than it is nunchucks - ok so they're annoying, but they're not hard to understand how to use?
They just take forever. The Xbox- put in the game. Sign in. Play. One Controller. The Wii has 5 different controllers.
Exactly, I mean yes, I'd love to have them in one place but the 9 apps per icon is barely visible as is. Past that you wouldn't be able to see what's in the folder (which is why I keep the games I play the least to slots 10-12) It's not just a limitation for kids and older folks either. It's a design decision that makes the OS accessible to everyone, even those that have never touched a computer before. What's easier? Seeing a folder labeled Games, tapping it to open a subset of folders, tapping on the RPG folder, opening another subset for "Best of", then tapping on the game you want? or Having all the folders laid out in front of you, being able to see the apps inside it, and just taping the one you want, then the game you want. --- I do see the benefit in the folders inside folders though. It's how we all do things on our computers everyday. It would make things feel more "at home". So why not do both? Let the user choose which way they want to do things. Well there comes the fact that apple really would have to develop a mobile finder to allow you to drag and drop an app into a folded nested inside several other folders. Not to mention that they would have to insure that it wouldn't allow users to mess with their closed system. It just seems like more work that I don't think they are interested in dealing with unless the iOS platform expands into a future netbook like device (ie when that doesn't need another Mac to sync like the iphone and ipad do)
I am more than happy with multi-tasking & folders - the entirety of the contents on my ipod are on half a page.
Finally got around to using folders for all my apps. Everything in 2 pages (I didn't feel like putting the default stuff in a category). 12 apps is the only real annoying thing. We really don't need sub-folders since apps don't have specific files related to them. On your computer you have word documents, pictures, movie, and those understandably need sub-categories to organize. But not a phone. The iPhone is essentially a micro-computer, but in a different sense of the term, thanks to the OS.
Utility isn't the point though. Again, the point is to keep it simple and prevent those who would end up confusing themselves from doing so. No, not everybody -- perhaps not even the majority -- are idiots. But there are lots of people who are, who nevertheless want an iPhone, and who would use more complex features, confuse themselves, and then blame Apple for it. We are not who Apple cater to. If Apple wants to reach the broadest audience with a UI that everybody can use easily and (mostly) intuitively, then they have to cater its core functionality to the lowest common denominator. We are not in that group. We are, in fact, on the other end of that spectrum -- the one-percenters -- and while there are plenty of more advanced features that those of us on the other end appreciate, they have to strike a balance between us at one end, and the less savvy users on the other. They have to try and bring more and more advanced features, but they have to temper them with simplicity and ease of use, so we end up with what looks like a half-hearted implementation. All of us here would love to see more functionality and deeper implementations, but we aren't the only -- or even the most significant -- group of people Apple has to cater to.
iLike to apologize for my previous comments. I am very sorry to who I offended. If you would like a personal apology, single yourself out so I may do so. I meant it to be a joke, but forgot a smiley. Also,Wait, temporary? How long is that? Two weeks? Two months? A year? Half a year? How many infractions till a timeout? I should've put a smiley face. Cuz it was a joke. How long does a temp infraction last.
Sorry you got an infraction (which exactly is what?) but the title "why folders are horrible" can only lead to heated discussion. I didn't put it very nicely.
An infraction is like a strike in baseball. Get 2 or 3 (not sure how many) in a row and you are banned. I've had 3 (spread out so they didn't get me banned). 1st was for posting an oversize image of Oscar the Grouch from Sesame Street 2nd was for bumping an old thread 3rd was for posting a picture of BOOBIES!!!!
