Things like this are exactly what I mean. You're just shutting him out, practically ignoring his entire post, and focusing on one small thing he said in a very insignificant reference. Oh, and I completely agree with you there gun. Get into them! EDIT: Oh, and music. A US 1.29 song is $2.19 dollars australian. Bloody pathetic >.>
No, that's not my intention. I already made my point in this thread, don't like to discuss the same thing over and over again. He also brought the same things over and over, nothing new. Still he continues, deluded by dubious tenets; he just goes around in circles. He ignores everything except his own opinions. That's getting boring. As MidianGTX said, he states he's mature and full into the worlds economics and makes ridiculous statements at the same time. Slowly, this makes me feel conned. And I always would be careful throwing around names like Marx or Engels too much.
Fair enough, it just feels like I see the same thing over and over again, regardless of points and it's starting to get on my nerves. Some guy posts somewhere about something that disagrees with majority of people, argument happens, argument is moved here and the person is eventually shunned by the majority of people without anyone even considering their thoughts. That's not always the case, I know, but I feel that is the general vibe coming from most posts in this thread.
The intention of this thread is not to be a platform for serious discussions. This is the price discussion garbage thread. Have you never noticed that everyone can talk freely here? There's nearly no censorship, no mod comes and puts the flames out when it's burning. This thread is a collection of crappy price discussion posts - nothing more, nothing less. Hodapp and his mods have given up long time ago, nobody of them is trying to talk some sense into the people anymore. Same is valid with most of the users who participated here weeks ago. People who try to discuss here should know what they're entering into, if you know what I mean. This thread ain't no pony farm. I do read the posts. I try to understand them. Some I do, some not. Sometimes I agree with a statement. But 95% of these posts are just blabla. People posting here in the garbage thread can't claim to be taken seriously.
I know this thread is not serious and that is filled with people moaning about prices and other things, however there is the odd occasion where someone has tried to make a legimiate, respectful and well-posted argument only to have it unnecessarily shot down. The fact that this thread is a mess shouldn't be an excuse to treat people like idiots, unless they truly act like them, and I'm sick of seeing it happen.
Legitimate and respectful doesn't always mean right, lol. I would bring up one post in particular but I doubt the person would appreciate me opening up a can of worms.
Keynesian economics is a macroeconomic theory based on the ideas of 20th century English economist John Maynard Keynes. Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes and therefore advocates active policy responses by the public sector, including monetary policy actions by the central bank and fiscal policy actions by the government to stabilize output over the business cycle. [...] According to Keynesian theory, some microeconomic-level actions—if taken collectively by a large proportion of individuals and firms—can lead to inefficient aggregate macroeconomic outcomes, where the economy operates below its potential output and growth rate. Such a situation had previously been referred to by classical economists as a general glut. There was disagreement among classical economists (some of whom believed in Say's Law—that "supply creates its own demand"), on whether a general glut was possible. Keynes contended that a general glut would occur when aggregate demand for goods was insufficient, leading to an economic downturn resulting in losses of potential output due to unnecessarily high unemployment, which results from the defensive (or reactive) decisions of the producers. In such a situation, government policies could be used to increase aggregate demand, thus increasing economic activity and reducing unemployment and deflation. Most Keynesians advocate an activist stabilization policy to reduce the amplitude of the business cycle, which they rank among the most serious of economic problems. This does not necessarily mean fine-tuning, but it does mean what might be called 'coarse-tuning.' For example, when the unemployment rate is very high, a government can use a dose of expansionary monetary policy. Source: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics
People are just fed up with this whining about prices and stuff. They've read it a hundred times. Maybe more. Today, when somebody comes and tries to make good and valid points, nobody wants to listen anymore; people got sick of it because of others who already carried economy to extremes. They've just overdone it. That's the problem.
Hey Rofl Copter and gunxsword how do we go about filing that petition? Count me in. @Vovin, I have to make the same argument over and over again to make things clear, but the main thing is I'm not from a western country, I'm not even Australian (yet), plug I only had a month to learn English before going to Australia a couple of years ago, so do understand my very limited lingo. Little known fact: Indonesian people can't write in a linear structure, the way we write thesis or paper is always in a fractal form. To most western civilization, indonesian literature is often considered to be chaotic. So there you have it. And please, because Karl is a bit ethnocentric, but the message is clear, capitalism (and its derivative, consumerism) is bad, but I disagree with some socialist doctrines as well. I hate money is all. And the way you wrote your post seems to imply that I have something against paying money for apps, again, I don't. I don't like.. never mind. Read my previous posts more carefully. It's chaotic, but there's a silver lining in there somewhere.
I totally agree with people when they say that the prices for apps in Australia needs changing. I don't care what prices developers list there games at. I care more that the Aussies have to pay extra for games then the rest of the worlds economies. We should be paying at most 90c(au) for a game. Out dollar is ahead of the US Dollar meaning it should be worth more. So 90c(au) is about equal to 98-99c(US) at the moment. If only the App Stores prices change due to the global economic conditions. It would be great because it would bite all those kids that don't know about economic's in the ***. And all the intelligent individuals that do pay attention to this stuff can get the games when its the right time.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Although it would be annoying if the aussie dollar ever hit rock bottom (it was almost 70c not too long ago D: ), it's only fair on the devs.
I think it's fair both ways. If the app store were to follow the currency rates, it would be fair both to the consumers and developers alike. Even though if aussie dollar were to plummet down, it'd be fair. I mean, everything in Sydney is much more expensive than anywhere else in the country, but that doesn't mean that it's unfair because the economy works just fine. Minimum wages and fair labour cost are the two main reasons why I love this country.
I guess this really speaks to your character. You troll around this "garbage thread" admitting that you disagree with 95 percent of the people who think price is a legitimate issue, and further attempting to marginalize their viewpoints by saying there is no serious discussion. Yet here you are, all the time, adding nothing of value! Rofl hit it on the head - The "other 5 percent" (you, Backtothis, Midian, Vovin, Dukester, et al) basically get your kicks ganging up on people and feeling obligated to defend the app store's pricing. You come across as a total shill.
Ok, you seem to be humble, so I'll answer you again in a hopefully clear and simple way: First of all, economical rules doesn't seem to work with the AppStore. The AppStore is an economical chaos. The devs try hard to understand how the AppStore works, but it's an absolutely difficult task. Second, neither communist nor capitalistic rules apply. Btw., communism is a totally good idea, but it never works with the greedy human lot. Humans are too stupid to develop a functional system like this. There was never a true and working communistic system. Communism is a dream, not more. Third: have you really read my posts? Me, not wanting to pay for apps? Well, the completely opposite is the case. I want realistic and decent prices for both the developers and the customers. Good money for good quality apps. Let's say a dev works a year to design a good, polished game and releases it for 3 bucks in the AppStore. A few moments later, the first cheapskate idiots show up, telling him why 3 bucks is way too much. This is not only an insult to his hard work, it's also bitter for him. The dev starts becoming unsure and lowers the price to one buck eventually. This buck isn't his alone. First, Apple takes their 30% share, he also has to pay another 20% per copy sold for a graphic designer, componist or other things. That's quite common today. This leaves him around 0.50$. Devs with good apps and a lot of luck, fans and visibility on the store might sell a few 10.000 copies of a game, the normal indie dev has luck when he sells a few thousand copies. Let's say 8.000 copies x 0.50$. For one year hard work. A bitter truth, isn't it? And along are coming more and more cheapskates, scratching the butter from the devs bread. Tell me how he should pay his rent. What about funds he needs for his next project? And then people come and demand more quality games. When you want quality, you gonna have to pay a decent price for it. That's how it works. Forget everything else. In the end - why do people pay 10 bucks for a cinema ticket and 2 hours of fun but won't pay 3 bucks for a game that entertains them 10 hours? Isn't this just crazy? My guess: yes.
Vovin 4,300 posts you 200. He has been on TA for a much longer time so he knows more about the store than you do. That other list of people Backtothis, Midian etc are well respected user and for you to come on here and say things like that is a disgrace.
I've just done, thanks. Well, peop... no, trolls like nate just don't realize that this thread was made for them, not for our enjoyment.
