I guess the establishment of your country which you want hand-outs from and demand so much from no longer 'means shit'? You really are an ignorant little kid in a self-centered society. Obviously what we have now, with some sensical budgeting, would and has worked well, why change a world power's system? If people didn't expect so much and give so little to the government, the thought of government run health care would be ridiculous. Since when should a government that sucks at spending, mostly the Republicans' fault, ever be expected to pay for your life? If some countries feel the need to do it fine, but I simply don't understand the rationality of it. Nowhere does it say a government's responsibility is to pay for your doctor bills.
Stop spamming/trolling. I say you should be "In Time-Out" or Banned, you have caused nothing but trouble lately.
Regarding that part, it's not the government's money as far as the NHS goes, it's the taxpayers money. It's called helping your fellow man. We all pile cash into one big pot and when some dude electrocutes himself, he borrows from the pot to get himself up and running again. Basic kindness really, all teaming up together to keep us safe as a whole.
Actually, the monopoly here would be government run health care. While the founding fathers may not have pushed capitalism, they were certainly pushing for the concept of free will(individual). This was a concept that used to be associated with western philosopy. While free will can not be absolute(criminal laws, etc.) it was be encouraged as much as possible. While Government intervention can be helpful, it has to be limited. Our current economic situation can be traced back to gov. intervention in the mortgage markets through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
To whoever said it's the government's job to provide a job and pay for health care, by definition a government's only job is to protect the citizen's natural rights, that is the right to life, liberty and property.
Actually http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/09/15/100-year-crash-mccain-advisor-spurred-62-trillion-derivatives/print/
I'm a child????!!! OK, you just lost all respect. You are the biggest child on this forums, sending me 6 messages that are all the same thing, all crap, just to annoy me.
Really. I feel as though you didnt even read my last response. If I had the time, I'd crack open a book and reread the constitution and show you the parts where the governement is allowed to do things that dont violate the rights of the people (The amendments). This isnt violating any rights. In this debate you have come up with no plausible facts to back up your statement. All you have said is THE FOUNDING FATHERS NEVER SAID THAT THE GOV CAN PAY FOR OUR HEALTH CARE. SO THEY CANT. I DONT KNOW HOW TO READ YOUR RESPONSE SO I'LL MAKE UP A PARAGRAPH FULL OF COMPLETE SHIT USING DICTIONARY DOT COM. BUT I'LL MAKE THE PARAGRAPH FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS AND FLAWED LOGIC SO IT'LL BE REGARDED AS AN INTERNET MEME BY 4CHAN. in that SHIT FILLED paragraph you just said that I think the government means nothing to me. In the first few sentences you implied that you think the government SHOULD IN FACT be giving out hand outs smiilar to health care. CONTRADICTION NUMERO UNO. THEN you call the US a self centered society. PERFECTLY TRUE, BUT I HAVE ALREADY POINTED THAT OUT TO HELP MY ARGUMENT OUT. THEN you proceed to say that this health care system has worked well, but it needs good budgeting. My rebuttal: How has it worked well? The US health infastructure is regarded as the world's WORST. High prices for everything once you're older. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE! Observe: "If people didn't expect so much and give so little to the government, the thought of government run health care would be ridiculous." LMFAO, you dont even know how to make coherent arguements. That first part of the sentence is saying if THE PEOPLE DIDNT EXPECT SO MUCH. THen the second part says IT WOULD BE REDICULOUS FOR THE GOV TO GIVE HEALTH CARE IF THE FORMER IS TRUE. CONTRADICTION NUMERO TWO. IF people didnt expect so much and give so little, then they would give a lot. MAKING GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PERFECTLY FINE. which is a complete contradiction. FURTHERMORE, you obviously dont understand what the gov. run health care would do. MORE TAXES. MOOOORE. MORE. Do you understand? MORE. Therefore we are giving the gov. MORE and they give us MORE. The MORE that they give us is much more stable and less shady than what the private companies give us. Your statement about expecting so much and giving so little directly clashes with this, showing you know nothing, sorry for the caps. I just needed to highlight things for the kid. He doesnt seem to understand the health care package at all.
Since this was our last day on the road, we splurged and went to a Dennys for breakfast. Breakfast is the meal that I most enjoy eating out. I'm trying to not eat grains or potatoes (that means bread, pasta, hash browns, etc.) so I got applesauce in place of the potatoes which was nice. We decided to follow AZ-260 east since we hadn't been on most of it. It starts at Cottonwood and goes through grasslands till it is quite a ways east of I-17. Just past I-17 we stopped at Fort Verde State Historical Park. This was one of the first permanent army posts in this part of the country. They have several buildings preserved and it's very interesting to first go through the museum and see the people and what they did and then through the other buildings to see where they lived. They had so little living area compared to us. One thing that I found interesting was that when a higher ranking officer came in he and his family bumped the next lower rank and so on down the line so the lowlier officers could find themselves living in a tent with their families. What a bummer! It seems that this is also the National Day of Prayer so a christian school was praying around the flagpole for quite a while. The kids seemed much more interested in the camels, though. Yes, camels. They didn't really use them in this area (I think they were used more near Yuma) but the ranger said they were just here so people could see them and know about them. Vision Quest kids were helping with this and seemed quite good. We got to pet the camels after they assured us that they wouldn't bite or spit. The kids were all excited but the docent kept saying over and over that they were to be calm and come up just a few at a time. I don't think they wanted a spooked camel. We then drove north to Montezuma Castle National Monument. I was surprised at how full the parking lot was. This is an amazing place but it's not a castle and has nothing to do with Montezuma. In the cliffs above Beaver Creek there are cliff dwellings and they are way up there. They were built by the Sinagua who disappeared about 100 years before europeans showed up, probably assimilated into other tribes. It is a beautiful riparian area with the green trees and the red cliffs. We then returned to AZ-260 and continued through the national forests. I think we touched the Coconino, Apache Sitgreaves and Tonto National Forests. The maps I have don't delineate very well where one begins and another ends. We were in national forest for most of the day. First we rode through grasslands and then rose up into forests then joined with AZ-87 to drop down to Payson, where we turned east and left 87. Then we had another pull over the Mogollon Rim which we were above till we reached Show Low. We didn't stop much but pulled over for a break at a trailhead and lunch at a city (?) park near Heber that was wonderfully full of trees. The drive on top of the rim is wonderful. In southern Arizona are forests are all up and down since we have to climb the sky island mountains to get to them, but on the rim we rode comparatively level though cool pine forests. At Show Low we left 260 and followed US-60 and AZ-77 through the Ft Apache and San Carlos Apache indian reservations as we dropped off the rim in awesom, rugged country. At Globe we left US-60 and followed AZ-77 to Tucson as continued dropping into desert and skirted around the Catalinas to finally drop into Tucson. The whole state is tilted from northeast to southwest where Yuma is finally close to sea level. It's wonderful to drive it in one day and see the whole panorama. Since Lisa was visiting with a friend this evening I read. It's so nice to relax and read after a trip, no matter how enjoyable. The first book I read was "Jester Leaps In" by Alan Gordon. I'd never read this series and thoroughly enjoyed it. Theophilus, better known as Feste, a member of the fools guild, is sent to Constantinople to find out what happened to the fools there. Accompanying him is his new wife, a duchess and an apprentice fool. This was fascinating. I never realized how much a part of medieval life fools were. They were the television of the day. The good ones became part of courts and probably heard more of what really went on than most people. I'm not sure that I buy the idea that they were a secret peace promoting group but it does make sense. The insight into Constantinople in the 13th century is wonderful. I finished reading "Neanderthin" by Ray Audette. Audette is one of the group that advocates a 'caveman' diet which is meat and fruits and vegetables. He pretty much cuts out grains and beans as bad for health. I've been following some of this for a few weeks so I read it with interest. It's true that when people settle down and lived on grains their health became much worse. The archaeological record shows a decline in height and an increase in degenerative diseases, at least the ones that show up in the skeleton record. I'm just wondering if I'm allergic to something so cutting out grains and dairy for a while makes sense. I still wonder if part of the decline in health of the early agriculturists was due to eating less vegetables. friuits and greens than they did while they were more nomadic. I feel good, so what can I say but I'm not totally sold on the theory but it is an interesting book.
