Universal Trigger Fist - (by Lake Effect)

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  1. Johnny101

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    Exactly, they get replaced by a bot. I see players quitting a lot when they get off to a slow start such as 1-6. Then they're gone and replaced by a bot like Bum Park or Uncle Leo:D I get off to slow starts at times but I'll finish the game.
     
  2. VaroFN

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    Yup.
     
  3. SOLIDzizou

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    "Maybe it feels unfair when you can just buy the guns so easily but we needed a way to make a buck."

    read between lines, i'm not making things up, i'm practically paraphrasing.

    lol that sucks, although i'd prolly do it too, i can see myself getting beaten up by real players the 1st matches while i get used to the non AI competition XD

    i'll try not to do it though, for the sake of the competition.
     
  4. Boardumb

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    No, you said they unbalanced the game purposefully forcing you to HAVE to buy IAP. This is absolutely incorrect. You don't HAVE to buy anything. Even if it takes you 50 years to unlock everything, there's never a point where you are forced to buy IAP to proceed.

    If you are buying the IAP in this game, it's because you CHOOSE to because you're impatient, and no other reason.

    The way I read their response is "sorry we gave people the ability to buy their way to the top, but that's the nature of iOS."

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    Look, regardless of how you feel about the use of IAP in this game or IAP in general, there are COUNTLESS examples of devious behavior and misuse of IAP in the App Store. Developers do despicable things and pray on players' psychological weaknesses in order to get them to pay into a freemium pay structure.

    Here a developer makes a unique kind of title that is basically being universally loved by everyone here in the forum (even the critical players are admitting to having fun) and I don't think they are deserving of being called manipulative thieves.

    If you don't want to put in the leg work to earn the unlocks yourself, then pay for the IAP unlocks. If you are so vehemently opposed to IAP then just don't play the game. It's that simple. But don't sit there and attack the developer while putting words in their mouth. That's all I'm saying.
     
  5. SOLIDzizou

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    #565 SOLIDzizou, Aug 14, 2012
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    ^ i've said it before, i love the game, and the way the XP and rank up systems behave is my only complaint and it has nothing to do with gameplay, i completely disagree with you, to me it looks that they openly stated they put the financial needs before the unlocks in the game, your reading something else, but it's pretty clear to me, the game is unbalanced in the reward system(because it is clearly unbalanced, not to say painfully slow.) on purpose when it comes to the XP, and that is what they state with that comment.
     
  6. Gabrien

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    #566 Gabrien, Aug 14, 2012
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    @Boardumb:

    Not speaking for anyone else, but for me at least the issue is never about being "forced" to buy IAP or making the "choice." Of course you are always making a choice. No one will ever put a gun to your head or mind control you to buy it.

    The issue is ALL about game balance focused on providing optimal player experience versus balance affected by factoring IAP into the equation.

    We can argue on a game to game basis as to which pushes IAP on the player more and which less, and which barely seems to do it at all, but there is one issue that's silly to argue about: a person with a vested interest (the developer) is not a reliable judge.

    My point has always been simply that the only way someone can be sure at face value that a game's balance isn't affected by IAP, is when no IAP is present. If it is present, yes, it becomes a matter of degrees and extents and debate, and some examples are easier to untangle than others because some are more obvious and some more subtle offenders. In rare instances IAP truly appears to have no obvious affect, but those are extremely rare.
     
  7. Boardumb

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    @SOLID: Gotcha. You feel it is unbalanced and you are entitled to that opinion. But what you are reading into their comments is also just your opinion.

    They did not explicitly say the game is purposely unbalanced so that you must buy IAP. You do not have to buy the IAP in this game, period. That is a fact.

    You are positioning this as you HAVE to buy the IAP in this game. That's just plain not true. That's what I have a problem with.

    YOU might feel like you'll never get the best weapons and that you HAVE to buy the IAP, but that's just because you're not willing to put in the work to achieve those goals. Which again, is totally your choice.

    @Gabrien: Fair enough. But I've put in hundreds of hours into Call of Duty on consoles and have yet to unlock the best tiers of weapons. So where does that fall? Since there's no option to fast track it, they aren't designing the unlock system to be manipulative? But that system is comparable to the one used here, so because there is the OPTION to bypass this legwork to get the best items, all of a sudden this game design choice is unfair but the other isn't?

    What if the unlocks in TF were just cosmetic stuff, like costumes and camouflage, but with the same unlock requirements. There is the same option to bypass and unlock everything with IAP if you want. So is it the same thing?
     
  8. diffusion8r

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    In MY opinion I believe that the game is perfectly fine to level up in and like the developer, one should be patient as the game has only been out for a week. The developer also never said the IAP is intentionally biased so as Boardumb said you're making things up. Remember this is MY opinion - I'm letting you have one but am also entitled to my own.

    It'd take you months to get to 10th prestige or whatever they have now on Call of Duty - imagine the final level on this game being the same. The IAP is only an option if you want to complete this game quicker and essentially lose the point of playing this game over a long period of time.

    I can foresee myself playing this game for years to come - gradual playing will eventually unlock everything for me. If I'd unlocked everything in 6 days I'd be asking for my money back.
     
  9. banger1103

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    Love the human only idea. And it would be great if they plan to add new maps! Yes I know it's only been out for a week :D. And definitely, hope they do make enough to update this game.
     
  10. SOLIDzizou

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    i'd just like to address here that i never said the game itself was unbalanced, again, the game is perfect to me, i said the rank up system is unbalanced, and it is unbalanced, that is the whole point of my argument.

    he did.

    but again, i'm not talking about unlocking everything, i'm talking about the amount of time that it takes to unlock every single thing, there are barely no rewards, that is my whole point.

    it takes 20000 xp to unlock the 4th class rank and 50 000 to unlock the global rank, and you get 100 - 150 xp per match, you get me?

    i mentioned CoD as a example cause yes, it takes months or years of gameplay to unlock everything, but that's not the point, the point is that every couple matches you get a little upgrade or unlock.

    i don't wanna sound cocky but you can't tell me i'm wrong there.

    hope that clear things up.
     
  11. banger1103

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    Agreed. Tbh even 500 XP is a stretch. But regardless, I will still be playing to unlock the top tier guns for a loooong time from now(probably what they intended). If they did that to ensure a lively online community, that's all the better for everyone who plays, and I wholeheartedly support that. I guess one side of me wishes it was less of a grind, but I agree that most games are like that and the goals are hard to reach. And definitely, i will probably surpass 200 matches in a couple days lol :D
     
  12. lakeeffect

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    I think I can help by clearing this up a little.

    The guns do not get better, the higher they are in the class.

    If you're looking for the best gun in the game, just take the M4 and stop trying to unlock anything else.

    The other weapons offer slightly unique experiences, but who really wants a mini gun when it doesn't work that well over low cover. Sure, it sounds awesome and has a full set of custom animations, but you're not going to get a single extra kill because of it.

    Do me a favor and talk about how we can get the rest of the world to download the game.
     
  13. banger1103

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    #573 banger1103, Aug 15, 2012
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    Agreed :D. Hmm idk. Besides advertising, lowering the price(last resort), or word of mouth I really can't think of anything else. But I have gifted this to several friends and I've recommended it as well! I hope sales are going well though
     
  14. SOLIDzizou

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    well the game itself is really good as it is, it would be my guess that these kind of forums would be the best place to advertise the game, i mean by now a whole lot of ppl should've heard about this great game, unless you've got a lot of pirated downloads, i think in your next update you should make it so it kills the app if you don't have the latest iOS, that's the best way IMO to avoid piracy, it would force the hackers to buy the game.

    IMO it's one of the very few games right now that's worth buying...
     
  15. Rip73

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    #575 Rip73, Aug 15, 2012
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    That's not what I said, or at least not what I meant.
    What I was trying to say is that the higher rank weapons are not over powered, ie a rank 43 will not easily beat a rank 10 because they have a p90 or a Colt python.
    There is advantages to ranking up. Some guns have higher accuracy, some have more ammo, some do more damage and some simply sound and look cooler. There is no single weapon that I've come across that has an A standard across the board though. The p90 has a great fire rate but low accuracy. The high fire rate is an advantage obviously, but the low accuracy balances it out.
    I am sure I stated that already.
    My ultimate point is that the higher weapons will not be overpowered or unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination because the game is very well balanced in that way. You should be more worried about a player that has reached a middle rank, somewhere between say 15-26, without iap because that person will have reached it through playing a lot and it's their skill that will always beat you. That's how a well balanced game should be. And this game has that.
    And despite buying a good few weapons to get to the higher ones, the m4 is still my favourite. Paired with the Glock and that load out is rapid fire heaven.
     
  16. Rip73

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    The spot on new and noteworthy should have helped. It doesn't seem to be listed that way on all the regional app stores which I'm quite surprised at as it is certainly worthy.
    If there was a way of lobbying Apple, I'd be on board for getting behind it.
    A sale would be a bad idea at this stage. And advertising will have a relatively limited impact.
    The reviews on the main ios gaming websites have been excellent for the game so I would expect them to have some impact. Reviews on some of the mainstream gaming sites would help to boost profile.

    The best way to get the rest of the world in is to get on the new and noteworthy list for the regional app stores around the world. It's one that always works. It's not on new and noteworthy in European ones so getting on that list would be productive.

    I have a strong belief that Trigger Fist will be a success. It's profile just needs to get a bit higher.
     
  17. banger1103

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    You know I'm really surprised I'm pretty good at this(at least IMO). I usually suck at all FPS/third person shooter games including MC, NOVA, you name it. But this really makes the experience enjoyable, and the low health definitely adds to the challenge even more. I've actually gotten pretty good against the bits, averaging 25 kills with usually less than 5 deaths, but maybe I need to face humans to truly gauge my skill level :p
     
  18. jared9876

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    This game requires iOS 4.2 so it should work on 2nd gens but in the decripition it says that it only works on 3rd gens or higher! Has anyone tried this on 2nd gens? I don't want to waste 5 bucks!
     
  19. Rip73

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    #579 Rip73, Aug 15, 2012
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    Actually, those numbers are very good.
    If you can do it against the AI, you can definitely do it against real people.
    I personally think its the removal of vertical aiming and the focus being on horizontal only aiming that makes it more accessible on a touch screen device.
    A fairly simple solution in hindsight that is extremely effective. It was really quite a clever and unique control solution from the developer.

    Your stats are making me fearfull of meeting you in a match though. I was really hoping I'd be the one doing the pwning but it looks like I'll have to rethink that.
     
  20. banger1103

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    Yeah that really sets this game apart from the others and makes it much more accessible for iOS. Haha thanks lets play sometime and see who's the boss! Going back to the game, I really like the Uzi too. I had doubts about it, but I had a 31 and 3 round with it. The large magazine really makes up for the other average aspects of the gun. One thing I really like is how different every gun feels and how it plays into the strategy. Still don't have a favorite but it is really fun experimenting with various setups. Can't wait to unlock the new pistols though cause the Raffica sucks IMO, currently using the USP
     

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