sometimes i feel strongly about things other than when doodle jump is replacing insects with pumpkins
Hmm and we don't???????? Apple made the store, its like a consignment shop - they get a portion of what gets sold in it. The developer made the product - they get a portion of what gets sold. Thats about that. I still don't see a good answer to how this is different from all the lawsuits against limewire or napster pirates. Its just going to take a few lawsuits against some random IP addresses or better yet the UDID's that get collected to show the thieves how wrong they are.
So do all of us. I work for 14 hours a day. So? I'm gonna guess you work for microsoft as that's the only reason you could hate the best thing that ever happened to mobile apps without any real reason (it's meant to be a joke in case you start screaming about how dumb I m for thinking you work for MS)
@ New England Gamer: If you play that card, I could say you're posting to make it look like you don't pirate apps. There's no way to tell! (To my knowledge) So don't accuse.
Yeah but I was assuming that IpodLady is no dumbass and therefore suggesting her to take a look at eBay from time to time
Huh???? Ok I am getting more and more lost in this thread by the second. I said they are posting out of guilt because of their sarcasm turned to supposedly good morals. That spells guilt to me. And I thought there IS a way to tell by UDID's and UDID's have been banned which has spawned even more creative piracy which shows how desperate people want to be to be a thief and maybe its human nature, I dunno, but the point is - support the developers that make games and don't steal them. I have also seen posts that run something like this -- did anyone notice the bug in game X where you can't get past point Y? The answer -- yeah you downloaded the cracked app. Proof in the piracy pudding.
You contradict yourself twice. First you say this is a useless thread, then you explain your voluminous post count here by saying it's something you feel is important. Second, you pompously state that you work for a living (implying that we all don't) yet you've spent an inordinate amount of time here today. People work different shifts, live on different hemispheres, etc. It's quite condescending to assume you are the only one here with a job...or a valid opinion for that matter.
jdigitL, you've made a lot of unsupported and just plain wrongheaded statements on this thread -- too many to bother dealing with. But this one exemplifies the carelessness in your arguments: the fact is, Smokey the Bear has been incredibly successful in reducing the number of man-made forest fires. In fact, he has been too successful, helping to suppress fires that are part of the natural cycle and making the fires that do break out all the more dangerous. That's why the Department of the Interior is thinking of retiring Smokey the Bear, not because he failed to change hearts and minds. It's important to let Apple know that we're concerned about piracy and they should improve the DRM for iPhone apps. But it's also important to set a baseline of acceptable behavior in our community. Change happens from both at the top and at the grassroots, and a group like this one can have an effect on people who are on the fence on the issue.
I answered this in another topic, so I'll just repost what I wrote there: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?p=562847#post562847 What I stated there: In the scenarios you posited in your post, Bone, you were a potential consumer as you had an interest in the product. That's why you downloaded it. Otherwise, if you had no interest you wouldn't bother downloading. As you are a potential consumer, the piracy you engaged in within your hypothetical situation constitutes the loss of a potential sale. Now, whether that sale would have ever become reality cannot be proved, but the fact that you were interested in the product shows that there was the potential for a sale to be made. As for your idea that piracy can be free marketing and lead to more legit sales: Piracy as a marketing tool is rubbish. It does no more to help sales than legit mechanisms, and actually ends up hurting devs more. Also, pirating doesn't exist in a vacuum; if someone pirates and their friends are interested in the game it is far more likely that those friends will then pirate the game after being told how to do so and where to "find" the pirated warez by that first friend. Piracy begets more piracy.
Nicely said Spiffy, I agree with your points. My argument was too unstable as it is, somebody had to prove it wrong sooner or later.
so to sum up my view on the thread. contact apple and ask them to develop a better security model for developers to integrate support your devs buy their apps and write up reviews. spread the word on what you think is a good app or game (as TA does so well) get involved with the devs and get on their thread and on the apple forum threads. support is heard better directly, not indirectly through someones sig again. all things said, im not advocating piracy. im sorry if i pissed people off. were all trying to push the same thing here oh and sorry to smokey the bear... he didnt do anything to deserve that luv, jd
Reminder of the rules - Don't insult people - if you can't keep yourself from insulting others, you don't belong here
Was that directed towards me? I recall calling someone dumb in this thread Wait. I called myself only dumb. Does that mean I broke the rule if I insulted myself? Sorry mods I won't do this again. Also sorry ImNoSuperMan for calling you dumb. I think you are the smartest, most knowledgable person here on TA. I m really dumb to have insulted you errr... I insulted myself again. Please don't ban me. No. Listen to....... --------------------------------- ImNoSuperMan in time-out --------------------------------- Sorry for the pj. But I think this thread deserves a light moment. I got a serious headach in last one hour. =o
All you're doing at this point is repeating the same question, which was idiotic to begin with. Keep asking it all you want, it doesn't justify piracy in ANY way, which appears to be what you're trying to do here (whether you think it's right or wrong). As someone who owns an iPhone/iTouch, you know as well as I do that apps/games are a huge reason for buying the device in the first place (even more so with an iPod Touch). AGAIN, people that download these games for free WANT them, and if they couldn't steal them they'd be buying them. And if they didn't have the money to buy them, I guarantee they would buy most of those games once they did. In the end, all this is just speculation on both our parts, but based on how important iDevice gaming appears to be to the owners of those devices, the numbers of "how many would?" lean much more toward my side of the argument.
All those suggestions are sound and wise. But they don't cancel the need for community efforts against piracy. There's an old statistic that is often cited by social scientists and teen advocates: if you ask a 9th grade class to estimate the percentage of their peers who drink alcohol regularly, they usually put the number at around 80 or 90%. When you actually survey the population, however, it often turns out that the number is closer to 20-30%. Most kids assume that everybody else is doing it, and often behave accordingly. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many TArs (or, likely, lurkers)who believe that everybody pirates games; having this group is a good reminder that that is not the case. PS Smokey the Bear accepts your apology .
