As the title says the Egyptian people have finally forced mubarak's regime to surrender to its well. i just got back from tahrir sq. after 10 days of living there and protesting.I'm proud to be an egyptian and im so proud of all my egyptian brothers and sisters from all social, economic and religious backgrounds. i saw all spectrums of the egyptian people there . Muslims , Christians , atheists , rich , poor , famous , educated , illiterate , gay and straight. finally egypt belongs to us the people again. on those tough days being hit by smoke bombs , water cannons and bullets and all those people who lost their lives for our freedom more than 300 fine men and women died in a peaceful protest and all of us Egyptians owe them everything. All of that makes me so proud to be an Egyptian. these people in less than 18 days have overthrown a 30 year old regime. I'm sorry i rarely post here and i don't know if this is appropriate to post on a gaming forum but i just feel like celebrating you know. anyways god it feels great to be an egyptian at this moment http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/11/egypt.revolution/index.html?hpt=T1
Good on you brother! It's great to see people getting what they want through (mostly) peaceful protest for once.
Karl Marx says hello. It's ironic that the Egyptian people have overthrown their government out of a desire to install some form of democracy, and yet what has happened here, the proletariat rising up to rebel against the Bourgeois goes right to the heart of Marxism and what was written in the Communist Manifesto some 163 years ago. I believe there is something to be said about the universal and timeless themes addressed by the Communist Manifesto, as a historical document, but I certainly don't believe Communism is the answer to any of those issues. Communism is a broken system, to say the least, and I do not advocate it. I just find it somewhat ironic, that's all.
its pretty early to figure that out , but that's an interesting view. but i don't think that would happen for 2 reasons i believe firstly: this wasn't a economically driven revolution , i wont deny that its a factor of course a lot of people were living with salary from 27$ to 80$ per month . but then again other people where parking their BMW's and Mercedes and joining these people who take 27 to 80 $ and living in the square with them. extremely wealthy people took part in this revolution, business men and people involved with the stocks market were joined by what can be refereed to as the proletariat. secondly: we tried the whole socialist regime since 1952 and i think it was one of the reasons for this dictatorship that flourished here and became apparent in the last 30 years or so. As people had this belief in the father figure the leader and right now till this last day of mubarak's regime we were sort of a capitalist country economically with a socialist/ communist feeling , i don't know if you guys can understand what i mean , English isn't my first language so i'm basically just basically translating my thoughts word to word and finally as you say communism is a broken system and i don't think we would go back to it.
I heard about this late this afternoon. I'm glad the protests were successful. The weird thing is when I'd heard the military was going to back Mubarak's stay 'til september, the first thing I thought was, "What an absurd move, that's just pouring gas on the flames." It's great to hear the people have won and Mubarak and his ilk are out of the picture. Congratulations and good on you for being part of the effort. I sincerely hope this results in positive change for Egypt's people and a true democratic government is elected. I'm still a little concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood trying to grab power, whether overt or behind the scenes, but I kinda doubt that'll happen even in what will be a bit of a chaotic aftermath. The Brotherhood say even they don't want a theocracy either, but something about that sounds a little dodgy. Anyway, I hope things can more or less return to some semblance of order and life can begin to improve for the people of Egypt.
This will be a very interesting time in Egypt. The military is largely an unknown in terms of what they will give up, or support. Also, while the US espouses democracy, and democratic solutions - many people will use that democratic power to vote into office people who will take that away - a la what occured in Iran when the Shah was deposed... Many similarities to that situation and time, and there are a lot of indicators that the government that people will want established will be with Sharia law as its basis. Democracy is most definitely a very sharp, two edged sword.....
It's not ironic, a good old fashioned uprising is a great form of political action. The Communist Manifesto has nothing to do with the Dictatorship systems that famously plagued certain Communist systems, except that they were supposed to be based upon the manifesto. However, the deviation is evident, as Marx described the later stages of a Communist conversion to involve the State "withering away"; not becoming more tyrannical. There hasn't been a Communist system yet that's really followed thru with the Manifesto as Marx envisioned.
It's always wonderful to see a country take care of its own problems before the U.S. steps in to solve it and make it worse. good luck to you and your fellow countrymen/women.
thanks man , until this Friday morning all of us thought the army still backed Mubarak but they had to back us because any army's job is protecting the land and the people and they know that one man's will cant stand against 85 million peoples well. and about the Muslim brotherhood i doubt they will ever rise to power because they showed their true intentions to the people during this ordeal , first of all they are far less relevant and important and present among the Egyptian people as mubarak loved to show the west that he is one keeping them at bay . some people were sympathetic towards them during mubarak's control just because they were banned and were victimized. when the revolution started on the 25th of January they werent present at all . they only started showing up after 3 full days when they realized that might benefit them. this move alone lost them a whole lot and they wont be able to recover from that in a while . plus when they finally got involved they tried using religious slogans and chants during the protest , i saw a couple of time how they were forced to stop by us protesters . we want to make it clear to them and to the world that its an Egyptian Revolution not an islamic one. but im still fearful to be honest and i'm just going to wait and see about this one. i'm going to be of legal age to vote next month and i'm not going to allow them to hijack my country this isn't Iran and i'm certain it wont turn into another Iran. thanks man , its my fault my nickname is really ambiguous. i know what you mean and i totally agree , to be honest i have never lived in a democratic state before but what i can guarantee is that we don't want a theocracy. because really has it ever worked before, and about Iran what happened there from the start it was an Islamic revolution an extreme islamic revolution to be clear. and the funny thing is the current constitution states that and i quote " the Islamic shareaa is the main legislation for the law" and people were campaigning to have that removed from the constitution so im very hopeful about what is next . i'm certain its not going to turn into another Iran. Egypt's situation is quite different not similar at all. anyway back to the streets no one is sleeping tonight its 3 am and were going to celebrate till the morning the serpents are long gone finally
I don't think it will either; Iran's situation was different, though frankly, seeing how Iran was before the Shah was deposed -- kind of like a middle-eastern version of the US in the 60s, with groovy clothes and real life about it -- it's like the complete opposite now. That would be utterly tragic to see that happen to Egypt. Not that I think it will, of course; I think the Egyptian people do know what they want and are now empowered to get it, which is awesome. It's going to be interesting to see how Egypt evolves over the next few years. Of course, first we have to see how the next few months play out, but if you all stay strong, focused, stick fast to your principles, and stay on the path you're on, I think you'll succeed it turning Egypt into a much better place for everyone. After all, you live in one of the most historically steeped places in the world, you should fight to make it the best you can, and this is absolutely your time to do it while the momentum of your movement is still strong. You go party your butt off. You deserve it.
Good news to hear. Glad the US didn't have to step in, and hope the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't take over. I think that's probably a low chance of happening but I don't want the US to march on over there. The US is obsessed with spreading what we believe is the perfect form of government, whereas in reality we have it far from right. Remember, Thomas Jeferson said that democracy is just 51 percent of the mob telling the other 49 what to do
