@Snooper well you should main Bison! he is even better vs gief than sagat because you have teleport and his normals are great too. vs honda with proper timing headbutts is not such a big problem. vs guile of course it is a bit different. but his ultra and ex goes through projectiles and super i think too, so you can catch guile players with them. and more important you will have a lot of fun seeing how many players just press back at the beginning of the match and even dont use fb or other stuff.
That's when it gets tougher though haha. A Ryu that doesn't use hadouken is much harder than one that uses it on his repertoire. Same goes with Sagat, Ken, Akuma, Guile, etc. Maybe not Sakura though, because who cares about her; she sucks regardless.
Yeah, we played some nice smooth matches before, I'm not sure what's wrong with the connection nowadays. I'll try invite you when I'm at my in-laws, they have a faster connection.
thanks guys, looks like i might have to go with sagat. this is why i wish rose was in volt, she covers cammys bad matchups so well, and shes more interesting than sagat imo.
i've found sakura to be a poor man's Sagat, esp with her uppercut having near kara-tigerupper range. you'll feel less dirty using her, and her cross-up jump kick is quick. you can also follow up a fireball with an overhead or a sweep for mix-up on wake-ups. managed a 7/3 split in favour of sakura on sakura-honda today. honda has no answers to a fireball/srk wall by sakura, esp if sakura decides to be aggressive once honda gets close.
the problem with sakura is low damage because she doesnt have light hurricane kick and absoloute garbage anti air
Totally agreed. I'd used Bison 1151 times and although the win/loss records is not fantastic, he is such a joy to play with due to his numerous attacking options. If you like to attack and not defend, he is a good choice. He is not that good at defence tho with limited options on anti-air and wake up, but I'd managed to work around that already.. And he have a nice laughter. Used to teleport around just to hear him laugh.
Mikkel, you down for our tourny matches tomorrow night, around 10pm Munich time? [Let me know if you are good for another time slot] As for Sagat, winning with his uppercut-stepkick-ultra is always fun. If Sakura had her light hurricane kick, I'd main her. It's THAT good.
LOL I really just want to stop you there. I main her on AE (god even that sounds dirty) and find the shou-ou-ken variations to be so damn good! They're pretty much all you need against the AI, and I'm sure piss off real players as well .
Na her uppercut is rubbish compared to kens/sagats/cammys dp. Its alright in combos but not for anti air.
@mikkel1977, fffan7777 btw guys, any tips how to play vs snoopers cammy and actually all cammys with bison?
me and mikkel1977 are pretty even, maybe like 60/40 to him. fffan7777 and me are like 90/10 :S @fffan7777 plz dont gve him any tips. please
then there is a throw, the point is are there any moves fast enough to beat uppercut after the arrow?
theres no one move to beat everything i do on wakeup. i get caught by ex psycho crushers and ex knees when im too aggressive on bisons wakeup. they beat everything cammys got, except uppercut, but they go through eachother because of all the invincibilty
If you playing Bison just block low and counter, Cammy has no answer for this. Cammy (no offense Snooper) as I've said before should be the the lowest of low tiers in this game, ultimately her normals suck which cause her to rely way too heavily on her highly punishable specials. If you want to beat Cammy eev wait for a spiral arrow, block or focus through and punish it with any of Bisons bread and butter combos. Her only special of concern is her ball special which I believe you can just counter with a standing hard kick if you see it coming.
a few things. firstly, that part about blocking low is so very very true against cammy. she has a huge problem against charge characters cos of this. cammy actually is pretty low tier imo. i was being pretty generous towards her with her matchups (just a little biased ) in the tier list. and no offense taken. most of her normals suck but low medium kick is really fast, good range and is special cancelable. the rest of her normals are crap lol. focusing is also good against cammy because she has no moves that do two hits quickly, apart from spinning backfist which is stupidly slow. and if you crouch then hooligan (ball attack) will wiff if she tries to grab or youll just block the slide. so yea just play defensive and get good at teching throws. cammy has the shortest throe range in the game anyway, so that shouldnt be too hard. this match is a lot easier for bison in volt because its almost impossible to consistently do the instant cannon strike with touch controls. i dont even try to do the instant one online, 80% of the time it comes out as a jumping kick edit: one more thing ivoloster. i remember you saying a while ago cammys uppercut is bad. its not its awesome. like really good. if sagat coulddnt kara uppercut then it would probably be the best in the game.
