I really want to but I'm at work. Actually, my favorite characters to play against are Gief and Viper. I consider them bad matchups for Cammy and they present a tough challenge. What time do you sleep in terms of PST? I wanna coordinate some training time
I'm not comparing shotos to charge characters. Sp assist is useless for a charge character. The issue I have is that with sp assist on, gief just has to block and counter or be somewhere near his opponent to do any move and there is no delay in inputting the move like there would be when you have to do them manually. And lets not even start with his one button ultra that takes 75% of your opponents health! Try this for example: with sp off, do a wake up ex spd. For one the timing has to be perfect, and two, you can't mash it out. We can play again (gief v blanka) but play me with sp assist off. If you can beat me 3 out of five then that will prove you don't need it and you only use it out of laziness
What about his lariat, insane stupid range, movement, perfect anti air?!!!!!! It is the perfect trap on wake up you either crouch, stand block and this options are shit since he may use either lariat or SPD
Viper is more powerful than Gief. between seismo, burning kick, great anti-airs, super-jump, i think Viper players don't have a right to complain.
Sure use viper against gief, need to be at yyojjo's or n3ro's level to beat most giefs, i try use n3ro and yyojjo tactics and they work but against ppl like inferno and cyrus you can just stand and watch your death
Haha GG's man! I'm no match for you with sp assist off That was like the second time I played Gief without assist and it was pretty fun actually! I have to play way more defensive though because I have no move that can counter your ball or focus quick enough!
Inferno you are a good guy! I'm going to apologize for my saltiness but I think I made my point. Gief +sp v blanka = 5-1 Gieg w/o sp v blanka = 0-5 With regards to viper, sure sp assist helps her a lot and yeah you can spam the hell out of hammer but it's no where near as bad as gief with sp assist on. I will also add this: anyone who can use gief without sp assist and is above 3000BP is a real bad ass! To me gief is both an s tier and a d tier character in volt and it all depends on whether sp assist is being used or not.
Inferno and Cyrus are special so no matter what, they will win Also, I know tactics to beat Giefs with Cammy, but you have to be at Red Tiger or Felix's level to beat Gief too...and like you, i just stand and watch as I die to most Giefs haha
Yeah you are right! Gief without sp assist is just too one sided to be dangerous. You opponent will know exactly what you want to do. The most funny thing is that not being able to get to you opponent quickly by using multiple banishing flats actually hurt me more than the lack of spds Edit: It was 4:2 with sp assist on!
Lol one if the matches I won I was so pissed that I just started walking up to you and doing fierce! I was so surprised when I won. If I can beat you with sp assist on consistently then I feel I should be promoted to s tier
@CaptYadier Gief's Double Lariat does 120-140 damage in AE, and his Lariat does 110-130 damage in AE.
Lets be real about this.... SP off Blanka is infinitly easier then SP off Gief. I dont like to mention that I dont use SP just because I use charge characters. It is extremely simple on a charge character to be non SP user. As Inferno said, trying to continusly use banishing flat(which is a needed tactic while using gief) would be nearly impossibly. You have to flawlessly get that Z motion every single time on a virtual stick. That just is no where near realistic... As Cyrus said, I would rather fight oponents using SP assist(even if cammy pisses me off more than anything) then play against people who have SP assist off and are constantly dropping their attempted moves. Yes, maybe they havent practiced enough, but the virtual joystick is a pain to get those motions down quickly and consistently. This topic is a moot point and we arent beating a dead horse, we are shooting a dead horse with a rocket launcher every time this gets brought up. Just think about how much different blanka would be used with and without SP assist. Then look at gief, or any other non charge character difference of move list with and without SP - its insane. I do respect the people who don't use SP, but I really dont feel this is one of those things that you can use to puff your chest out to show your better than someone else; unless of course your using no SP on a character that isnt charge based.
Don't forget gief has 2 lariats in volt. Quick double lariat does 110/130 and double lariat does 120/140
I made no such claim that I was better because I don't use sp assist, I simply made the statement that gief with sp assist not only makes him OP buts its also unfair. If moves were easy to pull off then we wouldn't need sp assist in the first place. Zangief is not meant to be a character that anyone can pick up and start winning with and he never has been. Moves in any fighting game aren't meant to be easy and its what differentiates good players from noobs, if you remove that factor what do you think you will end up with? There is a reason the consoles don't have an sp assist mode and you could argue that it's because they don't use a touch screen as the input but you as well as others prove that that doesn't matter.
Well the console is an entirely different monster. You actually get to choose between light, medium and heavy punches and kicks. I made no such claim that you were claiming to be better for not using SP assist; might have come off that way since I used your post to comment. But what you did, was take someone like Inferno, who is VERY good at gief, definitly not a noob, and him play some stupid ass crazy way of playing that he hardly can do. Then post results showing that you can beat him with SP off. My point is its not a fair comparison. He has mained gief with SP ON. He was cool enough to try the matches with you like that, but if he is used to playing with SP on then, well, thats how he plays and thats where he thrives. Anyone can beat anyone on this game. I don't think SP should be a factor in who is better or at an atvantadge. Cammy runs over my bison constantly, I could argue that being able to spam uppercut in the smallest windows is a problem with SP, but instead I realize that I am just not playing good enough. We are all trying to be better players, and what better way of becoming the best then playing people with crazy reflexes thanks to SP assist
