Did anyone notice how much the $ and ammo drops are? I got 1 yellow money drop and 1 blue ammo drop and exited the coop game (the training base): One yellow money drop is worth: $295 One blue ammo drop gives you: 130 ammo Are you kidding me? seriously? it's really a joke, especially with the ammo. No point of even running for it!
Energy drop, not ammo drop (ammo is variable depending on weapon), and 130 actually sounds pretty good compared to what I've seen. I picked up the infinite energy pack, and have noticed that all the energy pickups I've acquired in the last couple days, combined, add up to like a thousand shots worth of ammo for my Crab plasma. However, I think it's good that the pickups are low in value. If they were important then there would be a lot of people trying to take them from each other, and would reduce the already low level of teamwork in coop. And yeah, not worth picking up. If I'm in coop, I don't even bother with them anymore most of the time.
How do you dodge the mantis laser attack? The one where it fires a laser around in a circle? I tried running away and even going under the mantis but it doesn't work.
Might be just me, but I think the graphics for the laser is a bit off. Anyways, 1. Go as far back as possible, ignore the graphic 2. The laser only goes half a circle, stop shooting (it slows you down) and run like chicken little to the other side 3. Not sure if this works well, just go near the mantis, it might change its attack 4. Keep shooting, make it flinch. *Another tip, get the 100% item, I find it very helpful for any bosses. I would recommend the laser gun nova27, at level 4-7, forget running, keep your finger on the trigger and it dies within 10 seconds.
the pickup's worth also change depending on how many people are in the game, which stage it is (which together calculate the difficulty of the enemies) the harder it is to kill them, the better the drops are.
I wish there were no drops in game as they block my sight and are so pityful to even consider picking up. I mean come on $100? Why dont we have shield/health pickups instead?
Probably because they want you to buy and fill up your backpack with health items. Otherwise players who aren't too good or don't have a high enough 'level' of armor could just not buy health items and hope for health pick-ups to drop. I like the high percentage drop of mithril for the first drop you get, but afterwards the drop is horribly low..like not worth grinding for and once a bosses money value reaches 0 each kill you get afterwards no longer has a chance to drop mithril, which sucks if you want to grind for it. So that rate should be increased, if not make it a constant for the harder and higher ranked bosses. Also I think the cash earned from the boss battles should only be halved once, I think that is a fair amount to earn every boss kill afterwards, it will keep people playing. Especially once you start going after some of the EXPENSIVE guns/upgrades and armor. My favorite idea: I still think you should add a mithril drop chance from the aliens you fight, maybe have it be a .5%-1% drop rate or so, which I think is quite reasonable. but not drop in the form of a pick-up, just have it automatically give it to the player who killed the alien so their is no fighting and complaining on the co-op. Also probably have a 5-10% drop rate for the 'rare' elite aliens that randomly appear. I think this would make co-op infinite wave levels more of equal competitor with the boss battles, so its just you choose whatever you like to do more. Also, you NEED to increase the (re)spawn rate of the aliens. Cause the levels take an exceptionally long time (at least the harder ones do) so increasing it would be really nice. And continue to increase it the longer you survive in the level. Also another idea to earn cash would be to implement a "kill streak". Have it reset every time you take damage, possibly every 100 you kill without taking damage, reward us with a mithril? I think that could be something cool. I don't know if you are already adding this or not, but I would like to see a way we can communicate with players, and also add our name and rank above our character when we are in a game.
Asasinator, you have perfect reasoning. Definately need to spawn the enemies as soon as one is killed. To get the 50 kill streak achievement, it took like a week of off and on trys seeing as how they spawn in little mini-waves of like 8. And the drop rate is definatel too low for mithril. Like. If you're gunna make it so low, at least give us 4-5 every time they finally DO drop. Because it is just impossible to get any good weapons within a freaking month.
Also, I really hope single player gets a revamp. I would like to battle bosses in single player mode (even if they don't give mithril) Not everyone is able to get wifi/3g 24/7 and yes, increase the spawn rate, right now it is kind of "boring" since aliens spawn so slowly
Yeah I would also like to see you add boss battles in single player, would make sense if you think about it. I'm sure you could easily tie in boss battle monsters for the "story line" even though their isn't much of one...wish their was, might keep beginner players interested long enough to get good enough gear for later levels and etc. Also I just hit rank 12 (woot!) about 20 mins ago, probably one of the first, if not the first LEGIT player to get rank 12. Hope to see an increase in ranks and some gear that is better then the thunder armor...all the other armor isn't anywhere close. AND I hope its all purchasable with gold, not with any of the IAP mithril stuff. Freaking sitting at 37mil+ and nothing to spend it on. Also hope for better gold guns! If you want to add me, my gamecenter account name is Asasnator.
Rank can't be "cheated" really. All the Iap are for weapons, which isn't really needed for rank. Frankly, I am always running out of money, the weapons upgrades are insanely expensive. But yes, once you get the atom suit and fully upgraded the laser weapon (any one, for me it was nova), there is no need for money anymore -.-
I keep hearing about nova 27, but I opted to go for the most expensive gun, crab..Asasnator, Since you have so much dough, is the crab worth such expensive upgrades? Or am I just wasting time and money on this weapon? Thanks.
The crab gun has the same damage as the minigun M-2781 at every upgrade. So its max damage should be 700. I don't know this for sure, because I did not bother to get it. The reason being, since it has the same damage as the M-2781, but it fires at .30secs, and the M-2781 fires at .17secs, also it costs 90energy to fire the crab, and only 40 energy to fire the M-2781. only down side is that it takes a second to start up and start firing (which you get use to after using it a lot) and you get deducted 2 spd (speed). If you are using the thunder armor with a backpack with at least 1 spd you won't be bothered with the slower movements, and when doing boss fights you should have 7 spd (when not firing, cause you move slower when you fire any gun) which is enough speed to dodge any attack. So when you get down to core values, in every way the M-2781 is better, yes you have some 'downsides' but they don't affect you really at all. On a side note, the crab's bullets move super slow compared to the other guns...so you can actually miss the target your aiming at if it is pretty far away... I believe you can go back a few pages, some person posted the results he got for upgrading the crab and its max damage was 700, the same as the M-2781, which is how I know that without actually having bought and upgraded it. =p And yes, don't think just because I have a lot of cash doesn't mean it doesn't need to be changed to where you can get cash or gold (w/e its called) more easily. I am rank 12...you try getting to rank 12 and NOT have a lot of cash, the reason being, their is no gear at all that I can get for my rank...I finished upgrading my M-2781 at rank 10 (I was probably almost rank 11) and I already had the nova27 fully upgraded by rank 9..so I have nothing to spend it on for all of rank 11 (which takes 9mil exp to get to rank 12), cause the crab is certainly not worth spending money on. Also..in my opinion the atom gear is worse then the thunder armor and I'll try to explain concisely why. The best BOSS KILLING WEAPON is the M-2781, and with the thunder armor you get 20% increased damage, the atom armor you only get 15% increase damage. and then on top of the that, the thunder armor gives you the ability to increase your damage by 50% for 10 secs (30 sec cooldown). So with that armor, and the back STK-06-ZZ you get 30% more damage. So you should have 1050 damage base damage, and when you use your ability 50% more damage (700*.5=450) and use a hyper clip (100%=700) you get a total of 2100 damage that fires at .17 seconds AND only costs a mere 54 energy (40*[50%-15%]=14 additional energy used)..which melts bosses away. And yes, the abilities do stack because they aren't the exact same ability. So once you get good at knowing the boss attack patterns health isn't really a big issue...so you can quickly see that all the other armor is not worth buying even the pegasus armor..cause your only hurting yourself making you work harder and longer to kill a boss... Sorry for the body of text..=]
Great explanation, thanks! The only other benefit of crab is the slight splash damage that comes with plasma... hmmm... My next upgrade cost is 3.6mil (for lvl 5, 380 base dmg), don't know if to spend it, get another weapon, or wait for next update and hope for better!? Do u remember if the M-2781 upgrades are as expensive?
I am pretty sure they are not, the final upgrade for the M-2781 was only 6,350,000 and the upgrade before (upgrade 7) was 4,450,000 or something like that. sadly I do not remember any of the upgrades before that, I am guessing the lvl 6 upgrade was 2 mil something...but that is just a guess. EDIT:Also on experience with guns that I have bought, the upgrades tend to reflect the cost of what the gun costs to buy. So seeing as the M-2781 costs 1,400,000 and the Crab costs 3,600,000..the upgrades will probably be much higher then the M-2781.
Well the fastest way to earn gold is to just spam the seigfreid boss, but quit once you kill all the aliens. Try to get ranks 1 to 5 to join your game, because they will die usually in one or two hits and then all the aliens are yours to kill. I don't know exact numbers, but having two players increases the gold you get from aliens by about 50% and having three players increases the gold by about 75%-90%...so you want to have 3 players when you start the game and hopefully they are low ranks. Yeah I know it is a little mean...but I mean they only lose like 10-15 seconds of their time to find out that they are no where close to being able to do that boss battle. =p I usually just avoid killing aliens till they are both dead. You should get around 175,000 to 200,000 gold from just the aliens, I usually get a combo of 40 to 100 and that makes my bonus give me about 100,000 to 140,000+ so I get a total of about 330,000 gold each time, which is pretty nice(my numbers are 20% higher because of my gear). And I only use about 30,000-40,000 energy making this a really nice way of earning money...till they finally fix gold being so hard to farm. I usually just use the M-2781 minigun, having the 1 second or so before it starts firing really helps me be able to get good aim. =D Which is probably why my energy consumption is so low. Also here is the amount of gold you get from each boss (though my numbers are 20% higher cause of my gear) Mantis = 133,333 Crab (Poison Pit) = 266,666 Seigfreid = 359,998 Double Rages = 533,332. Yes you get a lot from the Double Rages boss, but they can be a little (probably more then just a little lol) difficult if your weapon doesn't do enough damage. Also the aliens you fight before you get to the Double Rages are a bit harder (they have more HP and do more damage) then the aliens from the Seigfreid stage. And then on top of that, I do not believe their is any "safe" place to just sit and fire your gun at the aliens in the Double Rages stage...making it even more difficult because you always gotta check your back. And if you were to get 3 players to join, they would be harder to kill and do even more damage. I only ever do Double Rages by myself so the aliens aren't as hard to kill, but the gold I get from them is about the same as the aliens from Seigfreid's stage, it is usually about 100,000 gold. Also it is hard to get combos on that stage because you always gotta look behind yourself, so you don't get a lot of gold from the bonus. So I would recommend you do what I stated at the top if you want to farm gold. =] The only thing I noticed that makes Double Rages worth "farming" for is their exp, I get around 130,000 to 150,000 exp each time I kill them. As opposed to Seigfreid's 90,000 exp. (that is if you do Seigfreid's level with 3 players and you kill 99% of all the aliens. I did a few tests and the exp you get from Seigfreid alone is about 60,000 exp regardless if you kill him by yourself or with another player, his exp stays at 60,000. Though the alien's exp will increase based on how many players you started the game with, but it isn't by much, I got 23,000 exp from doing Seigfreid alone, and about 35,000 exp from doing it with 3 players and I killed about 99% of the aliens.)
Asasnator, thanks for the great info! Appreciate the help. Tried it now and its just like you said. Awesome!
