Haven't seen you in a while, so first off, welcome back Secondly...did you just want to say that you're rich, or did you want advice with what to do with that? Thirdly...that level of mithril is a bit overkill if you're not saving up for future updates. If you aren't...BUY SOMETHING O_____O
Well, actually I think I'll stick to the energy glove. Oh now I know why my star wars lunch box has gone missing
Hey, I just went back and read your first post. I believe the Andromedae and Thunder armours will encourage COMPLETELY opposite playstyles: the Thunder Armour is agile, and effectively the most powerful armour set that's currently available (with its reusable ability being used constantly, its average damage output is slightly weaker than the strongest hybrid combinations currently available). It has very little HP compared to what you can get later on, so the Thunder Armour will encourage you to dodge and restrain yourself from simply wading into an enemy crowd. In contrast, the Andromedae set is comparatively weaker than both the Thunder and the Perseus, but has more HP than both, as well as the ability to recover about 10,000 HP every 135 seconds (factoring in how long its ability lasts, and how long it takes to cool down). The Andromedae Armour is agonisingly SLOW when its 15 second ability isn't activated. If you want more HP than the Thunder set, I'd recommend the Perseus instead of the Andromedae because of its higher damage output and agility - the Andromedae seems more suited to a slow-tank type playstyle, which doesn't really seem to have a place in the game at the moment. As for the Energy glove...if you're still getting the hang of ammo management, I guess it's a good idea to hold onto it for now. If you wanted something with a higher damage output, You'll be better suited with the Crab - it fires much faster than the Energy glove, while retaining some degree of splash damage (though I suspect its splash range is smaller).
Yeah, I think that I'll stick with an agile playing style and my cousins will help me choose a stronger armor after Thunder. Crab? I might be able to get it
Yeah, going from your cousins's equipment, they should be able to guide your armour choice pretty well. That being said, all three of you seem to have quite a bit of mithril compared to what we got in the dark ages -- both gold and mithril drops from bosses were tied to the same counter for ALL available bosses =.="
undead.exe, I don't understand why you don't reccomend hybrid armor, even with the reusible ability +50% my amor set gives me +40% (not including my pack) forever... Thunder is cheaper, but your gold hybrid set is great for farming (though, yes most people don't have that kind of mithril and if they did they didn't need to farm gold.) Also for playstyles there is still cyngi... ArchAngel: If you want to stick with energy glove then get the thunder but then you said you want speed, cyngi is a good set (fastest) so t hat would be good for a "speedy ninja" set. Even for the boss itself do you use a energy glove? Because then its explosions mean nothinga and is dealing less than 2000 damage to it... Meanwhile M-2781 does over 4000 (note all of this is after fully upgraded) so (no offense) you aren't contributing as much as your teammates. I think energy glove is okay for the initial wave but for the boss wave pull out a M-2781 or crab... Crab might be to your liking.
Easy: because your particular hybrid sacrifices speed and HP for power. I have no doubt that it's quite possible to play in your armour set, because my set-up is slower and less powerful than yours, and yet I'm still capable of playing properly alongside teammates (i.e. no freeloading). That being said, if players are asking about armour recommendations, I'm generally recommending what I consider the most balanced options, which are full armour sets which have at least 15% power for weapon efficiency, and +1 speed for dodging ability. Recommending a full set also gives a set bonus, which always seems to include additional HP. If a player wants to change the balance of the armour to add more of one attribute at the cost of another (such as your hybrid adding more power at the cost of speed and HP), I think that's best left up to the player to decide after he's tried out a balanced set-up, and decided that he doesn't need as much speed or whatever - having a hybrid which gives extra gold or does extra damage isn't very helpful if it means that you're going to die because you can't dodge properly - dodging with less speed takes getting used to, and not everyone will like that. Whether or not you need gold is down to what you want to do. Recall that I have the Laser Cannon, the Crab, and the Morpheus to name a few - these weapons were NOT cheap to upgrade, and my hybrid set-up helped immensely with accelerating their completion. I certainly don't need them to fight with my signature playstyle, but it's one thing which keeps me going aside from the TA community playing this game. I'd say that Cygni improves your dodging ability to such an extent that you'd have to be TRYING to get yourself killed to die. However, it's incredibly weak damage-wise, with only a 5% power bonus. The reason I use it in PvP is because HP is scaled downwards, meaning that the speed is useful for escaping from a dangerous situation, or to chase down someone trying to escape from you. Rocket launchers go particularly well with the Cygni because of the 30% damage bonus.
I do see your point now. But cyngi is more of a speedy ninja that does some dqmage there and some there even if not a lot, so do you think it would be good for ArchAngel, fast and besides the power isn't that much but ArchAngel doesn't mind so probably won't mind cyngi either. Do you think thunder is balanced? Hybrid armor is more powerful, more hp and 1 less speed than it... I seriously don't know because I don't use thunder and since in the initial wave of the boss you people don't use the ability I underestimate it.
^This^ +1 Hence the reason I strongly advise against suggesting hybrids to newer players, and routinely suggest the complete Thunder armor set... Suggesting the Thunder set to newer players virtually guarantees that by the time such players recognize that they may want a hybrid set-up, they have likely established themselves as a comfortable, capable player... DBC
Bear in mind we're also talking about cost/benefit ration... Aside from the Perseus, in my estimation there isn't another armor set as balanced as the Thunder set, when considering cost of pieces, return on investment, protection, power, etc. If the Thunder set was a little stronger, I would seriously consider using it over the Perseus armor... The main thing for me is that the Thunder is available at Rank 6, and is arguably useful up to and including Rank 12. That's pretty balanced... DBC
All this reason from undead.exe and DBC makes me "agree" I mean there is reason but the hp of thunder is too low for my liking... I agree with everything else except when players say "i'll be a complete powerhouse" or "speedy ninjas are my fav" then hybrid sets work for them... Right?
Absolutely no doubt, that is essentially the crux of the armor "debate." If we're talking about the "absolute best choice," there simply isn't one, which is quite frankly how and why games like this retain their appeal. The thing that is fun in the long run is figuring out how to customize all your choices to best fit, well, your choices. OTOH, if we're discussing how best to direct someone who is still learning the game, the best advice we can give them is arguably that which sees them most comfortable most quickly, and thus interested and able enough in the game to entertain their own preferences, hence my long-standing, well-documented equipment choice advice. DBC
Personally, I would think the Energy Glove is more of a concern than the Cygni armour for enemies with large amounts of HP, but a hit-and-run playstyle with a low-firerate weapon is feasible. I don't consider it efficient myself, but if ArchAngel likes it, then that's all he'll need. Compared to the strength of enemies in Double Rages and Siegfried, the Thunder Armour is incredibly unbalanced next to armour sets which give you much more HP to survive getting hit. Relative to its original unlock rank, it's much more balanced, although the Atom set is a safer choice if you wanted some HP as buffer to survive getting hit. Statistically speaking though, if you ignore the HP difference and the Thunder Armour's ability, the Thunder Armour functions quite similarly to the Perseus - the same speed bonus, and the same amount of power (the Perseus gives a hidden set bonus of 5% extra power). So if you're not actually getting hit at all, you can trade the Perseus set for the Thunder set, and it wouldn't make a difference to your stats so long as you're not using the Thunder Armour ability. Most of us save the ability selectively for enemies with more HP (e.g. bulls, or occasionally plasma slugs), which is where you'll notice the most difference in killing speed. Long story short, I'd generally suggest the Thunder Armour because the low HP actually FORCES you to learn how to use that extra speed, which actually makes the low HP quite bearable when you know how to keep yourself alive (I can and have used the Thunder Armour on Serpent and Double Rages - I think I have witnesses in this thread too >.>). While you could make a similar argument for your power hybrid and its even lower speed, I find that it's generally impossible to dodge boss attacks while maintaining continuous fire with the M-27 unless you have a speed of at least 7. You would need the STK specifically for that in your case, whereas the Thunder Armour can use quite a few more bags - and that's not factoring in the extra playstyle strategies you can use when you can choose when to use the Thunder ability. ----------- TL/DR: Once the Thunder Armour has forced you to figure out how to dodge and survive, you'll understand much better exactly what makes it so useful...
You just reminded me of something: one of the Thunder Armour's lesser-known set bonuses is a 20% reduction on energy costs. Fairly negligible if you've already learnt to manage your ammo supply properly, but that should be deadset appealing for players who want to save every scrap of gold they can while saving up to buy or upgrade the M-27B1. ...I just hope they don't push it too far and become sword-swinging morons...
Energy glove was really my concern, less than 2000 damage per second, it seems more like a gimmick weapon, the reason I don't support thunder is because (first off I have beaten siegefried and serpent with atom surviving with about 12,000 health, very. Very careful with full nova) most newbies don't know how to survive. It seems to be a new age, itnenforces carefulness while this is hit hard and fast making it very hard, I can't do it very well yet, but what I am concerned is if ArchAngel doesn't get mega power his weapon will be quite ineffective. I agree thunder with M-2781 is great but that isn't the case, it is energy glove, I mean if ArchAnfel wants to use it, use it but multiplying power seems like a nessecity and hybrid is the best way to do that, it isn't balanced but without speed reductions archangel would be at speed 9 with my setup, please understand what I mean.
DBC was cutter swinging in PP the initial wave, this post reminds me of him. But that was only the initial wave.
Interesting discussion about armor setups and their benefits. Just do not forget that Archangel is rank 6 or 7 currently. You all argue from a highlevel player's point of view here, but did you keep in mind that he (or any other player at his rank) cannot afford most of the stuff you recommend? M27 lvl8 is all fine and dandy, but you have to get there first. For me it is less than 3 weeks away that I was in Archangel's spot, wondering what to do next with limited resources. In addition to what undead said about the often-overlooked -20% energy use extra of the Thunder, I can state from my own experience that it helps you immensely to build up a nice cash reserve. Especially when you combine it with the ECO-3 or the SP-4 pack (-10% & -20% energy use), it is a very good intermediate setup, especially for playing survival levels, where energy costs can skyrocket easily.
I hadn't forgotten it, and that really goes to my main point, balance. The cost/benefit on the Thunder set, including it's Rank 6 attainability, make it just too good a choice to even consider other options at that level... especially if you're leveling up something like the M-27B1, in terms of the Power production and Energy savings alone. HP, Power, Gold, 30% Boost for potentially underpowered weapons, Speed, Energy savings... yeah, Thunder. As for the swordsmen? I'm not even worried at this point. Once I accepted how much fun it is to assist in their deaths during the boss fight and then get the pleasure of seeing how little Gold they got for the time wasted... it's a beautiful, beautiful thing... It's especially fun to kill everything for them during the initial wave while they follow me around trying to snag my Power-ups (or just hide in a nice quiet corner), all the while knowing how it all ends... DBC
