Universal Real Racing 3 by Electronic Arts

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  1. Rip73

    Rip73 Well-Known Member

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    I'd strongly recommend getting it.
    The 30% saving is a big saving and you will eventually get it anyway more than likely.
    I haven't used it much yet. Going for the 100% on a good few for coins for the top car.
    Plus building up some cash for the next showcase event cars in the higher classes so need to hold off on trophies in some events.
    It is quite a car to use though. Very fast and grippy. It will need upgrades to compete with some of the other cars in some of the events but I think with upgrades it's capable of winning a lot in the series.
    See ya on the track:)
     
  2. GPS

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    Probably in your rear view! :)
     
  3. blasted1

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    #3463 blasted1, Mar 22, 2013
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    Agree with Rip here...can't stand the hacking. I had to grind and wait,grind and wait,etc to finally get a car I really wanted...Zonda R...and everyone already has the Agera R and I can hardly compete. I hope they ban everyone who has a hacked game. :mad:

    edit: I know most of the Agera's are legitimate....but you get my point.
     
  4. cfgoliveira

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    Going back to what I said about spotting a cheater/hacker, lets look at this example:

    - No 'Objects in the mirror' achievement (overtake 2500 opponents)
    - No 'Pro' achievement (level 50)
    - No 'Time well spent' achievement (less than 100h played)
    - Less than 500 events played
    - Less than R$5.000.000 won

    Perfectly normal so far, until you get to these achievements:

    - 'Speed Demon' (reached 225mph)
    - Bought more than 40 cars
    - Bought 500 upgrades
    - Fully upgraded more than 40 cars

    I will report this to Firemonkeys, hoping he gets banned, and all his lap times erased. Anyone who wants to know his name, so you can delete him from Game Center, just ask.
     
  5. nightc1

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    Sorry bout that. I wasn't suggesting what you were saying was like that of a raving lunatic, just it was a rant and I didn't want to make my post a mile long so I snipped the content so I could reply to you.

    I actually need to rant a little... Not intending on this sounding mean though,

    As for the hacked save, maybe "gray area" is a bit weak. If the save though was from a legitimate player that earned everything in the game without using any IAP, would you think it to be so bad? I see the difference there but the end result is the same. Would the developer lose any money from someone that would never have paid for the IAP? I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I don't think it's that big a deal. Game saves have been shared for ages. It's only the inclusion of IAP and online leaderboards and achievements that have made this a dirty thing. I just don't think it's as bad as someone distributing a paid app or hacking leaderboards.

    It reminds me a bit of the hidden NES games in Animal Crossing on GC. It took a little action replay to get some of the rare ones but people that did it would copy memory cards for friends. And stuff to spread the love. Maybe that's different because it was a paid game, but the ability to manipulate the save was achieved in a similar manner to this.

    To me the whole freemium model is akin to gambling anyway. To put goals out there that only the most extreme have a chance to maybe reach while trying to addict the masses into forking money over for some IAP cheats (mostly in the form of consumables that you can't restore) to get to have a little fun. It is a moral gray area for business IMO. They didn't charge for the game in this case. I guess it's similar to the arcade scene of yesteryear enticing that one more quarter by making the game extra difficult... Yet to me it seems more like gambling. Then again a good deal of all games are addictive wether paid or not. I guess I just seems dirty to me to not be able to just buy and play the game.

    Ok

    /rant over

    I dabbled for a few minutes with the bad save. I realized after two races that the fun was just gone for me with RR3 so I deleted the game and removed the data from my GC despite my race times being legit. I didn't even finish the second race, just home buttoned out, and deleted the app. So I'll leave it at that. I hope y'all don't think too badly of me.

    It'll be interesting to see if anyone legitimately perseveres without spending money on IAP to 100% completion. Of course it's kind of interesting the entire thread has been about how to skirt the IAP and get as much out of the game for free this cheating the devs.
     
  6. nightc1

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    I doubt iCloud is in the works.

    An alternate option, delete RR3 an install RR2. That'll give you back nearly a gig right there and we could do some online mulitiplayer at some point. I just checked and its still working. :). That would sure beat AI ghosts racing our times.
     
  7. Connector wants to back up his saves if he wants to play at another time

    Since I've jailbroken, I can just use AppBackup and store saves on my device, but Connector doesn't have his iDevice jailbroken, and his laptop was stolen, so he can't easily back up his data
     
  8. cfgoliveira

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    I'm currently at 67%, with 136 hours spent in the game, owning 36 cars. My plan to achieve 100% is to get all the cars as fast as I can (saving for the Veyron now), and balancing my races between winning new trophies and playing back races to win cash. After I get all the cars, I can spend the following earned money to upgrade some cars, and complete some missing events. It won't be easy, but I don't plan to spend a single cent, nor hack the IAP system.
     
  9. Well if you want the worst player alive, add me, haha. I ain't got no Ferrari, that's for sure.
     
  10. Yes, in a nutshell. I really was hoping that this fabled icloud save would be here by now, especially a game that is hugely inapp consumable based and so grind heavy.

    It has been kind of sad seeing people legitimizing all kind of hacks including system clock hacks, data save hacks, inapp hacks, and other ways to get around inapps and also be #1 on the leaderboards.

    But seeing so many people on this board, even moderators advocating and posting ways to get around the wait timers and such, it is just sad to see this game used as a beacon to hack games and jailbreak on ios.

    I kind of like having low priced games with icloud saves, not games where greed is king, and the masses revolt with piracy, jailbreaking, game hacks, system hacks, or inapp hacks. But I guess it is natural for this to happen, and this game has become a beacon for people to use this as an excuse to do so.

    Night, this had nothing to do with your comments or others here. I can hear the frustration of a lot of gamers here, and I am just posting a couple of my thoughts too.

    I am not even sure if technically saving ones game saves from a jailbroken ios device is legal, but if it is, then I guess you may have a legal case that editing a game save is legal too. Guess that is what you mean, and you are saying that in a case to restore progress and coins after a game delete to your current level, is legal.

    Well, I got no clue. There has never been anyone in the whole world that has been persecuted for a game save, but hacking a game save for infinite coins, well, who knows.

    I can see why people are doing it, but man, I really wish this game wasn't being used to as a beacon to hack. Makes all this TSM a crock, and if this continues, everyone will just be jailbreaking and hacking everything.

    Who knows, maybe that era is here. Kinda makes me a little sad. Thanks EA.
     
  11. I'd think it's as legal as backing it up via ifunbox. If your not messing around with your game save, then it should be fine to have a backup, like having a memory card for your games

    To be perfectly honest, my view on hacking is that as long as it does not influence anyone else's game in any way (including Game Centre achievements and leaderboards), if you have a legal copy of the game and there is no in-app purchases inside of the game, then hacking it should be fine
     
  12. #3472 Connector, Mar 22, 2013
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    Hmmm... Well, jailbreaking has been considered borderline illegal, though it is legal now I think.

    Exporting of game saves might be technically illegal since it could be argued that it is the intellectual property of Apples. At the vary least, I am sure to you are breaking Apples 52 page terms of conditions definitely.

    It may seem justifiable to export the game and game saves to pc hard drives, but what prevents you from giving this to all your friends and the world?

    As Night said, he thinks editing of file on your ios device is a gray area and is legal.

    Your interpretation of the right to edit game saves is if it affects others, it should be illegal. With TSM though, it would seem everyone would be affected, even such hacks as the system time hacks to get around wait timers. Having people bypass wait timers gives other players huge advantages against other opponents, so do you think the system time hack should be illegal?

    And then you mention that if you own the game, it should be legal to hack the game anyway you want. While it is true, that if you do download a game, you do own it; this game is a freemium game. So for freemium games, are you saying that you should have the right to hack the game anyway you want? Is editing a game save legal? Or freemium have inapps, so you can't hack them?

    You say that if an app has inapps then I guess you are saying it is illegal, but nowadays almost all games nowadays seem to have inapps. Freemiums almost always do, so basically most all apps, under your definition would be illegal. So why not just a blanket law saying that ALL game save editing is illegal period?

    What makes me sad a little is that sometimes it seems that everyone is hacking on many different ways using EA's greed as an excuse. This is a multiplayer game for godsake, and it is sad to see so many people that you add on as friends just have near impossible hacked scores.

    Sometimes I feel like one of the only ones not using any kind of hacks, and seeing this game be a beacon for all to hack and I kinda hope ios gaming doesn't take that route. A couple more greedy games like this and things will change for the worse in terms of hacking. I hope it turns around. :)
     
  13. Sambobsung

    Sambobsung Well-Known Member

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    Jailbreaking really is just removing all of Apple's restrictions on your device. You have more freedom.
     
  14. Yeah, I realize that. Guess what you are basically saying is that I should jailbreak. Just don't really want to, but yeah, I see your point.
     
  15. cfgoliveira

    cfgoliveira Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, really is "just" that...

    (That was sarcasm, by the way)
     
  16. nightc1

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    I'm seriously interested in seeing how far you go (I think Connector is too). I think you can do it, but IMO you'll be playing several months more before you get there as some events are borderline impossible without a fully upgraded car and those upgrades get expensive. Still, you've made it much further than I did... the steam just kind of went out of the sails for me.

    It's too bad Ferrari's aren't in the RR games. I take it the license for them was too much or something? Either way, Asphalt 6 has 4 of them, Asphalt 7 has 10 of them.

    No harm, no foul dude. I agree with pretty much all your sentiments. I think overall it's something everyone has to wrestle with at some point. Just give up and delete a game, or use questionable means to back up the save? I can't imagine a game company owns the rights to our accomplishments in games and thus the save files that we create and populate with information by playing the game. So, backing up a save should be completely legit especially since it's somethings stored outside of the .app itself. Heck backing up an app you own the license to is something iTunes already does. It's just a shame iTunes doesn't let you back up saves without backing up the entire device.

    Anwyay, RR2 is pretty awesome. I spent something like an hour and a half last night playing the game on Normal mode. I'm now sitting at 8% of the game complete with 6/57 events (3 Gold, 3 Silver, 0 Bronze). A few of those are multi-race events... which I'll need to re-do since I only managed to get silver. I think at the rate I play, it'll probably take a week and I'll be close to 100%. Cool. No lifetime investment required and so far no mega long events either. I 100% upgraded my car and still have more than enough money for a new car in the next division and probably all the upgrades for it. Good stuff.
     
  17. If your saying exporting an iOS game save is illegal, then wouldn't that technically make moving a GameCube or PlayStation 2 save state illegal as well? Even though thats both perfectly legal and built into the system OS?

    I'd say that just backing up your save file for your own personal use should be purely legal, even sharing it out to other trustworthy friends who wouldn't change the files and maybe help you along in the game. Though if your sharing your 100% complete save data or a hacked save data, then that could make it so the player who would have given the dev money through in-app purchases wouldn't give the dev his money and still get the rewards, and that is illegal

    The system time hack should be illegal, as you're bypassing the wait time, which gives you the choice of waiting, or using a number of gold coins. If you are doing it enough, the amount of coins overall from the time-skipping will be larger than the coins you had at the beginning plus whatever coins you are gain whilst your skipping it. At that point, you're stealing from the devs

    I'll just clarify my statement:
    When it comes to hacking game saves, if it isn't influencing anyone elses online experience (multiplayer, achievements, leaderboards, challenges), if you have a legal copy of the game(to give thanks to the developer for making the game and so they can have an income) and there is no in-app purchases in the game (wether it be unlock a new game skin or getting $10000000 of in game currency) then it should be fine.

    What I'm saying by that is that noone elses gaming experience should be hindered by your boredom/greediness/pure trolliness, and that if you have given the dev money for the game, and there is no way to give the dev even more money inside the game, then it should be find. Freemium games have a ton of in-app purchases in them for money, so if your having hacking the game for money, then you are stealing from the dev

    It is true, there is a lot of games out there with in-app purchases. Basically, if you are getting te rewards with purchasing the in-apps without actually purchasing it, it is theft and against the law. If the game has no form of in-app purchases, then messing with your game save to get money will just be ruining the amount of fun you could have with the game

    I do agree, it's sad that there are thousands of people hacking this game and ruining these for others. In my opinion, Apple need to mature up, see hackers on Game Centres, and just plain ban their iTunes account for an infinite time and banning their actual device from using Game Center. Surely if the hacker is constantly more iDevices just so they can continue to hack Game Center, they'll eventually run out of money and they'll stop hacking

    Do you know of Action Replay or Gameshark? That was a game hacking software that was released for a load of older consoles. You could do stuff like give you infinite cash or having instant game completion, or just borderline crazy things. This was just affecting your own individual game. You paid the developer for the actual game, there isn't a way to pay the developer inside of the games, and the only way you could hinder anyone elses experience is if you lend them your own save. That is purely legal to do. With iOS gaming, due to the heavy amount of online use and the amount of in-app purchases in them, it's nearly illegal

    It doesn't matter if the game is massivly greedy with in-app purchases. If you hack the game to get past them, you are stealing from the devs. They might ignore it if it's a couple of dollars, but if it's a few hundred dollars, and the developers have proof of you hacking the game, then they have every right to take you to court for theft.

    I'd say messing with the looks of the game (like with Minecraft PE where you can change your charachters skin in the games file) or doing mods without taking them online is perfectly legal. Developers like Mojang or Valve actually embrace this idea. It's not saying all developers are happy with it, but there isn't anything wrong with it as long as it doesn't hurt the two concepts I have repeatedly said through this reply

    TL;DR: Hacking is fine as long as it isn't theft or ruining anyone elses game
     
  18. GaZ-OiD

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    Thanks EA for the free triple A title, I got it on day one, I play when I can, I don't when I can't, I have not spent a penny on this game and nor will I ever spend a penny on this game unless they open it up for a single fair price.

    This might be the way big companies want to play the game (pun intended) but it will backfire on me and hopefully I'm not alone. I don't think I am somehow.

    But once again, thanks EA for putting so much time and effort into giving me a freebie that I enjoy when I can and play other things when I can't but not other things that want to constantly drain my credit card.

    As a serious gamer for 30 years I will not go down that road (pun intended again) for any game.
     
  19. BigJP

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    #3479 BigJP, Mar 23, 2013
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    You know, having played this game for over 71 hours, I feel like I should give something back. As though I'm feeling guilty for not supporting the guys that made this game.

    Maybe pick up the Race Car Booster pack for seven quid. Seems like a fair price for a game I've packed more hours into than games that have cost me thirty straight out of the box and played for ten hours.

    Anyone else feel like this or am I all alone in my thinking here? :)

    Oh, and I'm also aiming to %100 percent this game like that Oliveira fellow. It'll take me months (probably) but my interest in this game just hasn't waned. I've got that 'just one more' bug big time and there's always that extra upgrade I need to progress!
     
  20. fabytm

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    I've got a question!Am I the only one who's experiencing small amounts frame skipping on an iPhone 5?It mostly happens when there are a lot of cars in front of me, but not only!It's not a frame drop, it just feels like the frame rate skips, then returns to 30fps or however many the game usually runs at!Again, it feels like the game freezes for just a split second(almost unnoticeable) but it kinda pisses me of to even see it there...
     

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