Absolutely, yes, even with 700 in the beginning. http://kotaku.com/5018899/sony-lost-over-3-billion-to-ps3-cost-pricing-imbalance http://www.pcworld.com/article/127906/sony_losing_big_money_on_ps3_hardware.html But the ARM stuff and the Flash drives in the PSP2 are much cheeper than the PS3 Stuff plus it had an expensive Blu-ray drive, no optical drive in the PSP2, so yes, 300-350 for the PSP2.
I think Sony needs a new idea, rather than beefing up old consoles. They need to stick with something affordable.
Apple's tech is overpriced. But it's mostly niche stuff that is overpriced. The iPad would not be guarenteed a massive sales increase if the price was reduced, in my opinion, so they set the price higher, because only the people who truly want it are going to buy it, and the people who truly want it are willing to pay a little bit more to get it. If they dropped the price of the iPad, I still wouldn't buy it. A lot of people still wouldn't buy it. Same deal with the Mac, and the MacBook. The average consumer does not want it. But those who do want it, want it almost regardless of the price, which allows Apple to price-gouge people who are desperate enough to accept their price gouging.
Yeah cmon INSM open your eyes Apple's pricing is ridiculous look at the price of their notebooks for God's sake it's crazy. Don't just be a f*cking fanboy and actually think about what you get for those prices.
No, the PSP2 is targeted towards gamers wo want a full featured console experience on the go. For example many critiziced the missing 2nd analog stick, they fixed it now. Believe me the PSP2 has it's market, Sony has still a loyal crowd, in a big way in the japanese market, don't underestimate that I think they know they should not make the same mistakes as with the PS3 and make the price more competitive.
It wasn't just with the PS3. They made similar mistakes on their non-game consoles, PSP, and playstation move as well
The PSP GO was way too expensive, the normal PSP was quite affordable. They still have rest effects from the absurd expensive developent process and hardware cost of the PS3 that they try earning money with the Move
I'd like to assume you missed this piece by gruber posted already in the thread but thats probably too wishful a thinking on my end. You most probably read it and If you still believe all of apple's stuff is overpriced, then I certainly cant do a better job than gruber already did. So I give up. I was talking about the iDevices mainly, which have been really competitively priced so far. Or maybe you believe that every company out there is 'over pricing' their stuff, which kinda makes the point that apple is overpricing them, completely redundant to begin with btw. Over priced stuff will never sell. Not in these huge quantities and definitely not when there are so many cheaper alternatives available. Macs arent just selling well, they have been growing at a very healthy rate too. Why? Do you seriously think people buy macs coz they are fanboys? I do agree that Macs arent cheap (higher end models are definitely NOT) and you can get similarly spec'd computers for quite a bit less from other companies. But once you consider the OS, iLife apps you get with the mac, its more than comparable (for the base models atleast) with the competition. Also, I'd want to bring out the Zero Virus/spyware trump card but I'm sure you already know that and will claim that Macs have virus too OR you never had to deal with a virus in the 2-4 decades/centuries you've been using your PC for, so lets not bring it up (whoops, I already did, didnt I?). Now this is kinda irrelevant but I decided to share anyways. I paid $1200 for my (almost) 5 yr old macbook and though I did hesitate a bit and thought of going the PC route (which I had been doing for the 10+ years before that) to save the 150 odd dollars, if I knew what my experience was going to be with this macbook, I'd not have thought twice even if apple charged 1500 for it. So if anything, it was underpriced for me. I got a bargain. Also, if this experience with pretty much all the apple gear I've bought so far, makes me a 'fanboy', can you really fault me? The only place where apple does really overcharge is the simple upgrades (like RAM, HDDs etc) which are downright ridiculous. I never understood what the reasoning behind that was.
Y'know what... I am totally convinced now, because one person says it's true. In fact I'd probably place that right on the same believability level (incredibly believable) as God and all his impossible magic tricks. Thank you Gruber Christ, let me just jot that down at the back of the New Testament. Perhaps we could even swap it out with one of the commandments? It's now fine for me to covet my neighbours ox, provided I don't speak ill of the Apple. Nope, not convinced. I see nothing there about how Apple makes both hardware and software enabling them to make substantial savings while also reaping massive profits which should ultimately allow them to price their goods even lower than the opposition but somehow doesn't. Then there's the age old myth that goods (PCs, phones, TVs, touchscreens) eventually lower in price over time yet Apple have managed to stay perched right on top of the pile at all times. Perhaps by changing the shape of the corners on a MacBook they've just raised it's worth by $100 or something. Other goods inevitably get cheaper, but Apple doesn't need to, because there are still plenty of little know-it-all IMNSs kissing their feet and claiming all praise to be gospel. And perhaps the most harrowing thought of all... there always will be.
Read it again. Gruber didnt just post an opinion. He gave facts. Why exactly is there no android ipod touch yet? Apple is selling millions of them. Even people who think apple is over charging are buying these ipods (case in point - 'KIA of the KIAs' - Sir MidianGTX). So why nothing yet? Why have we not seen cheaper alternatives to ipad yet? Why are droids and other phones competing with iPhone still priced the same as iPhone? Stop fooling yourself. No one pays for overpriced stuff. Not the fanboys and not definitely not the haters either. No no no. You got it all wrong now mate. Apple is the one who is supposedly over charging for stuff. That was your point. Now you're changing it to Apple isnt cheaper than the rest of the competition? So I guess if apple was cheaper you'd argue that apple isnt cheap enough. Only $50 off compared to similar products. Why not 100? If its 100, then why not 200? SO on and so forth. So basically you dont really care what they charge. Thats even worse than fanboy. Atleast they are a fanboy coz they like the products and try to back them up. You on the other hand like to argue coz.... I seriously dont know considering you arent even sure what you're arguing about. Choose a point and stick with it. You think apple over charges coz a) competition is offering same tech/quality for cheaper Or b) Apple isnt offering them cheaper than the competition? Now I'm damn sure you're intentionally posting pointless stuff here. Not sure why though. Perhaps you should google a bit and maybe, just maybe, apple didnt just change the shape of the corners when they refreshed the line-up. Maybe they reduced the size of the rubber pads on the bottom by a millimeter too. That's definitely worth adding another 100 bucks if not more!!! You're once again forgetting 'THE Know-it-Alls' of us 'little know-it-all IMNSs' - The MidianGTXs are buying them too. Apple doesnt need fanboys as long as they can fool(?) these smart ones into buying their products. Multiple times too! As fast as apple's fanboy base is growing, these smart KIAs are growing at an exponential rate and apple has been more than successful tapping this market. And perhaps the most harrowing thought of all... they'll always be successful there. Anyways, as I already said, there is nothing i can do to change your opinion if you cant understand it when 'some guy' gruber explained it with simple facts. As you said, I'm just a 'little KIA' kissing their feet, incapable of thinking on my own and believing whatever lord jobs says. So guess it's upto you, the KIA of KIAs, to explain why the hell in the world you bought an apple product twice (possibly more) and yet its the fanboys who are responsible for allowing apple to overcharge for their gear?
I get your massive post, but can you explain what KIA (Killed In Action) means in your terms for all of us , just so we can get a clear understanding. Right now we don't need to argue over Apple's successful marketing techniques, instead we could focus more on how other companies could successfully compete with Apple :|, because I'm a little tired of how Apple's becoming the big man. I need new technology, not updates and upgrades.
What we know, is that the 3DS is going to take off like a rocket upon release, priced at $250. Sony will follow with the NGP months later, already behind they will have to make a choice; either charge a premium price and risk loosing consumers that are undecided and on a budget, or try and compete with the 3DS. They will likely choose to price-compete and add a premium to the 3DS's price point, likely landing it around $329.00 for the basic and 399.00 for the 3G model, thus offering a modest up-charge for superior hardware. I would not be surprised if the games were priced equally to their console counterparts, as in 59.99 But yes, I hope it's $250 too
If I can play the real call of duty, assassin's creed, or god of war games on the go, I will pay anything for this. But yeah, this will be around $300.
