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  1. DaveMc99

    DaveMc99 Well-Known Member

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    Conservative Bible Project

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  2. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    What I find the most hilarious is that extremist christians are most likely conservative. Then I see war-hungry republicans bomb innocent civilians. Then I ask "wasn't Jesus the biggest hippie of all time - didn't he preach kindness and love?"

    So Jesus would advocate for the bombing of the innocent? Even if they weren't innocent, would Jesus advocate for the bombing of anyone?


    Also, the bible is not "the word of God." The bible is a nice grouping of tales that teach people to be good to one another, it was not made to be literal.
     
  3. CDubby94

    CDubby94 Well-Known Member

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    Again, radicals don't represent an actual religion's beliefs. That's why they're radicals.

    Also, how could you not take the Bible literally? The evidence of creation, a global flood, God lengthening the day for Joshua, and many other miracles untaught people might believe are "nice tales" is staggering.
     
  4. AaronAMV

    AaronAMV Well-Known Member

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    And again, fools believe this fairy tale. That's why they're fools.

    Also, how could you take the Bible literally? The evidence of creation, a global flood, God lengthening the day for Joshua, and many other miracles untaught people might believe or "nice tales" is logical.
     
  5. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    #105 Lombardo, Oct 25, 2009
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    Well I shouldn't have said radicals. Christians that are republican are contradicting themselves.

    Not taking the bible literally is what over 90% of scientists do. I wouldn't necessarily call them "untaught." Educated people can tell that talking snakes and talking fire bushes are equivalent to the flying carpets in Aladdin. It's understandable for people in biblical days to believe the bible and take it literally. They didn't have modern scientific discoveries that make it foolish to believe crap like that could take place.

    Each religion of a time period is the joke of the nexts. Roman Gods - laughed at. 200 years from now christians - laughed at.


    There is not "evidence" of creation. There's just a bunch of retarded christians who want to cling to their bible and if you show them scientific evidence of why evolution occured, they say "God works in mysterious ways." Do you realize if Chris Angell had been in biblical times that he would be followed as a prophet?
     
  6. CDubby94

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    By untaught I didn't mean uneducated in general, I meant not taught the Bible. Sorry I should have made that clear.

    But the problem I have with your arguement Lombardo is that it is believed Jesus was born in the year 6 AD, meaning Christianity has been practiced for 2000 years, much much longer than Greek mythology. Christianity has stood the test of time.

    @AaronAMV, the stories from the Bible are far from fairy tales. I can back up my faith if you need me to. Can you back up yours or do you accuse the Bible of being false with no justification?
     
  7. MidianGTX

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    That's the most baffling thing I've ever read. I don't take the Bible literally for the same reason Christians don't take other religion's holy books literally. If I'm gonna take a book of magical impossible stories literally I might as well worship 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind' too.
     
  8. AaronAMV

    AaronAMV Well-Known Member

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    Yes, please tell me how you can prove God is real, I await your answer.
     
  9. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    Cdubby there is no proof of anything in the bible. Also, your rebuttal is flawed as well. Christianity used to have maybe 50 percent of the worlds people in belief. Now, where Christianity is most prominent, the US, only has about 75% of the people here in belief. Across the world, Christianity is falling, with so many other religions with other stupid claims. Christianity only has 33% of the worlds population in belief, and each year, that number is declining.
     
  10. MidianGTX

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    In my opinion... if each and every person was born, and never taught a thing about religion, if they'd never seen a religious script or symbol, if they didn't even know religions/faith/beliefs existed... they wouldn't become religious. However if God were real, everyone would be religious without needing to know of it beforehand.

    People follow a religion because other people are following it, not because they've found God by themselves, if they'd never heard the name "God", they wouldn't have any cause to think such a thing exists. The only reason they join up is because they're following an example set by other people, which also applies to Scientology... and we all know how much BS that is.
     
  11. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    #111 Lombardo, Oct 25, 2009
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    Exactly, the world would be a better place without religion. Less war, less stupidity, and more scientific discoveries. When christianity was the most prominent in the world was the dark ages. During the dark ages, almost no discoveries were made. They may as well have hibernated for 1000 years. After the dark ages came the renaissance and enlightenment era where humanism came into play instead of religious beliefs. Thousands of discoveries were made, making the world what it is today.
     
  12. CDubby94

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    There most definitely is evidence for creation as well as evidence disproving evolution.

    Take the Laws of Thermodynamics for example. The first one states that all life must come from life before it. Evolutionists' explanation for this law is spontaneous generation. Creationists' explanation is God. Both explanations take faith to believe in, since in order for life to begin, this law had to at one point be broken.

    Also the third law of thermodynamics states that disorder in the universe increases as it ages. This means that it would be impossible for a single celled organism to eventually end up becoming a human without something messing that up. It would take the perfect conditions over a long period of time for popuations to evolve until they become reasoning beings, and those perfect conditions just would not be possible because disorder continues to increase over time.

    Evolution also could not be possible due to the loss of information. Genetic mutations always result in a loss of genetic information, even though evolution requires a gain of genetic information. If a species of elephants' trunks go from short to long over time due to a genetic mutation, that population has lost the short trunk information. In order for evolution to occur, a species would have to gain information to become an entirely new one. Genetic information is always lost, never gained, even though it would have to be gained for evolution to be possible.

    That point about Criss Angel is not true because there were many sorcerers in Jesus's day, such as Simon and Bar-Jesus. Jesus, however, was more powerful than all of them. He was able to convert Simon to Christianity and blinded Bar-Jesus for trying to keep someone away from Christianity. These sorcerers could perform all kinds of witchcraft and miracles, but in the end who has been worshipped for the past 2000 years? Jesus, not some sorcerer.
     
  13. AaronAMV

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    And tell me, CDubby, where did God come from? Did he just appear from no where? Oh wait, you just said that's impossible. Did someone or something create God, but where did the creator of God come from?

    Any other stupid points you have to say?
     
  14. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    Jesus performed basic magic tricks. And for your "sorcerers" where are all the devil's men today? Where's Jesus? Where's any magical bullshit? Is it in Harry Potter? Please tell me you don't believe those "sorcerers" were actually inspired by the devil.

    You forgot the 2nd law of thermodynamics:
    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28308
     
  15. AaronAMV

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    Well he believes in God, so we can't be too sure.
     
  16. CDubby94

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    God is God. He doesn't come from anywhere. He has been here for eternity. It's hard for us to wrap our finite minds around that, but that's why it takes faith to believe.

    The point I was trying to make with that is if you believe in evolution, you have to have faith in something just as Christians do. It always seems that those who are atheists, agnostics and/or evolutionists claim to be the "logical" ones who have rational explanations for everything. But in the end even atheists believe in something that breaks scientific laws just like any other religion has to believe in something.
     
  17. MidianGTX

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    Woah woah hold on. How does this apply? You're talking about the Laws of Thermodynamics, but neither of those explain how it's possible... in fact both of them totally defy the laws which any normal-minded person might think makes them even less possible. Yet somehow you turn that into proof? You're basically saying that science is proof of God, because God did something that science can't possibly do. That doesn't work... it only takes it further from what we know is possible and catapults it into the depths of myth and faith.
     
  18. AaronAMV

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    but you just stated that things can't just magically appear, yet you stated that god has been here forever.

    Syntax error
     
  19. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    False. Where atheism ends is where scientific discoveries have not yet been advanced enough to explain. The faith I have is that somewhere in the future, discoveries such as aliens or new laws, will be enough to explain our existence.
     

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