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  1. DaveMc99

    DaveMc99 Well-Known Member

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    What political issues are important to you and why?
     
  2. LBG

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    War in Afghanistan.
    Anyone think it is a bad thing?
    I am all for it, the troops there are protecting the innocent civillians and providing aid/medical care. They are also training the Afhanistan Army so that they can protect themselves and their own people, lol.
    And theres nothing wrong in ridding the world of those scum bag terrorists.
     
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    These are not in order of importance:

    How to fight the terrorist threat, which is a real threat despite what some with their heads in the clouds (or up their asses) might think.

    How my tax dollars are used, and the disparity between taxes paid and services returned.

    Both the national debt and the national deficit which has increased over the past administration's term in office, to be sure, but was steadily increasing over the last term of the administration previous to that one and which many have sadly overlooked, and which continues to increase at an alarming rate during this administration. Analysis: both major political parties are and have been slowly sinking us into the poor house. It's only a matter of time before the check comes due.

    Trade imbalance. We import far more than we export, which ties into...

    ...the loss of the manufacturing core of this nation. We simply don't make a lot of what we should, and while that shows how much greater interdependence between nations has become, it show a vulnerability in our republic. The fact is that self-sufficiency is still a must in this day and age, and we are not as self-sufficient as we really ought to be.

    Illegal immigration, outsourcing, and the rampant unemployment in some American born minority communities (particular black Americans) that simply should not be. And, yes...all three issues are, in fact, tied together in some ways despite what some naysayers may think. Outsourcing of jobs now not only affects the manufacturing sector, but pretty much all sectors of jobs. Illegal immigration, a vile institution, is part and parcel with outsourcing as a way for companies to pay lower than the going wage for jobs and continue to abuse those that work for them. And all the while the unemployment rate keeps on rising, particularly in black American communities.

    Education, and why we don't have a goddamn national standard already for public schools, why the schools are failing us, which ties into how our tax dollars are used because we are sinking more and more money into failing systems.

    Rampant crime in our streets and in our neighborhoods. This is not simply a local issue for local and state law enforcement to handle. I'm not an advocate of anti gun legislation, but the fact is that each state having widely different control laws on the books makes for an illegal blackmarket. One national law that all states have to follow to the letter with nothing added nor taken away would alleviate this issue quite a bit as the reason the blackmarket of interstate illegal gun sales exists is due to the differences in control laws.

    The decrease in pay in comparison to the cost of living (pay has increased, yes, but not enough to stand on even keel with cost of living, which also varies from state to state).

    A tax system that makes little sense to those who pay into it.

    I could go on and on but I'll end there, for now.
     
  5. spiffyone

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    Reason #1 that we should be glad Biden wasn't elected Commander-in-Chief.

    When the world's foremost experts in the differing tactics of counterinsurgency and counterterrorism are telling you that they need to implement a counterinsurgency model and you ignore them, you should never, ever, ever be put in charge.

    At least Obama is increasing the levels, not as many as was requested, but enough to see if the strategy, in limited form, will work and therefore be used as a test to see if additional increases are due. He's not agreeing with them outright, but he is seeing that their wisdom can prove valuable enough to at least try.
     
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  7. LBG

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    I don't really know much about US politics.
    Don't know much about UK politics either, lol.
    Although I do know that the MPs need to stop spending the tax payers money (or they should be shot asap). And the government needs to stop splashing out money on random things like there's no tomorrow. It's my generation's pensions they really should be concerned about. The recession is going to hit us youngsters the hardest, we will find it hard to find jobs and it is likely that we will have no/very little pension. And then you have the old farts who are moaning that they are not getting enough, well at least they are actually getting a pension at all.

    And Gordon Brown is a douche bag. Tony Blair was much better.
    David Cameron FTW!!!
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    (and **** the BNP)
     
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    Reminds me of another issue in the UK.
    Immigration.
    We have had truck load after truck load of immigrants in the UK, quite a few of them Polish.
    I am ok with immigration, so long as it is MODERATION. What I don't agree with (and would be prepared to riot for) is mass immigration to the point where some places consist of a majority of foriegners. This is England after all, and no place in England (or any other country for that matter) should have more immigrants than locals. For example the English city of Leicester has an extemely high percentage of immigrants (even more than English people, I believe). They have even replaced the original city centre statue with a statue of the Buddha! That is very wrong.

    Another thing I heard about was some muslim guy who sued the police after he applied for a job as a riot policeman (oh the irony ;)) and got turned down because he refused to remove his turban which he needed to remove in order to wear the mandatory riot helmet. If someone is not fit/willing for the job, then they should not be given the job. End of story. And trying to sue the police because of it? That's just outrageous.
    We should lock immigrants like these up in cages and send them back to the county they came from, maybe with a label around their neck saying 'REJECTED' or 'FAULTY'.
     
  9. le'deuche123

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    Sad thing is....I feel you really believe that:confused:
     
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  12. Theta-Omega

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    I think i'm just gonna lie down until the headache i got from reading this goes away.
     
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  14. d1

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    i dont like obama :)
     
  15. Theta-Omega

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    No, i'm sure there are other conservatives here. Also, our current President is Christian, and i don't believe he ever said he was Muslim.
     
  16. le'deuche123

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    Actually obama was covertly elected by established terrorists in prominent positions as lobbyists, asserting their sway on the electorate to get one of their own bomb strapped quran wielding "ter-rist", into the highest position of power in the US government. This is fact....also your right he was born to muslims in Kenya, where he lernt all his bomb making fancy science and thangs!
     
  17. starjimstar

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    To answer the original question; GLBT rights, of course. As Bayard Rustin said; "gay people are the new barometer for social change. . . . The question of social change should be framed with the most vulnerable group in mind: gay people."

    The infiltration of US policy is cause for concern. For example: Canadian census data is managed by Lockheed Martin and our medical records are handled by Maximus Inc. Both are US owned companies, subject to section 215 of the Patriot Act.

    Also, I am dreading the 2010 Olympic Winter Games. We have already seen unconstitutional policies installed and the debate of which is being prolonged until after the event. Golly, I don't want to clean up after that mess. I think I will take the opportunity to go on vacation. ;)
     
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    You should probably just stay out of this thread.
     
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