Nolan's Batman is grounded in reality. He uses that "voice" for 2 reasons: 1. To disguise his voice. Would you rather him go around talking with the high pitched voice of a 10 year old? 2. To inspire fear in his enemies. Batman uses theatrics, and that's one of them. He had his mouth covered. Cover your mouth with both your hands and see if you sound the same as you do without covering your mouth. TDK was amazing, and had nothing to do with Ledgers death making it any "better". The story, acting and writing are superb.
Um, his "AAAAHMN BAAAATMAN" crappy voice is supposed to inspire fear? As for disguising himself, that's just stupid. His voice is dumb. In no way can anyone justify it. Your arguments amount to grasping at straws. And I don't think that you have to go to the complete opposite extreme. No, he doesn't need to have a high pitched 10 year old voice. That's just silly. Honestly, I can't argue with you apparently. If you think that Nolan's batman is grounded in reality, with a character like Bane and The Joker's magical ability to predict EVERYTHING that Bat is going to do (seriously the bazooka shot at Dent was just dumb) plus Bane. Oh, and Bane. Oh, and everything. It's fantasy, it may not be as unrealistic as a Superman, but don't be silly. I have to go but I'm sure you'll want to discuss this further later.
I respect your opinion... and I do concede that for me to enjoy a story in a film, it doesn't take much. If I feel the story is interesting in any way, and the movie conveys it well enough, I don't really care all that much if there are any plotholes. I watch movies partly for analyzing the cinematography, editing, acting, and writing, but I also watch them for entertainment. I couldn't care less if a movie has plotholes... I think it's a waste of energy to try and rip a movie apart for plot inconsistencies. It's a movie, and in most cases it is supposed to be an adventure into a fantasy realm that you get sucked into from the beginning, and then get slowly dropped out of as the end credits start rolling. It's not supposed to reflect the laws of physics, gravity, plot consistency, etc. from reality... that's not usually the case, especially nowadays. In my opinion, at least, I think looking for plotholes is a terrible thing to do because it can ruin a movie completely for some people... no matter how enjoyable it is, people will still pick at it. If you dig deep enough into a movie, you will find plotholes. Guaranteed there is not a standard movie out there without at least one plot "hole." And most of the times, these "holes" are really just things the writers don't explain 100% and can be easily brushed off as threads left deliberately up for audience interpretation and discussion. Anyways... taking that into account, I don't have anything to say about Nolan's Batman trilogy to counter that you see tons of plotholes in them. Even if there were any, I don't care... I think they're amazing movies that are impeccably well-made, and it is absolutely the strongest trilogy I have experienced so far. There is rarely a slouching moment in the whole trilogy, and that's very uncommon. I'm not much a fan of you telling me I lost all credibility for thinking a certain movie this year was good enough to put in my Top 3... That's really rude of you. I can guarantee you there are movies that are far worse than Pain and Gain that I loved, and far better that I loathed... and the same can be said for you. No matter what you think on your cinematic high horse, your top film list is not perfect or infallible. There will be people that disagree with some, perhaps even all, of your selections. But it's not about impressing people... at least not for me. I used to be that way, actually, I'll admit. I used to only watch critically-acclaimed movies and get myself to like them, and feel like an absolute failure if I didn't enjoy them, or if I enjoyed anything that the critics hated. I have since owned up to the fact that I have my own opinion and the critical reviews are meant to just be gauges for the kind of quality you -should- expect. Even then they are never 100%. I loved Pain & Gain. I thought it was a slickly-edited, well-scored movie with a very neat story about the rise and fall of criminality. So what if that kind of story has been seen in so many movies before this? This one just hit the exact right spot for me. I thought the acting was fantastic as well, as all the characters were appropriately portrayed as dummies and jerks, but the obvious good guys were portrayed as extremely smart. Ed Harris owned his role, even with as little screentime as he may have had. I also enjoyed the elements of dark comedy in the film. I'm glad the comedy didn't overrun the entire movie like a couple of the trailers led me to believe. The true story is obviously not something to have been taken lightly and turned into a comedy... but I appreciated that they attempted to inject some dark comedy into the mix. I thought the high contrast that Michael Bay is known for was a perfect fit for the film as well. Honestly... Pain & Gain was an amazing movie for me. Sorry you feel I lost all my credibility for enjoying something that you perhaps didn't like as much. Listen, I don't want to offend you or make you mad, but you are striking me as someone that only watches movies that are critical darlings. Even if you see a trailer or read a synopsis for a movie that you consider to sound interesting, you will avoid it at all costs if it isn't universally-loved by critics. You don't give yourself much room to have fun with movies. Being critical of a movie is possible while also enjoying it... Take the Twilight series for instance. I'm a huge fan of the series for their entertainment value and I also feel I have a sentimental attachment to them for personal reasons. I can identify how they are lambasted by critics and people, though. I don't deny their crappiness But I don't let that stop me from having a good time. All I'm saying is that I used to be just like you are seeming to be, but I changed, and I'm so happy I did. I realized that the way I was watching movies was unfair. I was throwing movies by the wayside simply because they weren't rated well... I was only watching movies that were claimed as masterpieces. I created a Top 10 list of movies I saw that I didn't like but the critics adored, and even added a couple movies I had never seen before. I was living a lie, and it was no longer about analyzing the movies for personal pleasure, even -enjoying- the movies for personal pleasure, but it became an exercise in trying to one-up other film buffs with my impeccably-crafted Top 10 list. If I have you wrong, please forgive me. I don't mean to offend you. But... your post reeks of everything I used to spout off without thought many years back. You can enjoy movies that aren't well-received... you can dislike movies that are commended as masterpieces. I take movies quite seriously, and have problems when people don't accept my opinion. If I love a movie and someone refuses to even give it a chance, I hate that so much. I'm very passionate about this. Even with that in mind, though, I am just having a really hard time not feeling intimidated by the idea that you consider my filmic tastes worthless because I loved a movie you deem as unworthy, and you add only a couple points to my reputation for several critical darlings that I also happen to enjoy. :\ Citizen Kane was one of the movies I used to post on my Top 10 list all the time, but I hadn't actually seen it until... the Christmas in 2011, I think. This was a few years after I had done the Top 10 List fudging, but anyways, I watched it, and was seriously blown away by it. The cinematography was just... God... it was beautiful. It reignited my passion for cinematography, and I always watch it from time to time to view it in all its glory once again. There's no reason that movie should not be in my Top 10 for real, so I slotted it right then and there So technically I -wasn't- lying all those years when I said I loved Citizen Kane Here's an explanation for why you can't see why anyone would love the Nolan Batman trilogy: your opinion is different than what seems to be the mainstream. Many people hate the Nolan Batmans and that's okay. But don't put people down for thinking the movies are of a different caliber than you do Same goes for Pain & Gain. I mean, that seriously offends me that you are brushing my opinion off because of that movie. I can't believe you would have the audacity to do such a silly thing. I'm no slouch to great movies. I have probably seen just as many movies as you, and have studied them just as deeply. Don't you dare put my taste down in such a condescending way.
The Dictator was so provacative. It had some funny moments though. Can't see it was enjoyable overall. Just want to see the GoT finale already. Few more hours to go!
Agreed. Even the 3 combined don't beat T2 MC - I will start out with confirming that I was not serious with my comment, hence the "" and the fact that it was all of 1 sentence. That's all. Versus your um... well, your very lengthy post. And I would like to stress that I love movies that aren't "critical darlings" just as much as I love those that are. If you look through my list, I enjoy a vast variety of movies of varying critical quality. Just the other night I watched Night at the Roxbury with my wife for the umpteenth time. As for other films I love that aren't cinematic masterpieces? Ace Ventura, Ernest Goes to Jail/Camp, Encino Man, George of the Jungle, Journey to the Center of the Earth (1 AND 2), Airheads, Con Air, Last Action Hero, the Hot Shots, Naked Gun and Loaded Weapon movies, License to Drive, Mannequin, Howard the Duck, Over the Top, The Garbage Pail Kids... I could go on. And on and on. And on. That said, if someone was to tell me that License to Drive was #5 in their top movies, I would question their tastes to some degree and I don't think I would as willingly accept their movie recommendations as I would someone whose rankings I'm more inline with. As for my list dump of movies, it had been a while and there is rarely talk here of more serious films, and far too often is so heavily focused on nothing more than blockbuster films, Batman especially. I'm not saying anyone is wrong to not only like but love the films, but for them to be ranked in the top 10 films of all time is when it puts the whole IMDB ranking system in question. Basically I went off on a tangent when I went to check the placement of Nolan's trilogy. To think that ANY of the Batman movies is ranked above some of the best, most powerful moves ever made really makes me sad. Constantly seeing critically brilliant films falter because everyone is going to see Mega Blockbuster 2000543 while someone like Nolan is no longer creating stuff like Memento. It seems so much is taking back seat to making movies visually arresting, and I will give those films that. But again, I do also love a huge range of films, but this thread and a lot of the people here don't tend to lean toward them which is where I tend to focus my energy when posting. Which all leads us to where we are now. The Internet: Causing little things to turn into big things daily!
I'll admit this: I have not seen Citizen Kane. I haven't because of the hype. I keep on hearing that its great. But I don't want to watch it and be dissapointed. As for losing respect for someone over a movie opinion? Really? I like cheap B movies. Especially creatire features. They are fun. Do you not respect me for enjoying those? I mean come on. Everyone has prefrences. In closing, I leave you a personal favorite. Is it among the greatest? No. But its Enjoyable. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9-XgGH6zH8 Lets watch a movie for fun now, eh?
Yeah, Batman's voice is easily the worst thing about the new movies. I would laugh point blank in his face if he pulled that crap on me. It's how I imagine teenage kids think they sound when they threaten people through YouTube comments. ...and I rated The Dark Knight a 10 on IMDb, but it has little to do with Christian Bale. I gave T2 a 10 as well.
Sorry for the misunderstanding... It's apparent that once I mistook your first comment as a textual attack on my film tastes, the rest of your comment came off as obscenely pompous and arrogant... now that I know you were kidding with that remark... I still feel like your post comes off as extremely arrogant, but maybe you are also joking in that department Sorry for the misunderstanding. You are right... serious movie discussions are not too frequent at this forum, though there are always other forums to have them at! And as for the part of your message I -did- quote, I am aware I take the internet too seriously sometimes. :\
Lol, I agree about the voice. It was tolerable in BB, but in TDK he sounded like an over exaggerated impression of Clint Eastwood. And not in a good way. "I'M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS!"
Okay remember, one comment I made, lets not go crazy now please. Haha, I'll forever hear that when I read YT comments now, and it might actually make them tolerable... Maybe. Nope, I'm not joking in that department. I HONESTLY believe every film I listed is a film everyone has to see at least once in their lives. But I intended it to sound enthusiastic and excited. I want people to see these films. I really believe in the ones I suggested. I love movies, they're my second love next to my kids. I love bad movies, I love popcorn flicks and I also love movies that really matter. Movies that make a difference, that have depth and layers. A really good movie can be enjoyed casually as well as critically. But again, a movie can have none of that stuff and I can easily and happily love it. Simple as that. On a more accessible movie note, I REALLY want to see The End...
Just saw Road to Perdition with a few friends. Wow. Great movie, awesome cast. Tom Hanks, Paul Newman, Daniel Craig, Jude Law, and more. Good stuff.
I need to watch it again, it's been too long. It was brilliant. I also need to read the comic again, it's been so many years. Holy crap it's 12 years old... Egads.
Films im excited for are man of steel, pacific rim, elysium(matt damon),europa report. Recent films I've watched and loved are I saw the devil, Upstream color(limited release, only place i saw was IFC in manhattan by my area),and The east with ellen page. The east was a great film about eco-terrorism. It got a little campy in certain areas, but I loved the general premise of an operative going undercover.
It's really unfair to compare them. Not many films are comparable to 400 Blows imo. One of the best films ever. If someone wants something Asian, I recommend Tokyo Story. One of the must watch in life.
My comparison is just to establish a film that has a character that some might consider to be unlikeable, but still is a draw for the audience. But I do agree that 400 blows is perfect beyond perfect. It was the film that introduced me to the brilliance of Truffaut. Did you know how close he was with Hitchcock? As for Tokyo Story, I can say only one thing. YES YES YES YES YES. I just met you, this is crazy... But you have awesome taste in movies
