I don't mind sudden death, but matches are almost never won by capturing the flag. They just end up being a last man standing contest. So while I like the current system, I don't love it and would probably like a switch to the MC4 rules.
Where do you guys put the slide button? It seems pretty useless over on the left side of the screen, but I can't find a good spot on the right.
The Red I think the game is most of the game is great, besides the how easy it is to spawn kill in construction site. The thing that annoys me the most is how op the Red is. It ha so e shooter me many times, and 1 on 1 the red simply beats most every gun. It has to be nerfed. I would love to know your thoughts on it too
The Red absolutely does not need to be nerfed further. They already increased the hip fire spread and decreased its damage and range. Any further nerds would render it useless. It will still beat another assault player with a lesser weapon but, well, that's why it's the tier 5 weapon. Against non assault players, it actually is the weakest if the others have maxed weapons for the class. At close to medium range, it has little or no hope against a heavy with the top weapon. At long range, it has zero hope against a sniper with the top weapon and even at mid range the sniper handgun will put you under pressure but the sniper handgun definitely will win at close range. You have some chance against a recon with the top weapon but you need to be out of their range to have a good chance. So, no, nerfing it further will render it useless. If anything the lower weapons should be buffed. Assault isn't even my preferred class any more, sniper is even though I hate sniper weapons in most games. The handgun more than compensates because the Luks has a mighty fire rate and the sniper damage buff for handguns makes it a killer class when you have a one hit kill sniper rifle for ranged shots. Once more and more people start using other classes than the assault and have the max weapon in those classes, people,will want the Red to be buffed again because the maxed other classes can easily defeat it.
Its still more powerful compared to other T5 weps. The accuracy, range, hipfire, and damage is ridiculous. At least it was, did they nerf it again or something?
Against the other tier 5 weapons paired with class perks, no, it is not more powerful. I can easily take out a Red equipped assault player with my luks equipped sniper. And that's not even a tier 5 handgun.
If anything they should buff the T5 recon weapons. There are more and more Heavy class playing because the weapons are so powerful and they can shoot explosives at you at close range without dying (this needs to be fixed IMO). Snipers seem to be very agile and deadly with their T5 weapons. On another note, they really need to fix the grenade suicide bug. The other night I was playing CTF and threw grenades before the pre-game countdown. A second after I respawned when the game started although the nades I threw were nowhere near me (respawning moved my position on the map) and had exploded already I died from "suicide".
Yeah but that is because you have better tactics that allow you to accomplish that. But statistically it is much more powerful in comparison.
In comparison to a handgun, it'd want to be better but if its as overpowered as people seem to think, it would be undefeatable. The fact is its not undefeatable. It is more powerful than any other assault rifle but it is the tier 5 weapon in that class, it should be. People are only classifying it as overpowered when compared with the same class. In relation to the tier 5 weapons in other classes, it is not overpowered, it's simply competitive. Nerfing it any further will simply make it a heavier slower moving recon tier 5 weapon and then what would be the point of an assault class at all. It simply wouldn't be competitive.
Overpowered does not classify it as undefeatable. Compared to the other almost maxed out T5 classes, the RED with the combination of assualt perks gives the user greater advantages. Making the weapons & classes balanced will make the game competitive.
As you're not playing it anymore, I'm not really sure why you're continuing with this nerf Red thing still but I'll bite anyway. The recon is far superior as a T5 weapon with upgraded class perks from behind. Far far superior. And at close range, its fire rate on even the second last weapon is hard to beat. The only way to beat it is stay out of its range and even at that, it's still pretty powerful. The handgun for the sniper, even at tier 3, with perks is almost on par with red and if you get the first shot in, you will win with it. If it had a more rounds and an even slight increase in fore rate, it would be the weapon of the game. The Crumplor for the heavy will kill anything and if you have an almost fully perked heavy, the red will take half to a third of a mag to take it down and that's assuming g you survive long enough to get off half a mag. Which you won't against a mid range heavy with a full auto shotgun because you'll be down in two rounds at close range from that so it'll be over already. At range, the sniper is a one hit kill. With crosshairs equipped, you should be able to hit your target in three rounds from hip fire and if you're any good at all with the right scope attached, it won't matter because it will be over in one round from the rifle. Add in the no flinch perk and it won't really even matter what gun the other guy is using. And that's only a quick look at some of the classes. So I'll repeat my point. The Red is not over powered, it's simply competitive. It is an assault rifle so it has many situations and a wider range where it is useful but against even a semi perked class that a player is using as the class should be, by being aware of their perks, using them, sticking to weapon ranges and so on, well its no more overpowered than anything else that is a T5 weapon. The fact that anybody is still asking for it to be nerfed tells me that they simply don't understand the other classes at all, haven't perked them up and are sticking to the assault class and making their comparisons against other assault class weapons. And to reiterate further, this is not one of those games that the guns need to be full clips to take down enemies. If that's what you're looking for, there's plenty of them out there. If this game becomes that situation, it will be instantly deleted and never looked at again irrelevant of what updates come out. I have no interest in a game that requires using anything over half a magazine of hits to take a player down, it would just be ridiculous. It seems to be what you want but I find that just a bit ironic from some one with a k/d over 3. Or had when they were still playing. Why someone would want to be carrying around a less effective weapon baffles me and it seems more like someone who doesn't want themselves to be killed by the weapon as much rather than someone who wants it more balanced. Sorry but that's how it looks to me. On that note, I'm discussing it no further other than to say, anyone who thinks the red is over powered, try another class, perk up and get those weapons to t5. You'll see pretty quickly why the Red needs to be at the level it is at.
I was a very active player. I played on the same version you're playing on today. I'm just taking a little break. I still care for the game. I still like the game. You brought up the topic. I commented on it. We're debating it. This thread is dying anyways... And come on you must admit, debating it pretty fun lol. I've unlocked every gun. I've used with every T5 gun for around the same amount of time. I've unlocked all the attachments. Yes every T5 gun/class has an advantage. Every gun/class has a disadvantage. Aside from the RED/assualt, it only has advantages. Maybe tiny little disadvantages that don't even matter. Yes I agree, some lower tiered guns should be buffed. Everyone I've seen post has agreed on that so far. No. I dont care about my kd. I don't care about dying. I don't care if someone out plays me. I care about the games balance. Use a whole clip to kill someone? It feels as if you're judging my opinion because have a 3kd. I have no say now?
Where exactly did I say that? You're personalising something that is not personal. I simply disagree that the Red needs to be nerfed, outlined the reasons why I believe that and I was in fact originally replying to someone else who asked about it so i didn't bring it up, I simply replied to their question on it and believed it was worth countering. I also outlined that you are not playing it anymore because on the App Store it is the same version number but we all know very well tweaks can be done over the air. The first nerf was done that way. The hipfire nerf was done the same way. And whether you've unlocked all the guns or not, it doesn't sound like you've come up against a fully perked heavy because if you had you'd know that in a face to face battle, a fully perked heavy will beat the assault Red every time. And yeah, it will take very close to a full clip to take them down in most situations unless you're lucky enough to get a headshot while flinching from being hit by a fully auto shotgun. As to your k/d ratio, well, my own one is crap but I if ever want to increase it, I use the sniper and handgun, not the red, because that is the most effective combination of speed and accuracy. And it leaves me the option of the sniper rifle for long range one shot kills. In the wrong hands its useless, but in the right hands, that is easily the most effective class and combination. And I hate sniper rifles, but it is still the most effective combination.
Stop crying "im too noob and i cant kill people with red34" and learn to play..really..red34 is REALLY slow and weak now
Its a bit hard not to when it sounds like it. I mean he whole debating topic. Who cares though, its a forum. The thread is pretty inactive anyways Haven't heard about any changes. People are still complaining about the same issues on twitter, palringo, and apparently here as well. Told ya I played the game a lot. Ofc I did. You literally have to be at arms reach to lose a gunfight to them, any further they'll have to get a direct shot on you twice, so 3 if youre strafing. By that time I could've downed him with my full auto RED. Pretty easy to get headshots too, just aim the bottom crosshair at their heads. Works on mc3-5. It sure doesnt feel like a whole clip. Huh... Didnt even know getting shot made the player flinch until now. Yeah its a pretty fun class, definitely my favorite. But if you want to up your kd, use the RED. It'll take most of the fun out of the game, but you'll just be dropping people like theres no tomorrow. I gtg anyways. Cheers dudes! And rip, or anyone in alpha, can you check if Dragonbored joined Alpha? Thanks!
You seem to have missed the point of what was being said. Nobody was "crying" or saying "can't kill people" with the red. Quite the opposite actually. It was being said its over powered and too easy to kill people. I disagree and I think it has been nerfed enough already. Its still effective but only barely so. And that's not quite the same as the "overpowered" perception people seem to have because that perception seems based around other assault weapons rather than other classes and their tier 5 weapons. It's not exactly the same as saying it can't kill people either, but when compared with the top tier in other classes, any further nerfs would render it useless against those classes.
Man the crumpler is a monster. no need to use the 5th weak 'nade launcher. I keep getting murdered by that OP thing lol. Think i'll try it.
