GameClub Minigore (by Mountain Sheep)

B34$T · Sep 15, 2009

sizzlakalonji said: ↑

It's not even about Timo...he's the artist. I think there's something up with the programmers...why can't they get a working update out, when others are flying out with the quickness. And to be honest, I probably have only posted 20 or so times in here...but I know I'm not liked by most here. I just honestly feel like someone has to blast through the hype and play devil's advocate once in a while.
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Maybe its that the programmers are, can it be, working? Really if you knew how hard it is to program a game like this you would be a lot more appreciative of their work.

SoCal_Sponger · Sep 15, 2009

lots of hype and still no update(s) yet...

Dark NRG · Sep 15, 2009

I hope we don't need that cute dog anymore

Combzzz · Sep 16, 2009

TimoVihola said: ↑

Happy to hear that you liked the gameplay video

Let's talk about zombies for a minute! For a good while now we've been trying to figure out a way to put them into the game. The problem has been how to make it run on anything older than iPhone 3GS with reasonable amount of zombies on the screen. We did some heavy optimizing during the last few days and I think the zombie apocalypse could be closer than you think!

(Head pops open when you shoot once - check lower left corner - and the top of the head flies off if you shoot more - brain splatters when you shoot even more)

There's some new stuff we're doing with the achievements. Example: The base achievement is unlocking "Character X" by killing 1000 zombies.
There's gonna be several sub-achievements that award you OpenFeint points while your making your way towards 1000 kills. First subgoal is at 100, second at 250, third at 500 and the grand prize is revealed at 1000 kills.
Of course that's just an example but you get the point.

Aldex Oun: You're the original leaderboard number 1, right? It could be said that insane mode was built because you went over our magic limit Magic limit is higher now and it's harder to pass ...in case someone DOES pass the new limit we'll call the next level of existence "inferno" Or maybe we should just get you or some of those other 15 000+ scorers into the beta team hehe

reinhart menken: Texturing and modeling was harder on the helicopter model than John Gore model. Optimizing, concept art and animating was harder on the John Gore model so the total work amount is pretty close when you take all that into account.

ttursas: I can kinda see where you're coming from in the discussion. I've talked to a lot friends about game design and how to locate the "line" between gameplay and graphics or audio... They're all part of the same equation called "game". We humans mostly use visual and aural sensors to probe the world so that alone dictates that you gotta have at least some graphics OR sounds to make a game. But how much? That varies from person to person and it varies a lot!

My perspective as a visual person could be explained like this:
1. Your character jumps from 1m tall roof. There's a small puff of dust and a faint sound.

2. Your character jumps from 2m tall roof. There's a big puff of dust and a loud sound.

3. Your character jumps from 3m tall roof. There's a huge puff of dust and the sound is very loud

<-- for me details like that improve the thing called "gameplay" greatly. If it's a multiplayer game similar to Crackdown and I see huge puff of smoke on the street corner I know someone just landed there and I can prepare my my next move according to that. If the game didn't have that level of feedback I wouldn't know what's going on in this particular situation.

I personally would make these 3 heights quite carefully before implementing more heights.

Another comparison could be made from filming an event:

Person A plants a camera in a tripod and records an earthquake. The event is recorded exactly how the camera saw it.

Person B records the earthquake with 5 cameras. In the final footage this person captures "the feeling" of being there as a human by using editing, music and sounds. Watching it is like being there.

Some people prefer the mechanical approach and some prefer the emotional approach, some prefer combinations of the two. My favourite games have strong characters and lots of artistic expression that are built on solid technical foundations. Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are the two all-time favourites for me.

If you compare those two games on paper to something like Final Fantasy XIII you'll notice that they don't match well with quantity. But it wasn't their intention to do 100 different enemies, instead in SOTC they made a horse that acts almost like a real horse. Ico had only two hero characters but the level of interaction went above and beyond anything seen on an FF game.

In Minigore we've tried to develop an interesting & coherent world and a recognizable lead character with lots of charisma.

The keyword above is coherent. Final Fantasy has green slimes, blue slimes and pink slimes among the Tetsuya Nomura designed masterpieces. I would never put filler characters like the slimes into my own projects. The characters have to look like they're from the same universe. All our co-op characters that are visiting from other games get Minigore art treatment so they fit the style, and they were carefully chosen. We made the choice to include characters from other games because players like customization in multiplayer.

For story mode we will only use Mountain Sheep creations because that is the only way to make sure the pieces fit 100%.

That other helicopter was from our earlier game Super Hind, this is the helicopter heading to Minigore: (notice more cartoony proportions)

From a business perspective strong intellectual property is the best thing you can have in the game industry. Our last game was about helicopters and it's just very hard thing to sell to publishers when it's not about living beings "Ok, so the player is... a helicopter?" sums it up. If you propose Jason Bourne Helicopter Action it might be more successfull in their eyes

Dark NRG: Yeah, we're improving the gore effects bit by bit

Vester: Blood that stays on the ground is quite resource intensive once you start having hundreds of blood splatters but maybe we'll figure out a good compromise. On Xbox 360 you could easily draw it into the background texture and have infinite amount of blood.

Azrael: It's submitted and has the new OpenFeint. (plus a couple of achievements)

Combzzz: I hope this is what you're looking for:

Aaargh, what a long post!!

-Timo
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perfect
thanks for the updae about the game!

violatizzle · Sep 16, 2009

Dark NRG said: ↑

I hope we don't need that cute dog anymore
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i hope you are wrong

Windburn · Sep 16, 2009

I know we are all very interested in Timo's update, but is there really a need to quote his post every time someone wishes to reply to it? It's a detailed, long post thankfully, but not one I care to see in every other person's reply

Learn some forum etiquette, please! (Don't mean to pick on anyone in particular, just thought I'd point it out for the sake of forum legibility)

p0rtalthinker101 · Sep 16, 2009

Windburn said: ↑

I know we are all very interested in Timo's update, but is there really a need to quote his post every time someone wishes to reply to it? It's a detailed, long post thankfully, but not one I care to see in every other person's reply

Learn some forum etiquette, please! (Don't mean to pick on anyone in particular, just thought I'd point it out for the sake of forum legibility)
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Yea, I thought about that after I hit "post." Sorry

violatizzle · Sep 16, 2009

man seeing the post on the front page of toucharcade about the numerous updates got me excited booo

dommur · Sep 16, 2009

Zombies would be awesome but so would the next update. lol any word on that yet

sic · Sep 16, 2009

Joker13z said: ↑

Just because I happen to like a game makes me a fanboy? I mean honestly, that would mean absolutely every game I like makes me a fanboy for that particular item. I have stated once in this thread what I do dislike about this game. However, unlike you, I have stated it once and am done with it. I do not obsess over what I dislike and can move on from it. And like Midian stated, you apparently visit this thread way more than some of the "fanboys" do.
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+1 for this

reinhart_menken · Sep 16, 2009

Windburn said: ↑

I know we are all very interested in Timo's update, but is there really a need to quote his post every time someone wishes to reply to it? It's a detailed, long post thankfully, but not one I care to see in every other person's reply

Learn some forum etiquette, please! (Don't mean to pick on anyone in particular, just thought I'd point it out for the sake of forum legibility)
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Yeah, seems a lot of TA forumites don't know how to snip quotes. I wince every time I see people simply quote any whole darn long post.

Slone · Sep 17, 2009

Hey Timo, ever consider a T-Rex boss?
rawr!
You should call it Slone =]

AttackOfThePwned · Sep 17, 2009

Slone said: ↑

Hey Timo, ever consider a T-Rex boss?
rawr!
You should call it Slone =]
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A T-Rex as a boss in Hardland? I don't really see the vision.

It would be funny though to have one like Yoshi as a playable character called "Stoner." A little dino high on life who through no fault of his own feels he needs to throw rocks with his puny little arms as a defense tactic.

Illegal Danish · Sep 17, 2009

Man I can't wait for the update just got about 3500 my hiscores only about 3900 but with this update I'm hoping to get insane mode. Hey Timo can you tells us what's to be in eppisode 3 besides grenade or could you at least give a hint?

Combzzz · Sep 17, 2009

i have gone on strike and i will not update anything until this update comes out
i now have 13 important updates and i wil not hit update until minigore update is out

Windburn · Sep 17, 2009

Combzzz said: ↑

i have gone on strike and i will not update anything until this update comes out
i now have 13 important updates and i wil not hit update until minigore update is out
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Haha, generally the point of industrial strike action is to apply pressure on a particular stakeholder by removing from them something they require (ie. labour). Your refusing to update other applications that you have already paid for won't do anything to help things, unfortunately.

On the other hand, if you elected not to purchase other applications in the interim, and got a respectable following behind you to do the same...

Combzzz · Sep 17, 2009

Windburn said: ↑

Haha, generally the point of industrial strike action is to apply pressure on a particular stakeholder by removing from them something they require (ie. labour). Your refusing to update other applications that you have already paid for won't do anything to help things, unfortunately.

On the other hand, if you elected not to purchase other applications in the interim, and got a respectable following behind you to do the same...
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haha i know i just dont wanna update until minigroe update is out
anndddddd im not buying apps either
EAT IT APPLE!
or eat a apple
either one pisses them off

Illegal Danish · Sep 17, 2009

Yah way to stick it to the man er apple

Slone · Sep 17, 2009

AttackOfThePwned said: ↑

A T-Rex as a boss in Hardland? I don't really see the vision.
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At this point I agree, but they could some how tie it in with the whole Master of Puppets thing; one of his creations maybe? I was thinking a fast moving, minigore styled T-Rex boss would be awesome.

mrchennyken · Sep 17, 2009

Minigore's coming out awesome so far, from what Timo has posted. I honestly can't wait until all the updates are out

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