Lost: The Ending

How about explaining the rules, and Jacob's "fascination" with numbers? These were CRUCIAL points in the show yet they were explained by "They're just numbers Kate" And we never hear how these rules were set or laid out, WHAT RULES?... You don't think these should have been answered? Or why Widmore was banished?! Of course I can come up with my own theories anyone can.
This is about them ending the show properly, they could have done one more season and tied it all up, instead they introduce the alter-verse scenario, and this is meant to NULL AND VOID anything that happened on the island in terms of things being answered?!
I'm still disappointed, and you guys can say I'm dumb for wanting the answers, but I don't understand how a true LOST fan wouldn't at least want the major stuff answered?

 

The ending was absolutely awful. It saddens me to hear that anyone liked it.

They took what was a pretty good show and they raped it with a sophomoric cop out of an ending which basically ruined everything that came before it.

If I had wanted to watch "Left Behind" I would have (killed myself instead).

 

I thought it was miraculous.

 

The Rules - I don't understand how people don't get this. MiB and Jacob's fake mum (the crazy one that kills their actual mum) created the rules so that MiB and Jacob could not kill each other. Why? She loves them and doesn't want to see them hurt each other. Or she's just crazy. Being on an Island alone for god knows how long does that to people (Claire). How did she 'make the rules'? Well you could take two trains of thought on that, first, Island magicks. Second, she didn't do anything but say she'd made rules. The line is something like "I made it so you can't harm each other", yet Jacob beats the hell out of MiB and throws him into the light. Seems kinda harmful to me. Jacob and MiB just got trolled into believing the rules to be true.
The only part of the Rules that is highly debatable is the rules between Ben and Widmore. We can only assume they have some knowledge of the rules between MiB and Jacob, and wish to emulate them in a gentlemen's agreement.
I admit, many of the smaller references to 'rules' are inexplicable, such as between Mikhail and that black women. The only fathomable answer is that, because Jacob and MiB are governed by rules, this bleeds thru the Lostiverse to other characters having rules. Like the black and white motif for example.

The Numbers - Yes, they were never fully explained properly. We got bits and pieces, but seriously, ask an actual question about them. They are numbers. They feature in the show a butt-load. Jacob seriously likes those numbers. He also likes weaving tapestries. What kind of explanation were you expecting? We know they are the Valenzetti Equation, which predicts the end of the world (oh hey, wasn't that a big plot point too?), and they're also used as markers for candidates. That's why they're in the show.

Widmore's banishment - Widmore was banished by Ben for 'breaking the rules'. Ben claims that leaving the Island (and also having a child with an outsider, although that part is not so important) are against the rules. We know it's not really. Ben is just saying this to gain control of the Others. Ben 'talks to Jacob', the true leader of the others, he can make up anything he wants and sell it as gospel. Alternately, Ben and Widmore have expanded on their own rules, and Widmore has actual broken them, giving Ben an excuse to banish him


Sure, you can claim these are just theories and speculation, but it's not like I'm going off track with facts not prevalent in the show already. There have always been clues in the show, even for mysteries that have been solved. I'm just connecting the dots: if you want to stay LOST, so be it. The show has always been about mysteries, so why wouldn't they want to leave a few juicy ones open at the end for people to discuss for years to come?

 

It's amazing how few people in my school did not understand the ending. I found it to be crystal clear, and it tied up most of the loose ends. I was quite satisfied, though I expected a bit more.
Now the ending of 24.....that was.....UGH

 

Like I said ANYONE can come up with theories and while they may be somewhat a given, there is the feeling you've missed my point.

I understand that the writers can't awnser everything, but the big things were left out. I don't care what people feel one way or the other, but the show was about the island and why the people were brought there... Was it wrapped up? YES! Was it rushed and skipped over a ton of important stuff? YES! I could name a billion things that were 100% integral to the story that wasn't awnsered... So keep pretending you know everything there is when your just going off of what everyones agreed upon awnsers on the lostpedia forums or wherever you read up on lost. I'm glad a lot of fans liked it. And everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for me I was let down, and also knew by episode 4 S6 that it would be a let down for me... Like I said hopefully the boxset has some cool extras (I know it has a map). Also I can't wait for comicon to see how CC and DL respond to some of fans...

 

It's fine if you think it was a let down, you are entitled to your opinion. But to say there are massive things left open, as you put it, things that were "100% integral" to the plot, doesn't make sense; that would leave gaping plot holes. If something was explicitly answered, it didn't really matter all that much.

That's not to say that clues left behind for those unanswered questions, put back together with no deviation from the canon of Lost, should be considered wholly non-canonical. Sure I read Lostpedia every now and then for the odd fact-check, and pre-the finale to speculate on the conclusion, but I'm not just pulling random what if and or theories from it. What I've posted previously merely reiterates what has been shown on screen, with slight speculation and expansion (I admit the Widmore's banishment answer was a little long winded with my theorycraft at the end) but I clearly state first exactly what you are told on screen to answer your question (Obviously I didn't explain every single on screen appearance of the numbers, that would take forever)

Looking forward to hearing some of these billions of 100% integral to the story stuffs.

Edit: Really looking forward to the boxset too, one of the extras in particular, warning the following could be considered spolierish if you're hypersensitive to information

One of the extras is an 11 minute long epilogue to the series called "The New Man in Charge ", focusing on the Hurley and Ben years. It will also directly address Walt, the Hurley Bird, and provide more info on the Supply Drops

 

YES. This is how it really happened! I will save this image on my Mac for future generations..

I actually like how it ended without answering everything. People will be arguing and spec-ing about the show's unanswered questions for years now, and that is the true meaning of the show .

 

I did forget to say that the dog gif is genius.

 

One thing off the top of my head is Dogan, a character who somehow when dead allows smokey to infiltrate the temple. Why was he so special? There's a ton of things that were left out and crucial. Like I said for the 5th time. The rules are what the shows main characters are based off, yet we hear nothing about it. Also the whole Walt thing. And why was he back on the island appearing to Locke? He wasn't dead?... I'm glad you enjoyed it and it doesn't make the show bad for me but I was expecting MUCH more in terms of answers.

 

I accept there was no explanation given for why once Dogan died, MiB could enter the temple, beyond Island magicks, or "that's just how it works".
I admit there are parts of the Island Magicks we don't understand fully: because you can't understand magic, thats kind of it's inherent nature. Even if it was to be explained, it'd have to be something idiotic like midichlorian, that doesn't really need to be explained and doesn't really further our knowledge more than it raises more questions.
IMO, it was just an unimportant plot device, that was explained as much as it needed to be without bogging down the show with an explanation that'd eat up valuable time.

The rules regarding candidates were addressed so much over the course of the last series, some people have found it hard to put it all together. Firstly, MiB cannot kill one of Jacob's candidates. We know this because of his need to use roundabout methods to kill them, like the bomb on the sub, or even appearing as Jack's father in S1 and leading him off a cliff. Secondly, either characters who are candidates, or who the Island is "not done with", or both, (this does remain unclear, although it's not exactly a deal breaker in our understanding of the show), cannot die until such point that they are no longer candidates, or when the Island is "done with them". For example, Jack cannot die when he lights that stick of dynamite. However Illana accidentally blows herself to kingdom come with dynamite, because the Island is "done with her".
Just because no one onscreen goes: "hey guys, here's how those rules about candidates work!", doesn't mean it wasn't explained.

I already admitted Walt is a loose end that can't be tied up purely with information from the show. For now, we can only guess and theorise as to his powers and purpose. However it's not like we're never going to get an answer, like I said previously one of the DVD extras will address Walt.

 

The characters drove the story and the island mysteries drove our curiosity. If there were answers to everything in life, it would be a pretty boring place to live. The mysterious is always interesting, even without specific or solid answers.

For me the story ended with what it began with, the characters. That is what I will remember most about Lost and it's six season run. The island was always just the backdrop and secondary curiosity for me.

 

Some of us would've preferred it to not be a Cloverfield-styled soap opera. I liked it, but there are points where it seemed like the writers said, "**** it, let's just make it emotional, that'll make everyone happy".

 

It was a simple bait & switch.
Since the beginning they led us on with promises of a resolution which we expected to revolve around the mysteries of the crash and the island so we all focused on that. In the end though, they told us that it was about the characters and everything along the way wasn't important. This pretty much left them to make up what they liked as they went along without having to think too much about a resolution. Perhaps this was a good thing narratively and maybe what made the viewing such an experience.
Ultimately though the show disappoints and will not be remembered quite so fondly in the future, and the audience will be harder to fool next time..

 

I don't even care about answers, the show was one thing for almost six seasons and then at the end it turns into a piece of Christian religious propaganda? That's a flat out betrayal of the viewership.

Yeah they always had the theme of faith vs science but that is totally different from this afterlife nonsense they shoehorned in at the end.

Total creative failure. Damon and Carlton will not be taken seriously by me again, that's for sure.

 

I don't remember saying about Christianity except for the church in season 5 & the finale.

And write a better ending & post it.

 

In relation to the island this ending involved it being 'magic' and some of the characters taking a plane off it, even though most of them actually had left the island several seasons before and came back for some reason. The LA/heaven story was an ending on top of that which says they die later and go to heaven. I'd take any of the other theories I had heard over the years than that!

 

It's ridiculous to say write a better ending. It's one thing to simply watch the series, it's a completely different thing to be the cogs and wheels behind the series. When you're writing something, regardless of what it is, you usually have a sense of where it's headed. You may not know the ending, but you know where it's headed. As the writers added things such as the Dharma Initiative and the stations, the numbers, and finally Jacob, you'd thing these elements would all tie in together along with the cast. The writers should've had a purpose, a way to tie most of the loose ends (because in all honestly, it was a humongous task, keeping everything in check) and started closing the knot the last two seasons. I'm just guessing that they added too much cool stuff to really know what do with, took away the science and logic, and made it more a leap of faith that didn't end too well.

 

Yeah my point was they shoehorned this out of place nonsense into the finale: you are agreeing with me then.

A better ending would have been nothing at all, over that tripe.

As far as me writing a better ending, I could do so easily, but not for free on demand from someone who asks for one in lieu of making an intelligent argument...