Liberals VS Conservatives?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Lounge' started by cubytes, May 12, 2010.

  1. jecebn

    jecebn Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2008
    1,612
    0
    36
    Kansas City, MO
    Apparently you weren't paying attention during the Bush era?
     
  2. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0
    Bush's problem was more that he didn't do anything (at all) Clinton's problem was that he did too much. Too much was worst.

    I don't like the Bush's or the Clinton's, I liked Ronald Reagan.
     
  3. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0

    Dave, don't make it a secret that you're a liberal or anything, but the poll I posted is from Rasmussen.com You may wanna call it misleading because you don't like it, but it is a real poll.
     
  4. Obama couldn't do anything. He's had republicans trying to block everything even remotely liberal-sounding that he tries to do.

    But therein lies my problem with politics in general: There's too damn much of it. Every freakin' goddamn issue has to be polarized, spun, hyperbolized, utterly misunderstood, and turned into something completely other than what it was by politically fanatical whackjobs who flat-out refuse to be reasonable and consider what's good for the country as a whole.

    Every concept, every proposal, every idea has to be turned into something that's either liberal or conservative in nature, and by extension against either party's ideals and therefore must be shot down no matter how sensible or good it is just because it came from the other side. Obama's ideas on health care reform? I thought they were excellent. But the republicans couldn't have any of that, could they? No, of course not. It smacked of leftist liberal socialist facism -- and those words don't even belong together, yet they've been used as such. Obama? He's no better than Stalin! Or Hitler! HITLER!!!1@$@!$@

    So the US got a bastardized, neutered, watered-down, incontinent health care plan with no teeth as a result of republican cock-blocking. Never mind that it was a good idea in its original form. It was a liberal idea. That's enough to set the republicans' mouths to foaming.

    Frankly it's made me sick of politics. Nothing truly good manages to get done because the parties are too damn busy getting in their own way trying to get their own way, often just because that's the way they want it, not necessarily because it has anything to do with the good of the country.

    I liked Obama -- certainly better than McCain. Were I an American I would have voted for him too. But seeing how the formerly sensible and usually level-headed republicans have turned into a bunch of whiny brats that can't stand that they lost the last election and so must curb stomp any liberal ideas until they bend slightly to the right just turns my stomach.
     
  5. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0
    Obama has an all democratic congress, he certainly can do whatever he wants if he wants to force it through like he did with health care. But Obama is very cautious, he knows deep down that America as a majority is more center right than left. If he tries to force new laws down Americans throats then the same thing that happened to congress in 1994 will happen again. In other words, Americans don't want new laws every week, they don't want "big brother governement" telling them what to do all the time, the people would rather deal with things themsleves. Almost every time the government has stepped in its been a mistake.

    Canada (where you are from) is a very liberal country. But you do make sense with a lot of what you're saying.

    Its not that Republicans are trying to stop everything they want to do, but everything the liberals propose is a path to socialism, more government control, stripping the rights of the people, disregarding the right to self responsibility. Most of the laws that liberals propose are more experimental in concept or based on emotion instead of being based on fairness or logic, a dangerous mistake.
     
  6. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2010
    746
    0
    0
    US
    I'm liberal yet I didn't support the health reform. My cousin is a doctor and if you saw what the hospitals did to milk people for money you would be shocked.

    Also this wasn't a rant about Obama, more about the hospitals.
     
  7. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0
    For the record I am very liberal when it comes to the economy, but conservative/libertarian when it comes to all the other issues.
     
  8. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2010
    746
    0
    0
    US
    Yeah, its not all black and white. For example I fully support the 2nd amendment, it's more the republican party i'm leaning against. I hope Palin doesn't actually try to run for president 2012.
     
  9. Random_Guy

    Random_Guy Well-Known Member

    Apr 6, 2009
    8,418
    0
    0
    Australia, mate!
    Oh, bummer!
     
  10. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0
    yeah but there's really only 2 parties in the running, they're both screwed up, and I gotta go with the lesser of the 2 evils. Conservativism is better than liberalism when you weigh out the issues and who's plans make more sense.

    Palin is a cool person, she stands for good stuff, she just isn't presidential material. Niether is Barack Obama.
     
  11. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    I would move out of the the country If palin became president.
     
  12. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    So I suppose that You think John McCain is "pesidential material" Also I strongly disagree that conservativism (I guess that's what you would call it) is the lesser of the 2 evils. If you look at their plans you see a trend, smaller government, lower taxes, neither of which are good things.
     
  13. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0
    sorry I offended you with typos

    More freedom, less government is better, more rights to decide things on your own.

    McCain, eh personally I think the guy has a lameass personality, and thats why he lost the election. He makes Barack Obama look like the coolest dude in the world when it comes down to talking. But overall I think McCain is smarter and would have made a slightly better president. Not by a lot but enough. It was a bad election (2008) No good candidates on either side.
     
  14. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    Now see, I'm not one that dislikes government, they are there to provide services for the American people. Also taxes are not bad, they are used to fund public projects that make our lives easier like road construction etc. I can see that you are not a very conservative person and i totally respect your views. I must say I'm not a just a liberal, there are a handful of issues I lean more conservatively on.
     
  15. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

    Feb 19, 2010
    746
    0
    0
    US
    I think Obama won because he promised a lot, but being president is really hard work (I wouldn't want to be one, and i'm guessing you wouldn't either.)

    However I don't think conservatism is lesser of two "evils". I wouldn't classify political parties as evil, as they are just matters of opinion.

    One of the main reasons I am more towards the Democrats is because I am more liberal (duh) AND because the Republican party puts too much of an emphasis on religion, namely Christianity.
    I agree on many of their points, but they let religion hold them back from many agendas. Like how they want to stop abortion, and of course gay marriage, which is something that hurts no one, but is being held back because of religion.
     
  16. DaveMc99

    DaveMc99 Well-Known Member

    Mar 1, 2009
    4,761
    0
    0
    Seattle, WA USA
    #36 DaveMc99, May 12, 2010
    Last edited: May 12, 2010
  17. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2009
    6,272
    0
    0
    Well when it comes to the economy, if they want to tax someone more who is making $20 million a year, obviously I think thats fine and good, its not like the person isn't still gonna be rich afterward. But liberals will raise taxes on middle class too, don't be fooled.

    Creating those temporary jobs like road construction isn't a solution its just a temporary type of relief for a few more people to work temporarily. They need to create more real longterm jobs for it to mean anything.

    Either way I would side with liberals when it comes to the economy over republicans, but when it comes to all other issues I'm conservative. Its much better to go about your life and live freely and make your own decisions than to have the government passing a new law every month telling you how to live.
     
  18. The Bat Outta Hell

    The Bat Outta Hell Moderator
    Staff Member Patreon Silver Patreon Gold Patreon Bronze

    Mar 10, 2009
    9,125
    190
    38
    Hat Salesman
    Washington
    I for one would love yourofl's input on this debate.
     
  19. fangfangli

    fangfangli Active Member

    I think everything is ok.
     
  20. scottyd2k9

    scottyd2k9 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    452
    0
    0
    Unemployed
    st helens (UK)
    #40 scottyd2k9, May 12, 2010
    Last edited: May 12, 2010
    This is not american politics, this is for people in the Uk...

    AHAHAHAH what a complete retard when David cameron was going into his new home in downing street, did anyone hear his little speech, he screwed up bigtime....

    He even said it himself that hes just trying to see how much money he can make out of it...

    At the end of his speech he basically said what can he get out of us lool..
     

Share This Page