Liberals VS Conservatives?

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  1. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    well if you think about the types of jobs he talked about creating, you will get a clearer understanding that they are more temporary relief jobs than anything longterm or like careers.

    Here are the latest approval numbers for Obama

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13 (see trends).

    Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove. The Rasmussen Reports Media Meter shows that media coverage of the President has been 55% positive over the past week.
     
  2. kcur

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    Yes, but this is from a more conservative website, I've known about this site for some time. I don't think there is truly an unbiased poll, so I guess we'll just have to wait for the next election to see what the US population really thinks.
     
  3. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    This site did predict the results of the 2008 presidential election(Obama) and several others by within a half a percentage point.
     
  4. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    #244 Vester, May 18, 2010
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    Oh I know the jobs were meant to be temporary, but we don't actually know when the workers will be out of the job
     
  5. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

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    I think it would have been pretty easy to guess THAT election :p

    But can you tell me what Obama's "secret agenda" is?
    If you think he's doing a bad job as a president, i'll totally respect your opinion, but I'm not really a fan of "conspiracy theories", and that includes theories publicized by media outlets as well.

    Is the secret agenda purely speculation or is there actual facts backing up the claim, like the president speaking about it.

    And i'm not talking about the "hey a dip in the GDP, Obama want to enslave us all!" kind of facts.
     
  6. Lombardo

    Lombardo Well-Known Member

    #246 Lombardo, May 18, 2010
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    Just for the record, Obama's stimulus saved about 4 million jobs. Oh and then there's this:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/22/crist-stimulus-has-create_n_471650.html
    Edit: Meh, you're taking too long to respond, Freedog, I'm goin to bed.
     
  7. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    Its more of the liberal mindset which is the government should have more and more control, which means the people will as a result get less and less freedoms. Barack Obama is unsure where he wants to go with his agenda, and how much he truly knows about many of the issues. He is very cautious, knowing the mistakes that Bill Clinton made with ramming legislation down Americans throats, not even willing to negotiate with the other side most of the time. Before Bill Clinton, the term fascism was rarely ever used (if at all) to describe the liberal party/democrats. But because of the way the Clinton administration went about things on many of the issues, and the many liberals who went along with him, it damaged their party and pissed off a lot of Americans. Obama is or was seen as someone who liked/praised the Clinton policies in the beginning, which were in many ways, extremely partisan and government fascism. He has never clearly explained what he meant by "change", even on the campain trail he would never answer the questions with any substance. He has a senate voting record of being anti-gun, and some of the things he hints at are anti-1st amendment, wanting to silence talk radio, create a "police" for the internet chatrooms...areas where conservatives usually crush democrats in getting an effective message out. If you think about it, most people would rather hear about and choose freedom than their government telling them what to do, because we all know how screwed up and untrustworthy the government can be.

    So in a way the "secret agenda" is more about hints and speculation, but enough to make people concerned that he will be a continuation of Clinton style lies and fascism or worst.
     
  8. freedog

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    Charlie Crist has switched to be an independent because he was getting crushed in the polls by another republican candidate that his state likes better. In other words he doesn't want to lose and if he stays republican he will lose to the other republican challenger. Thats all. Democrat Lieberman did the same kind of thing in CT.
     
  9. freedog

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    Ronald Reagan - "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

    Ronald Reagan - "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

    Ronald Reagan - "I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at gunpoint if necessary."


    Bill Clinton - "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.." -March 11, 1993
     
  10. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

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    Please, please. Look up the definition of "liberal". Liberalism is the exact opposite of what you are describing.

    As for Fascism... it's a conservative policy... nothing that the media says can change the definition of the word. Fascism and liberal are OPPOSITES. You can't use on to describe the other.

    Also, all politicians lie, you can't change that. I would hope Obama lied less than the rest.
     
  11. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    And these quotes are for...?
     
  12. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    I already gave a reply for this a few pages back. This was it.

    That is how it started out, but it is not true in today's age. The roles have reversed in a way. The liberal has become the "progressive" movement over the years, a term they try to use to imply that all the new laws they pass taking away people's freedoms are progress to make their agenda sound better. Conservatives mean exactly how it sounds now, relaxed, less likely to pass any new domestic laws without strong facts or logic.

    So the definition is not fitting for what they have become in recent years.
     
  13. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    Please, this has been asked but what freedoms are liberals trying to take away?
     
  14. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    you must not be reading my posts, because I already answered this in them. Just go on the internet, youtube... whatever and type in your question. You will see plenty of replies, sites, videos, and I mean plenty.
     
  15. Vester

    Vester Well-Known Member

    #255 Vester, May 18, 2010
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    Ah, I get it, you don't really know so your suggesting I look it up. Really librals are not taking anyones rights. Deal with it
    also I am well aware you answered this, I'm not going to search this thread for your answer.
     
  16. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    oh I know, you don't want to see what's being written by millions of people about your beloved party. You will stay a liberal I know that. But I'm just one non liberal out of millions on the internet. See you in November.
     
  17. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

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    And I already told you, now please listen, YOU. CANNOT. CHANGE. THE. DEFINITION. OF. A. WORD.
    Liberal:
    favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

    And i've already told you as well, liberal MEANS progressive, changing, etc.

    Have you been reading my posts? Conservative:
    disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

    I've even added links!

    Also, I think i've covered this, Conservative don't base much on fact, look at Fox news! It plays on peoples' fears and emotions. That is not logic or facts.
     
  18. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    They can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't mean thats what they actually are. Don't politicians lie? I just pick the ones with lies that least threaten my freedoms.
     
  19. kcur

    kcur Well-Known Member

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    You should use the Democrat and Republican then, those have already changed before ( Democrats used to be conservative, Republicans used to be liberal) but that changed. It doesn't mean the words have.
     
  20. freedog

    freedog Well-Known Member

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    well liberal has become more of a political term nowadays then a word in the dictionary. It has taken on a meaning of its own when used to describe the political party.
     

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