It could be both reasons. Either you didn't save it successfully even though you touched "save" or there were bugs.
So who started the rumor that you have to get the big pool it before 15 years to keep it in the next playthrough? I've looked all over and it doesn't say it anwhere.
Now I am in a deficit in Year 2! Too bad that the negative figure is greaten. What a shame! Thus to start a new game again is the best way out!
As I mentioned to a few people, I'm writing a guide which I'll post here and on GameFAQs when I'm done. Originally I just wanted to make a list of investments, but I've added a few more stuff. If you have any layout/strategies to suggest, post them here, if you want to include it in the guide let me know as well, I'll include you in the credits. So far I'm just waiting to finish off a few investments and the first version will be up. Yeah, I just had 20 of both in my second game, and the Pond investment popped up the following month. I've had 19 Stones planted, so it doesn't seem like you need all of them to be in your inventory. Might be kinda late for this but sometimes when I want to press continue on the main menu, I press on the New Game instead, although there's a pop-up which asks you to confirm Yes/No, if you (like me) just spam presses you might end up deleting your save that way. :X
It's not always obvious how you're meant to progress, we played for a good few hours before we even understood how the advertising worked. It's an important element of the game, so we're happy at having wasted precious years not implementing it properly.
Yr 71 Mn 3, I've unlocked everything. Except for some Baths Effect. I'm sorry I didn't keep any track of how the Tech Tree went for the game. That is what leads to unlocking what. I'll just share as much as I can remember. List of Targets Tea Expert - 4 - Facilities Journalist - 3 - Advertising Comedian - 4 - Advertising TV Host - 3 - Advertising Trader - 4 - Money Secretary - 3 - Stayers Booth Babe - 3 - Votes Announcer - 3 - Stayers Nobleman - 4 - Items Nurse - 4 - Money Rich Missus - 5 - Stayers Student - 1 - Advertising Fortuneteller - 3 - Items Biz-woman - 2 - Stayers Governor - 4 -Money COO - 4 - Items Model - 4 - Advertising Actress - 4 - Advertising Celebrity - 4 - Items M. Artist - 3 - Stayers Chairprsn - 5 - Votes Opera Sngr - 4 - Votes Pop Singer - 5 - Advertising First Lady - 5 - Advertising Noblewmn - 5 - Facilities G. Manager - 3 - Advertising Landlord - 3 - Stayers Painter - 3 - Facilities Legislator - 5 - Votes CEO - 5 - Items Pianist - 3 - Items Pastry Chef - 3 - Items Rich Couple - 5 - Stayers Fisherman - 2 - Items Illustrator - 2 - Facilities Rich Heir - 5 - Facilities Prgrmmr - 2 - Stayers Lawyer - 4 - Money Housewife - 2 - Votes Cartoonist - 3 - Money Old Couple - 2 - Items Yng Family - 2 - Votes Hiker - 1 - Money Novelist - 3 - Votes Researcher - 3 - Facilities Antique Dlr - 1 - Votes Yng Couple - 2 - Stayers Manager - 2 - Money Biz-man - 2 - Items List of Items Natural Stone Azalea Lantern Bamboo Maple Tree Plum Tree Pond Popularity Seed Price Seed Glamour Seed Fame Seed Relaxation Seed Green Tea Honey Mushrooms Iced Tea Seaweed Flower Poster Milk List of Compatibility Room and Pachinko Mchn - All DOWN Room and Massage Chair - Adult UP + Seniors UP Room and Cafe - Men UP Room and Fortuneteller - Women UP Room and Vending Mchn - All UP Tatami Room and Tatami Room - All UP Tatami Room and Tea Room - Adults UP + Seniors UP Western Room and Westerm Room - All UP Western Room and Restaurant - All UP Souvenir Stnd and Western Room - Youth UP + Others DOWN Souvenir Stand and Vending Mchn - Youth UP + Adults UP + Groups UP Pachinko Mchn and Arcade - Men UP Pachinko Mchn and Tea Room - All DOWN Pachinko Mchn and Pachinko Mchn - Adults (M) UP Massage Chair and Salon - Women UP Cafe and Reading Room - Adults (M) UP + Seniors (M) UP Cafe and Arcade - Adults (M) DOWN + Seniors (M) DOWN Salon and Fortuneteller - Women UP Salon and Pachinko Mchn - Women UP Vending Mchn and Ping Pong Tbl - All UP Vending Mchn and Arcade - Youth UP Tea Room and Restaurant - All UP Reading Room and Pachinko Mchn - All DOWN Ping Pong Tbl and Arcade - Groups UP Room and VIP Room - All UP Tea Room and VIP Room - All UP Vending Mchn and VIP Room - All UP Massage Chair and VIP Room - All UP Restaurant and VIP Room - All UP Souvenir Stnd and VIP Room - All UP Arcade and VIP Room - All UP Reading Room and VIP Room - All UP Pachinko Mchn and VIP Room - All UP Salon and VIP Room - All UP Karaoke Room and VIP Room - All UP Cafe and VIP Room - All UP Fortuneteller and VIP Room - All UP Ping Pong Tbl and VIP Room - All UP To get VIP Room, you must get all the 49 targets to at least 90/95 Popularity. Then you will unlock an investment called 'Kairobot'. Pass him to unlock the VIP Room. Anything within 5x5 squares of VIP Room get 'All UP' except for Baths. To get Large Bath (M), Large Bath (W). You have to hit Number 1 on all 8 Guides, and unlock an investment called 'Chimpan Z'. Pass him to unlock both Large Baths. Large Baths takes up 2x3 spaces and cannot be rotated. Bath Effects Jacuzzi (Seniors) - 1 Vending Machine + 2 Natural Stones Spa (Adults) - 2 Pachinko Machines + 1 Massage Chair + 1 Lantern Silky Smooth (Women) - 2 Salons + 1 Azalea + 2 Natural Stones Fast Friends (Groups) - 2 Karaoke Rooms + 1 Ping Pong Table + 1 Azalea I'll share my layout for Female Bath getting the below stats. AVSNNSA XXXBBXX AVSNNSA A - Azalea V - Vending Mchn S - Salon N - Natural Stone X - Road B - Bath (W) This is after the use of Glamour Seed. And I strongly urge you to get the Number One in the 'Glamour Springs' guide as your first aim. It help boost a lot earlier as your Bath (W) would be very effective in increasing popularity. To get 'Silky Smooth', simply use the item 'Milk' on your Bath (W). I have not found an optimum layout for Bath (M) yet. And hope that someone out there that have found it would share it with us. Guidebooks Local Srings - Housewife + Hiker + Student (Popularity of Facilities) Prefectural Springs - Nurse + Student + Biz-woman (Popularity of Facilities) Touring Japan - TV Host + Pop Singer + Biz-man (Popularity of Facilities) Le Nichelin Guide - Rich Couple + Rich Heir + First Lady (Popularity of Facilities) Glamour Springs - Biz-woman + Booth Babe + Pop Singer (Popularity of Facilities) Top 100 Springs - Prgrmmr + Biz-woman + Painter (Bath Effects) Gourmet Springs - Nobleman + Biz-woman + Novelist (Popularity of Restarants) Relaxing Springs - Prgrmmr + Pop Singer + Novelist (Scenery of Facilities) The 3 listed beside each guide is the target that you should advertise to when you enter the guide. The brackets indicates what you should concentrate on to do better in the voting. Take note here that topping Relaxing Springs will get you 'Relaxation Seed'. Topping Glamour Springs will get you 'Glamour Seed'. I can't remember which one gives you 'Fame Seed', so if someone knows I would update it here. Thanks! Edit : 'Fame Seed' comes from topping 'Top 100 Springs', thanks to sokolov22. To get 'Pond', you must have 20 of Lanterns/Natural Stones. They can be mixed example having 10 Lanterns and 10 Natural Stones. Do not worry why it isn't unlocked straightaway after you have them. You have to wait till the following month after you acquiring the Lanterns/Stones. (As I saw in someone's post, those that are built are also counted towards the 20. As I did not test it myself, I would not claim it as my discovery.) That's all I have to share for now. I'll be porting all this over to an excel sheet during my free time for easier viewing. I hope those that have found other stuff will share too!
Some people have posted earlier in the thread that you only need 20 of both in any combination, but for myself I've had 10/10 for a few years without unlocking it, when I bought 20/20 it unlocked the following month. So maybe it differs somehow. Anyway, I actually started writing a guide yesterday, just finished noting down all the investments, only need to put it in proper formatting. I'm planning on putting it on GameFAQs too, do you mind if I include your layout in the guide? With proper credits of course.
Thanks for the long post, will edit the info into the main topic in a couple of hours. Do share more layouts
I'm fine with it, take whatever you need from the post. As long as credits is given. It's always nice when people share stuff around. Keep the posts coming!
Alright, thanks! I've actually finished up the formatting for investments, but it's in FAQ-format so I'll have to re-format it for the forum. Should be ready later on! Edit// Don't have the full investment list in forum format yet, but here's the tech tree: Antique Dlr -> Fortuneteller -> Tea Expert -> Opera Sngr -> Rich Missus -> First Lady Biz-Man -> Prgrmmr -> Researcher -> TV Host -> Pianist -> Trader -> Nobleman Biz-Man -> Yng Couple -> Yng Family Biz-Man -> Manager -> M. Artist -> Old Couple Biz-Man -> Manager -> M. Artist -> Novelist -> G. Manager -> Secretary OR Painter Painter -> COO -> Governor -> Legislator Painter -> COO -> CEO -> Rich Heir Biz-Woman (50 pop) -> Illustrator -> Cartoonist -> Booth Babe -> Model -> Lawyer -> Celebrity -> Pop Singer Housewife -> Pastry Chef -> Journalist -> Announcer -> Nurse -> Actress -> Chairprsn -> Noblewmn Student Year 1 Month 11-> Hiker -> Fisherman Land Deed II -> Landlord -> Comedian Nobleman + Noblewmn (0 pop) -> Rich Couple The list directly follows the previous one where you have to get Popularity to 30 to unlock the next tier, unless otherwise stated (Rich Couple and Illustrator). Some I'm not sure of, like the Young Couple, which is unlocked by the Botanical Garden investment, but I'm not sure if it's unlocked over game progress naturally, or by Biz-man.
Is it possible to unlock them all in one 15 year game? Is there enough time to get the popularities up?
After some planning, I've managed to "convert" the layout for having all bath effects to work with large baths. You can also choose to replace the plum trees on the left and right of the souvenir stands with roads. This will make the souvenir stands accessible but lowers the scenery somewhat. I chose to ignore their inaccessibility.
My current layout: I don't have all the rooms yet... nor full size plot. (I spent about 8 hours working on this "offline," lol. I realized after awhile that I was not going to be satisfied trying to work it out in-game!) Women's Baths Jacuzzi - 3 Hearts Spa - 1 Silky Smooth - 3 (1 from using Milk, 2 from facilities) In-Crowd - 1 Youth - 5 Adult - 5 Senior - 4.5 Men's Baths Jacuzzi - 3 Springerade - 3 Youth - 4 Adult - 4 Senior 5 (I wanted to get In-Crowd into the Men's Baths too, but couldn't figure out how to get 2 Azalea's into range of the Men's Bath.) Every room is serviced by one Massage Chair and one Vendor, with the Western Rooms further boosted by the Restuarants All the Salons are strategically placed to take advantage of the other rooms that relate to it, other rooms receive the same treatment where possible. Empty spots are for scenery that don't matter. Key: TR - Tatami Room WR - Western Room V - Vending Machines MC - Massage Chair C - Cafe FT - Fortune Teller SS - Shop R - Restuarant RR - Reading Room S - Salon L - Lantern B - Bamboo N - Natural Stone (Changing from my old setup that got Rank 2 in Top 100 Springs with 4200ish votes... netted me over double the votes to 8600ish.)
Can you get more than 1 Glamour Seed? I didn't use mine on the bath =( I managed a setup that gives 5/5/4.5 anyway, but it takes up a lot more room than if I had used the glamour seed on it! Also, Fame is from Top 100, just got it with my new setup
I don't think you can get another unfortunately. At least even when I played till Yr 70+, they didn't give me another to buy in the shop. Seems to be a unique one. What did you use it on?
Submitted my guide already, I'll edit the content and post it here in awhile. I would say Pachinko Machine, based on the layout. Yep, for the 4 seeds you get from Guides you'll only get it once. Btw, how did you get all 5 hearts for the female bath in your earlier layout? I've tried replicating it, and I had 5/5 and 4.5 for Seniors. To break it down: Youth: 2 base + 3 Silky Smooth Adults: 2 base + 3 Silky Smooth + 1 Spa Seniors: 2 base + 1.5 Silky Smooth + 1 Jacuzzi = 4.5 Am I missing something? :S
