My son wants a "nice" case for his 4s. He really does not need it for protection from drops, and he isn't planning on taking it in the shower - but the lifeproof case looks really nice. I showed him the Grove Bamboo which he thought looked really nice (I have always thought the Grove Bamboo would look really unique). He is 18. Anyone have experience with either or both of these cases, and if so - plusses or minuses? He really likes a case mostly because he used to having one on, and likes the little extra thickness for handheld gaming. We have tried a variety of other cases -like Otter Box (rubber started stretching after just a couple months), and a few others that had problems with being able to have the dock connector fit easily... For the Grove - do you have to remove the bottom piece to be able to dock? That would be a pain. Thanks for the help, and suggestions.