Flash vs HTML5

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  1. loves2spoon

    loves2spoon Well-Known Member

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    They need to change the name of HTML5 something more consumer friendly. Old people don't understand what flash is but they know it plays there games ie: club pogo, etc...

    ya know what i mean?
     
  2. The Game Reaper

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    Seriously, what's not consumer-friendly about Hyper Text Markup Language? :p
     
  3. KGameLover1

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    I would love for Flash to be done, but then that would defeat the purchase of me buying Flash CS4 Professional. :p
     
  4. WunDaii

    WunDaii Well-Known Member

    I just found out YouTube/Google are looking to switch over. Can't wait :D
     
  5. The Game Reaper

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    I thought Youtube was entirely encoded in HTML 5 already? :confused:
     
  6. kmacleod

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    You can switch Youtube over to using HTML5 right now if you want ;)
    Sign up here:

    http://www.youtube.com/html5


    If you're on a Mac and using Safari, you can also use Clicktoflash, which bypasses the youtube player entirely and just loads the raw video. You can get that here:

    http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/


    I'm not quite sure which of these methods yields the best video quality / browsing experience, but they both beat the hell out of flash.
     
  7. The Game Reaper

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  8. tsharpfilm

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  9. Deewin

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    http://www.youtube.com/html5

    This is just the beta but it's so much less resource heavy than flash. Flash is so bloated and it even crashes modern PCs.
     
  10. tsharpfilm

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    #30 tsharpfilm, Feb 11, 2010
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  11. MidianGTX

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    Girls won't have any problems. Every teen girl on the planet knows basic HTML by now, just type something like "lindsay lohan fansite" into Google for an example.
     
  12. soup

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    cant stand flash - propriety buggy rubbish the sooner it dies out the better

    oh monopolistic too
     
  13. MidianGTX

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    Macromedia doesn't even exist anymore. HTML5 is designed to just work, whereas Flash requires plugins and version updates... more work than necessary to be honest, we shouldn't need to download extra stuff just to view web content.
     
  14. johnwayne

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    flash is still the daddy and will be for a long time...the only "real" tool to create rich-media applications and websites, with tons of features.

    Which kills resources is not really flash itself, it's the bitmaps included, the sounds and those alpha/transparent fade/in-out stuff. Needs lots of memory and cpu with these stuff and this kills most devices with 128mb/256mb ram. So i can understand why they don't release for the 3g and older devices, but for the 3gs it should be possible. So, Jobs, go for it :D
     
  15. thewiirocks

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    No, no. It's Flash itself.

    The darn thing is so buggy that it occasionally runs away in a hard loop. 100% usage of an entire CPU core. Just to do nothing at all.

    That's actually the reason why I switched from FireFox. I was doing quite a bit of Flash at the time and got tired of trying to figure out which tab I needed to close to kill the runaway Flash instance. Chrome let me just plain kill Flash and restart it. Ergo, Chrome won as my default browser. ;)

    While your point about tools is a good one (there are no drag and drop tools for HTML5... yet), the platform is still highly competitive with Flash. With the amount of developer frustration with Flash combined with the need to support small devices, I think you'll find HTML5 will be the platform of the future. (Insert echo here. :p)
     
  16. MidianGTX

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    I still don't understand what Flash has against thewiirocks. Never in all the years of its existence has Flash caused my CPU to run at 100%, and neither my PC or laptop could be considered beasts. I've used Flash to do my own artwork, animations and web designs as well as frequently using Flash music players, video players and playing Flash games... and this bugginess you speak of seems like the strangest phenomena...
     
  17. thewiirocks

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    Then you're either a) always on a system other than Windows (where I've observed the issue without fail), b) not paying enough attention, or c) still on Flash 8.

    I've successfully run a major Flash gaming site. I've observed this issue on a number of desktop and laptop systems, both my own and other people's. I think I know what I'm talking about.

    Don't believe me?

    http://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/when_using_adobe_flash_player_10_why_is_there_high_cpu_memory_usage_100_utilization
    http://forums.adobe.com/message/208297
    http://forum.soft32.com/windows/100-CPU-Usage-Caused-Adobe-Flash-Plugin-ftopict384822.html
    http://saltypig.com/blog/2006/07/lingering-100-cpu-flash-joke-of.htm
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=923038
    http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/how-to-solve-100-cpu-hogging-by-firefox-in-2-steps/

    There's tons more links where those came from.
     
  18. MidianGTX

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    I'm on XP and always kept Flash up to date. I've always paid attention to how my computers perform too, as soon as I install anything I check out what it's doing to my PC when it runs... pretty much all the software I use was designed with low CPU usage in mind.

    I believe it's happened to you, I'll even believe it's not a rare problem, but I'd honestly never heard of it until now. Still looking forward to HTML5 nonetheless.
     
  19. thewiirocks

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    In that case, I'm envious. Nothing has made me hate Flash more than that one bug. :p
     
  20. johnwayne

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    #40 johnwayne, Feb 12, 2010
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    well, even windows itself has bugs, maybe the whole windows is a bug, but we live with windows and we live with flash, at least me...however, i never knew of this mentioned bug, maybe it's a conflict with a special virus/firewall proggy, happens often such conflicts, not just with or because of flash ;)

    ...sometimes other tools tend to "break" other working tools, so Jobs statement that Flash is full of bugs, is more likely caused by his "Mac OS" instead of Flash...think about it Jobs
     

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