Do the new batch of iOS games put it on par with PSP?

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  1. coolestk!d

    coolestk!d Well-Known Member

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    Better graphics on the iOS sure, I mean PSP is about to be 6 years old... Gameplay wise it could be better, even the "prenium" games can even be simple. Infinity Blade has great graphics but the gameplay is kind of repetive for me, the whole avenge your father's death thing is kind of boring too. The top games on iOS (Real Racing, Hook series, Chaos Rings, Jet Car Stunts) are not better than the top on PSP (Crisis Core, Monster Hunter, Peace Walker, Valkyria Chronicles 2) in my opinion, actually Real Racing I would put as equal. I also don't like waiting for updates to add basic features.

    DS however is my favorite handheld, it just has the best games. A better comparison will be 3DS vs PSP2 vs IOS where Nintendo and Sony aren't outdated.
     
  2. tocameelarcade

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    Well in terms of graphics
    PSP> iOs> DS
    taking into account the majoritty of games on these devices
    only Infinity Blade, Rage, Nova2 and MC2 and Real Racing 2 can compare with the psp, with the first 2 (IB and Rage) having to sacrifice a lot to have those graphics.
    The psp have great graphics and with the next gen of handelds the iOs its gonna struggle.
    The 3DS and the PSP2 are just around the corner, with the 3ds beating the psp just for very little and the psp2 with graphics comparable with the xbox360 (according to some sources).
    iOs will have the very difficult challenge of atracting big companies to put REAL money in their games to be comparable with these devices, will just have to wait and see
     
  3. kileriukaslektuviukas

    kileriukaslektuviukas Well-Known Member

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    Then apple will release there new tech too! As always I started to see that they aren't showing all there newest technology on current gen they upgrade litle bit and then upgrades more so maybe apple has some BEASTY techs and next gen iOS devices will have the power to beat psp2 and 3ds
     
  4. tocameelarcade

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    Im sure apple will :p! :D, but... what about us?
    this is my second ipod :/ i buy one LAST year a 8gb 2nd gen ipod, i was so happy and then they release the 4gen iPod :/, i just bought that YESTERDAY u_u, im not that rich :/, but im sure they are going to release the iPhone/iPod 5 with 3d and some other stuff :/:/:/:/
     
  5. JCat

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    Which probably explains why I haven't recharged my PSP in close to two years.

    Also, we know MGS and the God of War series were major PSP hits, but those came much later in. I can only imagine what's going to happen much later on in this camp.
     
  6. tocameelarcade

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    Also apple dont need to release new hardware, the one thats now is AWESOME they just need more budget in the games released in the platform, kids think developers should work for ever for free and moan about having to pay 99c.

    I think its about time Apple did something about this maybe a premium quality section in a prominent place on the App store so devs aren't competing to get on the top 25 section and make the top grossing section take precedence over top paid ie when you press top 25 at the bottom the default is top grossing rather than top paid.

    I like my 99c bargain buys but I think premium quality developers deserve more attention.
     
  7. itman

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    I couldnt name a pap fps worse than Nova 2
     
  8. LBG

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    #68 LBG, Dec 19, 2010
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    All PSP FPS games I've played (Coded Arms, Medal of Honour 1 & 2, Brothers in Arms, COD: Roads to Victory, Rainbow Six Vegas) have been worse than NOVA 2, IMO. Not only in graphics, but also gameplay, controls, multiplayer and price. There are some excpetions (Medal of Honour was pretty good in terms of gameplay), but for the most part they all suck compared to NOVA 2 and Modern Combat 2.
     
  9. Zinle

    Zinle Well-Known Member

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    PSP2 will kill the iphone.
     
  10. donner

    donner Well-Known Member

    Not true - the PSP2 isnt a phone.... One of the main features of the iphone is the phone
     
  11. Zinle

    Zinle Well-Known Member

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    In the game stages it will....And yeh, the PSP2 is 50% chance of becoming a phone if the sony psp android phone sales good
     
  12. Pacificsun0481

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    #72 Pacificsun0481, Dec 19, 2010
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    Let's let the visuals decide for themselves:

    fighting

    3DS:

    http://jamiegore.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/3ds_ssf4_05ss05_e3_thumb.png?w=382&h=480

    iOS:

    http://a1.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/009/Purple/7e/b5/2e/mzl.atalpiev.320x480-75.jpg

    Racing

    3DS:

    http://nintendo3dsblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/3DS-Racing-Title.jpg

    iOS:

    http://jaxov.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Real-Racing-2_4.jpg


    Sims 3

    3DS:

    http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb//GamesRadar/us/Games/S/Sims%203,%20The/Bulk%20Viewers/3DS/2010-06-15/3DS_Sims3_05ss05_E3--screenshot.jpg

    iOS:

    http://a1.phobos.apple.com/us/r30/Purple/53/48/9c/mzl.golbwzrx.jpg

    RPG

    3DS:

    http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/109/1098394/e3-2010-chocobo-racing-3ds-screens-20100615045434962_640w.jpg

    iOS:

    http://wirelessmedia.ign.com/wireless/image/article/113/1139434/eternal-legacy-20101209051132621-000.jpg


    3DS:

    http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/177411-top-ten-most-wanted-announced-3ds-games/3DSOcarina-620x.jpg

    iOS:

    http://c2395732.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/aralon_sword_and_shadow_review_1292475915.png

    Best looking:

    3DS:

    http://static2.videogamer.com/videogamer/images/3ds/resident_evil_the_mercenaries_3d/screens/resident_evil_the_mercenaries_3d_3.jpg

    iOS:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/50290601@N08/5269578577/

    http://www.qikglance.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/infinity_blade.jpg


    By the time the 3DS arrives, Apple will have time to improve all idevices.

    By next year, a better idevice (than what we will get this year) will arrive while the 3DS remains unchanged. Thus exponentially gaining better tech yearly. Vs 4 -6 yrs every DS cycle.
     
  13. Pacificsun0481

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    Simply untrue.

    The iOS devices (4th gen and iPad) are more powerful than:

    Playstation 2, Gamecube and XBox.

    Neither Wii or the 3DS can run the Unreal 3 engine.

    The latest iOS devices sit very close to the XBox 360. They will close the gap within the next 2-3 years.

    This is from both John Carmack (id Software) and Epic Games:

    John Carmack:

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/post-8.ars

    "So it's probably fair to say that the iOS devices are better than the previous-generation consoles. You could pick poster-child optimization cases where any given platform is going to be better, but in terms of just saying, "what's the best game you can make with this," I could certainly make a better game given the same amount of development resources on an iOS device than on anything in the previous console generation—the original Xbox or the PS2. But, conversely, the current generation of consoles is quite significantly more powerful than what you can do on iOS. Of course, how much that actually turns into better gameplay and design is certainly open for some discussion.

    Whether the iOS devices will reach that same level of performance before the next console generation ships is quite an interesting question. There are some very different designs for power consumption considerations that go into their hardware design, and cranking things up to give that level of power but gets burning hot in your hands and uses up the battery in 30 minutes is absolutely possible with the form factor right now, but it's probably not the right decision from the standpoint of what the device really is and is supposed to be. But even at the same power draw, they're going to be doubling and doubling again the performance level."



    Epic Games:

    No Unreal 3 on Wii

    http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=5950

    "...The Wii I'm sure is going to be a fantastic machine and sell really well but it's kind of below - it's not Intel integrated graphics but it's pretty far bellow the kind of min-bar of Unreal Engine 3. If you built a PC with that spec it wouldn't really be capable of playing an Unreal Engine 3 games decently..."

    No Unreal 3 on 3DS

    http://kotaku.com/5657849/epic-boss-doesnt-think-the-3ds-can-run-the-unreal-engine

    "It's below our [minimum specifications], from what we can tell" Rein said to Joystiq. "We don't have a 3DS, so there's no way for us to verify that, but everything we've been led to believe is that it's below our min-spec. You couldn't do a game that looks like [Epic Citadel] on it, for example."
     
  14. JCat

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    IOS has a head start the PSP2 will never catch up to, despite the superior specs, and that's just the current ios models.
     
  15. coolestk!d

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    Some of those games aren't even in the right genres. Also those games are not finished so those terrible screenshots are not a good comparison. You didn't even show Metal Gear Solid or Resident Evil Revelations. Also Nintendo could release an improved system every year if they wanted, but they have to make sure all DSs (or 3DSs) play the same games like consoles do. If you prefer iOS it doesn;t matter to me, just thought those were bad comparisons.
     
  16. LBG

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    #76 LBG, Dec 20, 2010
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    Well here's MGS.

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    And here's Shadow Guardian.

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    No Resident Evil screenshots have been released yet (only bullshots).
    I'm not saying that the 3DS will suck, but it's pretty obvious that iOS games still blow 3DS games out of the water in terms of graphics. Even if the 3DS games aren't finished, their graphics won't be improving substantially. There's only so much you can do with such a small resolution and limited hardware.
     
  17. GabeGreens

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    Is the library better than the PSP? No, not quite yet.

    But, in terms of potential, iOS is growing very quickly. This month is showing just that. Games on iOS are getting better and better. Quality is becoming on par, but the problem is scope and size. Though its a problem quickly getting solved.
     
  18. tocameelarcade

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    Ok the iphone technically has better graphics than the 3DS but the money in development... just isnt there to make a meaningful gaming experience with great graphics (IB and Rage both have very limited gameplay to reach that levels of polygons and all that, but nore Epic or other company will ever produce a AAA big budget title regularly) imagine spending 4, 5, 6 or more million dollars developing a game to sell it for $6.99 or $9.99 game :/, that would be a stupid thing to do if I could take that game and release it in the 3ds or Psp2 for $40. The tech is not limiting the quality of the iPhone games, the userbase and prices are.
     
  19. Vinvy

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    #79 Vinvy, Dec 20, 2010
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    qft, and really this matters more than processor speed and graphics. Always, IB and Rage show that graphics are meaningless without content and gameplay.

    To me it all comes down to the games. Graphics, IOS wins, apple updates the thing every year. The problem with this is that the only real show-case games, come out very infrequently, and have very little, shallow content. The other problem is that the vast majority of iOS users don't own these top end iphone 4s/3GS's to even play these games, so the REALITY is that iOS to the vast majority of devs is more or less equivalent to the PSP.

    But back to the games, which are really what is important. Is that graphics are wonderful, but its the system that has the better developers that will get the better games. iOS I love, it has a lot of great casual, cheap games, and lots of great experimental games; but 99% of the app store is essentially what the PC has been getting 'in browser', for free for years with flash. It's nice to have it on a handheld, and i don't mind paying for it, and it does suck of a lot of my free time. But it still doesn't compare to dedicated gaming systems, not yet at least.
     
  20. AlienSpace

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    This is just not true. My rough estimate is that the Xbox 360 is about an order of magnitude more powerful than an iPhone 4. Remember that the 360 has 3 cores each running at 3.2GHz, each can do 2 hardware threads (think hyper-threading). And Xenos is a monster with a "theoretical" 500 million polygons per second and fast EDRAM framebuffer which allows anti-aliasing with a low performance overhead. Basically Xenos makes the PS3's RSX look bad, and it's the reason why Xbox 360/PS3 games usually look better on the Xbox in spite of the power of Cell processor.

    As far as when mobile devices will have parity with Xbox 360-level hardware, certainly not in 2 - 3 years. If you were to assume (generously) that Apple would put out a new device every year that's 2x the power of the previous one... even then I'd say it'll be 3 - 4 years. More realistically, however, when you start getting up there in processor speed and number of cores, your main problems will be battery life and heat dissipation, even taking into account better/smaller manufacturing processes.

    Anyway, some things to consider.
     

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