Discussing XCOM: Enemy Within Being a Separate App

Listen if xcom eu is different from xcom ew why did they pulled it from the App Store.
And for your information I have play and finish the game on medium difficulty on my freind account.

One more thing, I do not critic the game, but the marketing. It's a cash grab!
And watch your mouth, no one on this website trash on games, they are making a point

My name may have have mad in it, but I am not reacting as a jerk to games.

Xcom ew - is a great game, however because of the marketing I am not going to buy it.
I don't pay devs because I want to play their game, but because I want to encourage , and tell them that they have my support. ( u know hacked games are avaliable the day of the release) but I refuse to play hacked game, because I want be a dev in the futur.

At last stop the a** kissing, and try to understand my point.##

 

Covered ad nauseam already and your ideas on this subject are simply 100% incorrect and divorced from reality.

Once again, you are misunderstanding something: understanding someone's point is different from agreeing or at least validating that point. We understand you p.o.v. perfectly, but we find it unreasonable.

You are free to have that p.o.v. and unless a board mod takes issue, to even keep posting it, but given how unsubstantiated it is, what are you expecting? Gamers who have a much more realistic and nuanced understanding of what happened here to suddenly change their minds and agree with you?

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Let's break it down:

* EW is now available on mobile at a massive discount over the list price for it on any other platform - objective fact, can't argue with it

* EW is now available on mobile at a substantial discount to the cost of finding it at massive discount from 3rd party suppliers on other platforms - objective fact, can't argue with it

* The release pathway for mobile is comparable to the release pathway on all console platforms a full year ago - objective fact, can't argue with it

* New sales of EU would be a small fraction of EW from informed gamers yet app store requirements as well as customer demands would have forced them to go back to a project they abandoned over 7 months ago to keep EU on sale side by side - informed deduction based on facts

* While they could have kept EU in the store until Apple set a deadline for updating for newer devices and iOS versions, given the way the App Store works with older games and reviews/ratings, it's extremely likely that what new ratings and reviews EU received would (almost) all be negative and falling under 1 of 3 "reasons": didn't give EW away for free to purchasers of EU, didn't make EW available at a further discount than the already massively discounted $12.99 to purchasers of EU, or complaining they bought EU by mistake. Given that and considering the negligible number of new sales EU would have had next to EW (it's been 2 years since Apple released new hardware that runs EU but not EW), it makes little sense to wait on pulling the game when they are trying to avoid forcing themselves into supporting EU further - informed deduction based on facts

* Outside of those fringe cases that are *claiming* they can't download EU from purchased history, essentially all previous buyers will have access to the original game as long as they continue to have compatible hardware. The only way this will change is if something is discovered in EU that egregiously violates Apple's TOS, 2K terminates their publisher relationship with Apple, or 2K loses the right to distribute XCOM:EU - objective fact, can't argue with it

* Anyone who purchased EU in the last 90 days can get a refund in less than 5 minutes by using "reportaproblem.apple.com" and use that $10 to get EW for only $3 more - objective fact, can't argue with it

So, given those points, points that *should* be inarguable points of agreement, what we are left with is a small subset of posters who simply are refusing to agree with what was a very straightforward, noncontroversial, and logical sequence of events regarding EU & EW for mobile either because they are not being reasonable people, and that makes their arguments by definition unreasonable, or they simply disagree that EW justifies the full expansion treatment and pricing it received, in which case they simply shouldn't buy it instead of crapping all over the internet since A) this course of action was already *known* a full year ago and B) is Firaxis' well worn approach to their games going back to Civ III well over a decade ago.

 

@JCho - is the first one that much better than this one?

 

This one is the first one with a bunch more content. I'd like the original experience as well as the improved one

 

Ok I understand, but to me they should make it as a dlc , not a new app. If it's a new game I am gonna be ok with it being a new ap
But based on the app review, it's the old game plus new stories and improvement. They should offer a price cut the owner of eu.
And u play the new version
I am just wondering How different is
The heavy class to the mec class.
And yes u don't have to agree to me, but if an argument is not in your taste ushould not attached a " Trachy" ticket to it.
I never said xcom ew is not improoved, but the fact that devs started to pull out heir old apps from the appstore, and add a an update or improoved version had me worried.
It's not a good way to go.
The same thing with sketchbook pro.
And My argument is. If the core gameplay of xcom ew is xcome up+ new content, it should be a dlc.
Or they should create a bundle that would give the old player a price cut.
On the other hand if it's just a new xcom evrybody should pay full price. No discount.

 

I don't think you do

So you would have been fine with them updating the engine and breaking compatibility with owners of the no longer compatible 4S era hardware? Because that is what would have happened and created its own sh**storm.

Remember, developers cannot specify particular models, only hardware features and/or iOS version, so once they updated the engine as they have for EW, anyone with an ipad 2, iPad mini, iPhone 4S, or touch 5G who updated their app would have been permanently and irrevocably screwed since there are no unique features to the next gen of supported hardware that would let the installer distinguish and offer to download the older version (that still couldn't run EW).

That aside, there is no debate that this is not DLC. On no platform has it ever been regarded as DLC, it has only been a stand alone game (all consoles) or a full priced expansion (PC/Mac). The only people who think it should be DLC are people who don't realize there is such a thing as a world outside of mobile gaming where it has existed on PC/Mac & consoles for a year now and was not DLC, nor ever intended to be DLC there.

As I said, people still complaining and/or niggling fall into a subset of people who can only be considered unreasonable with unreasonable arguments and/or people who don't think it's worth the asking price. Regardless, they absolutely should not for any reason have offered a discount to owners of EU. The stand alone app is already a bit cheaper than you can get just the PC/Mac expansion for at heavy discount from 3rd party sellers (~55%), and about half the cost you can get the stand alone on consoles at steep 3rd party discounts (~37%). Owners of EU on mobile already got a discount regardless of when they purchased it, and owners of EW already got a discount regardless of whether they owned EU. There is no good reason why they should devalue their product any more than they already have by catering to the insular and selfish mindset that has infected the mobile gaming audience.

 

So it's a new game?

 

I agree with the hardware problem, what about the bundle part?

 

Not really, and I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.

It's an expansion, as have existed in gaming going back decades. They take the base game and add considerable new stuff and sell for about 70% what the original base game needed. People play them because they change the base game enough to warrant revisiting the original game (c.f. Diablo II meets Diablo II: Lord of Darkness, Diablo III meets Diablo III: Reaper of Souls, or any of the many, many World of Warcraft expansions we've seen at this point).

Since consoles can't handle the massive storage and file modification and swapping that such a large expansion entails, it was sold as a stand alone on those platforms, and that's the version we got since mobile devices suffer from the same limitations.

DLC is a few new maps, or some character models, maybe even a new team in a multiplayer game, but it is not a full bore reimagining of the original game with all new mechanics. These things are limited to *expansions* that cannot be handled on mobile as DLC (particularly since DLC on iOS does not generally involve downloading anything, it's usually all in the original distribution package and merely unlocked through purchase).

In this case, you get an entirely new enemy faction, storylines involving the new enemy faction, you have wildly different options for developing your soldier team, new alien types, new weapons, new armor options, and you get a new, better version of the game engine.

It lists for a $40 stand alone game on consoles, or lists as a $60 package on PC/Mac because you have to buy EU to play EW on that platform. We get the whole enchilada minus some maps and some actual extra cost DLC options (that may or may not be added later like second wave was to EU) for $13, there certainly should not be any reason to waste this much energy debating whether it's worth it or not for anyone remotely interested in the genre with a capable device.

 

Ok so I am staying away from that game. Thank's for your useful description