Universal Demon Hunters - Upcoming Turn-based Dungeon Crawler from Wave Light Games

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  1. Izrina

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    I quite enjoy the concept of the game, but I think I may be having an issue with the starting area being too large for my screen. At one point I was able to see something about learning how to play the game, but I couldn't select it... And now it's gone. It's been a rather rough start trying to figure out what exactly to do and how to do it. Maybe the learning curve is a bit high for me!

    I do really like the character designs and their individual biographies. Excellent writing :)
     
  2. WaveLightGames

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    Thanks. I do have to work on a proper tutorial and also a way to ease players into the game. Currently the early levels are harder than the later levels. Let me know what you think would be a good way to help players learn the game.
     
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    @Izrina: If you want to know anything, need help on tactics, etc. just holler ;)
     
  4. WaveLightGames

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    I think you're right that the stone priest might be a bit lame in the early game. His spells could probably use some rejigging.

    The way normal attacks on wizards become too weak in the later game is a known issue. The problem that the level up system doesn't increase attack damage very often. Fighters don't really care because there are loads of magic weapons that boost attack damage. However the few wizard staffs only increase action points or AP regeneration.

    As such, I'm going to adjust the level up rewards to increase attack damage more frequently and also add more wizard staffs and bows that increase attack damage.
     
  5. Nullzone

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    @Wavelight: The Stonepriest isn't lame, no worries about that.
    The main reason why I'd switch him out is that with a range/spell-focused group that can also summon some help, I rarely need a tank/melee.
    Instead of jumping right into the fray, like I did with the Assassin & Duelist, I almost never get into melee range now.
    He just got a Move boost from levelup, so with the extended range I think he'll be able to do more direct damage. His teleport is a bit too expensive to use willy-nilly. And the one time I teleported him right into the middle of an enemy group, he got killed by a crit from an Ogre right on turn 1 :p
    Other than that, I am waiting for him to get enough AP so he can summon the Earth Elemental.

    I wouldn't change the regular damage for the Mages. If everyone is the same, it'll get boring. The way it is now, that they play completely different, makes things much more interesting. Not to mention that having different ways to go about things, instead of one "optimised build" is always a huge plus for tactics games like Demons' Rise.
     
  6. WaveLightGames

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    I'm just not that happy with how the stone priest came out. He has no real focus and is a bit like a tougher melee Pyromancer. However I just came up with a very cool idea for him so expect big changes to him in the next update.
     
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    My idea for the Stone Priest is to switch out some of his more generic damage spells for spells that summon stone pillars on the battlefield. These pillars will be stationary and have the ability to cast their own spells that affect nearby units. There will be two types of pillars:

    - Life Stone: Has some buff spells such as heals and shields that buff nearby units.
    - Death Stone: Has 3 levels of damage spells that destroy the stone but also harm all units within a certain radius. So the level 1 would be a small explosion that only hurts adjacent units, level 2 would be a bigger explosion that affects all units within 2 tile radius and level 3 would be a huge explosion that hurts all units within 3 tile radius.

    The interesting thing about this mechanic is that the stones are units and can be destroyed by the enemy. They'll be fairly tough but could be destroyed before they cast their higher level spells. I'm going to have to tweak the code slightly to have these units summoned with less than maximum AP but that should be an easy change.

    This will make the Stone Priest unique and also reinforce his role as a defensive oriented character.
     
  8. Nullzone

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    I had one of those item flips to level -999 again. Nice surprise, when my Witch suddenly scored an 850 damage hit ;)
    Just glad it wasn't an expensive item. If that would happen to one that costs more than a few thousand, I'd be slightly annoyed. Hope you can sort that out before release.

    By the way: What's your plan for the equipment now? I got quite a few more occurences, where item quality upped the price for the same stats by a factor of 3 or 4. If you don't know that already, you can easily spend your gold on just a few high-quality items; where you could get the same for a fraction of the price.
     

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  9. kyoukusanagi

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    so far its a very interesting game, might have the potential to be one of the cant-put-this-ipad-down game for me. the low rez texture and the low poly model kinda irks me a little. but i cant complain.

    personally, thats my only complaint. the graphic and the animation. the gameplay is solid. will let you know more as i progress


    PS: this might be my personal preference. but i do suggest getting a good art for the unit portrait instead of that unit's face screenshot
     
  10. WaveLightGames

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    What type of ipad are you using for testing?

    Regarding artwork for characters, it's not possible as I don't have a 2d artist available to me.
     
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    Regarding low poly models, I'm actually going to add an option in the graphics screen to allow for higher poly models on newer devices. The higher poly models are in the game but just disabled at the moment.
     
  12. kyoukusanagi

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    ipad mini retina (aka 2nd generation)
    ah, thats too bad. what about a stylized 3d portrait instead? extra work i know. but default pictures like that doesnt feel like a "finished" game for me.

    again, personal preference.
     
  13. kyoukusanagi

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    I see, thats good news. keep up the good work. cant wait for the release :D
     
  14. WaveLightGames

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    Ah okay ... makes sense. Part of the problem for me is that I don't actually have a new iPad as a test device. I only have an original iPad Mini and an iPad 2. So I can't really check easily if the textures or graphics look good on a new iPad model. On my iPads, I have the game perform extra compression to allow it to run so I can't really judge the graphics quality. My normal test services are iPhones (5 and 6) and there the compressed textures aren't really noticeable because of the smaller screen.

    If you can let me know specifically which character you feel have too low texture detail, I can adjust those. The high resolution are available, I just try to compress them as much as possible for performance reasons. However, I may have gone too far on some characters.
     
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    It's a tricky one because I can't reproduce it.

    So let me understand how it happened for you. It seems to be a trinket item (if I recall, the last time it was some flowers or something ... also a Trinket). Happens on the 3rd character slot? Perhaps there's something there so I'll check that combination in the code.

    I was under the impression that it happened to items that were generated from the shopkeeper. However, you're saying that one of your items became like this during battle? So that means that it happens when an item is recreated from a save. Was this item working normally for several levels and then became like this on a particular level? If so, which level was it? Perhaps the item database for that level is messed up.

    Alternatively, did you just receive that item as a reward and then next level it became messed up? That would suggest that it will always be corrupted by the load / save process.

    I'm going to have these items increase both courage and intimidation. So higher quality items will make people more confident and look more scary to enemies. That way, there will be some benefit to having a better quality or level item even if the other stats are the same.
     
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    Quick update ... added 3 more patrol levels. The first is a massive one where the players come across a pitched battle between goblins and Ratmen. Think two factions lined up into groups and engaging in melee. It's a large level and very chaotic. The cool thing is that the player can jump in right away if they think they're tough enough or play more cautiously to pick off wounded enemies.

    The second is a smaller one where the player character comes across a goblin band raiding a previously undiscovered dwarf tomb. So lots of gold around and good loot without too much trouble. A quick and fairly easy one but you do have to fight some higher level goblins.

    The last one is another smaller level where players come across the lair of two trolls who are in the midst of eating a mysterious human warrior. Bones and blood splatter all over the level and it looks pretty cool. The human is also a hint on future story events as he is not part of the Dwarf mercenary force but from a nearby human kingdom. Perhaps he was an advance scout of a larger human force. :eek:
     
  17. WaveLightGames

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    On a bit of a roll today. Got another patrol level done. This one is interesting as it involves the player disrupting a demonic summoning ritual performed by a Goblin Shaman. The Demons arrive in the level through the summoning portal but as they were not bound to the Goblins, they attack both the Goblins and the player characters. The particle effects in this level might be a bit too crazy for iOS devices but I'll see once I put it on a real device. If it is ... I'll just tone them down.
     
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    @Wavelight:
    Yes, that was a Trinket item again, Scroll in this case.
    And yes, happened to the 3rd character slot.
    I bought the original item from the Shop, so not a reward from completing a stage.
    I think it worked correctly for at least one stage, but am not 100% sure on this.
    The first time I noticed that something is up was in the stage with the Ogre Boss ("...biggest Ogre you've ever seen." in the stage description) , when my Witch scored an ~850 damage hit with a regular ranged attack against one of the Ogres.
    So unfortunately I don't know where/when exactly the item got corrupted.

    The first occurence is here: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showpost.php?p=3537188&postcount=553
    I tried to figure out when it (approximately) happened, but couldn't find anything definitive on the surrounding pages.
    On the screenshot the Stormseer only has 15HP (level 1 or 2, I guess), so I am quite sure it occured before the Ogre Boss stage.
     
  19. WaveLightGames

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    Since it seems to happen on tickets on the 3rd character slot ... I suspect it's something in the code with loading / saving. The base item is different in each case so probably not an issue with the base item database. Thanks for the info ... I'll look into it.
     
  20. lilgac

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    Very late into this, just browse this thread, looks great with the xcom style play. Good to hear it is optimized for older devices as well!
    Saw on first posting saying submitting to apple in a couple of days, means it's going to be out soon? Can't wait to get my hands on it!
     

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