California Proposition 19

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  1. 99c_gamer

    99c_gamer Well-Known Member

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    legalize. without it games like Rollatron would not be possible.
     
  2. Duke Floss

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    maybe some heavy drinkers/alcoholics live longer, but they all end up looking pickled and smelling like a chemical waste bin and have minds like slush.



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  3. acrotran

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    The idea that the government can make a lot of money by taxing grass is bad. That just creates a new set of problems for law enforcement and more bureaucracy. But most importantly, everybody should be able to grow their own and share it with their friends and sell it to the moochers. Keep it simple and keep the government out of the picture.

    And by the way, I don't think of drug users as criminals, even though they are breaking the law. As far as I'm concerned it's your own business if you want to do drugs. It's a crime to incarcerate somebody for doing drugs. Although I might make an exception for LiLo. jk
     
  4. frendil

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    Smoking weed: No victim (except maybe 2nd hand smoke, but again, not as harmful as alcohol), only minimal (if any) harm to user, which is proven to be less than that of legal products such as alcohol and tobacco, which is relevant as it shows the hypocrisy of the government.

    Rape: has a victim who suffers not only the physical act of being raped and the assault which goes with it, but the mental side effects which often lead to depression and suicide. The victim also quite often becomes impregnated as rapists dont tend to use condoms. This also causes problems and, once again, it is proven that women who have abortions are likely to become depressed or suicidal, or the problem of raising a baby of rape.

    Get the difference?
     
  5. Leothwyn

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    #65 Leothwyn, Oct 30, 2010
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    I can't disagree with you. There will be problems whichever route we take. It's a matter of picking the way that is the lesser of two evils.

    Of course we can pretend that you were talking about cigarettes in the quote above, and it would work just as well. By allowing cigs to be legal we are saying it's OK to smoke, right? And, we will have more tobacco smokers by allowing it to be legal, right?. So, maybe we should start a tobacco prohibition. What would that accomplish?

    • Stop some people from smoking, making a healthier nation overall. Though, I think the majority of the people who want to smoke will continue to do so.
    • Drive a HUGE amount of money into the black market. Smugglers, dealers, gangs... they'll multiply and totally thrive. People will kill each other over tobacco.
    • Use up TONS of resources by having police chase down tobacco smokers, and by filling our prisons with the offenders.

    Does that seem like the better choice to you? Not to me. Does it sound familiar? Take a guess...
    The miserable failure of an attempt at alcohol prohibition? Good guess, but no, I was thinking of the miserable failure of an attempt at marijuana prohibition. Again, personally I would chose having some more people smoking pot over more gangs, murder, wasted police time, packed prisons, families ripped apart, tons of wasted money, etc...
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  6. madmud101

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    That is a very good point and one that I had not thought of.

    But in the end, CA will just become a state with dopers on every street, prostitutes wandering on every corner and casinos on every sidewalk.

    Do you really want to live in a place like that?
     
  7. Leothwyn

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    Dopers on every street? That's like asking if I want beer drinkers on every street. Most people are fine doing alcohol and weed moderately, occasionally. Just because I like to drink beer doesn't mean that I drink it CONSTANTLY in excess. Same with all of the pot smokers that I know.

    Casinos? There's an indian casino less than 10 miles from my house. Haven't seen any problems so far.

    Prostitutes on corners? No thanks. I'd rather see them in legal brothels where they don't get beat up, they don't get forced to do anything that they aren't willing to do, and they won't be allowed to go on working if they have some horrible disease. I won't even go into the financial ridiculousness of legal vs. illegal prostitution.
     
  8. Electric_Shaman

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    Pretty much this. Legalising actually restricts street action, and reigns it back into designated areas; such as brothels, coffee shops, or casinos.

    The worst thing that could happen is a red light district developing, which isnt necessarily a bad thing anyway. And possibly a strip like Vegas.
     
  9. Brazilian Rider

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    Recent studies show you can in fact regrow lost brain cells.

    There is now literally no argument against it's legalization.
     
  10. Electric_Shaman

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    Especially since cannabis does not cause the loss of brain cells in the first place.

    That misconception is based on a study that was disproved back in the 90's. It was initially stated that monkeys were given x amount of THC via smoke inhalation. However it was revealed that in order to dose the monkeys they strapped them with gas masks for hours on end. The resulting loss of brain cells was due to suffocation, not THC.


    Alcohol on the other hand, does kill brain cells.
     
  11. Codycat

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    Don't stalk me.
    first, i am shocked of how many liberals there are on this forum. Second, the legalization of weed will only be for people who "medically need it". There would still be people arrested for having it without a license from a doctor. AND there is no solid evidence it actually helps people who medically need it.(at least that i have heard of)
     
  12. Electric_Shaman

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    #72 Electric_Shaman, Oct 30, 2010
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    Hello, welcome to this century.

    We've had legal medical cannabis for a while here.
     
  13. MidianGTX

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    And cars. Saw a beautiful Lambo spread across a highway due to alcohol in the news the other week. I almost shed a tear.
     
  14. 99c_gamer

    99c_gamer Well-Known Member

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    I'm in CA

    only person I've met who's against prop 19 happens to be a drug dealer.
     
  15. da shiz wiz 19

    da shiz wiz 19 Well-Known Member

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    It's called pain relief
     
  16. Duke Floss

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    #76 Duke Floss, Oct 31, 2010
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    first, I am never shocked at how ignorant conservatives are...

    secondly - read the bill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29

    It is not legalization of medical marijuana - it is State legalization of marijuana for personal consumption as well as for use/sale in licensed establishments. It would also allow people in California to grow for personal use.

    As for the medical benefits of it - well it does offer pain relief, it is also an appetite stimulant which could be considered medically beneficial for someone going through cancer treatment.
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    As for prostitution - legalization would guarantee safety for the employees, and cleanliness for the consumer - what is bad about that.
     
  17. MidianGTX

    MidianGTX Well-Known Member

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    Someone needs to link to that video of the guy with MS. If that doesn't prove to be an incredible medicine I don't know what does. Actually the entire film is a good watch, there are respected doctors on there who claim it has positive benefits for over 200 illnesses and ailments, more than any other substance on the planet.
     
  18. Cilo

    Cilo Well-Known Member

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    I can't wait till this passes. I'll finally be able to tolerate watching the local news.

     
  19. Random_Guy

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    Australia, mate!
    Drugs are bad for you.
     

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