Bon Jovi says Steve Jobs killed music!

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  1. crex

    crex Doctor of Game of the Week-ology

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    "You mark my words, in a generation from now people are going to say: 'What happened?' Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business."
    - Jon Bon Jovi

    Jon Bon Jovi has taken aim at Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, accusing him of "killing" the music industry with iTunes. He has stated:

    "Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it..
    God, it was a magical, magical time...I hate to sound like an old man now, but I am, and you mark my words, in a generation from now people are going to say: 'What happened?' Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business."​

    What do you guys think about it?






     
  2. jxw245

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    I don't think Steve Jobs is too blame, i think it should be sites like Youtube where music is put up as soon (or sooner) as it's released. And was iTunes even the first place to buy music online?
     
  3. Booch138

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    Well.... in a way I kind of agree with him in the simple sense that buying an album, listening to it and thumbing through the sleeve and reading the lyrics along is pretty much a thing of the past. Sure there are digital bookelets and stuff but the whole experience is ruined. I will also agree with him that it is an old thing, and our generation was used to that. I remember saving up money to go to my local music store and getting an album and listening to it straight for ever, and being excited each time. Now-a-days I download albums off the net illigally and go from there. All I get is the musical experience, not the old way. I will disagree with him, however, that Steve Jobs is not responsible for this shit at all, and Jon Bon Jovi can go f*ck off. HIS music killed music if you ask me.
     
  4. crex

    crex Doctor of Game of the Week-ology

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    I personally think that iTunes has helped the music industry.
     
  5. ImNoSuperMan

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    If anything steve jobs and apple saved (or atleast helped) the music industry which was pretty much doomed thanks to piracy. Digital downloads of music were available before iTunes and for free too. The tradition of buying the physical media was doomed one way or the other. Atleast now people are paying for their downloads.
     
  6. Eli

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    I miss albums. :(
     
  7. CaptainAwesome

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    #7 CaptainAwesome, Mar 15, 2011
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    Wait a second. Song previews have ruined music? Does he care to elaborate how blind purchases are any better than informed ones? I mean, I love having the jacket as a tangible thing and to get the songs at a higher bit rate, but I like to see if I appreciate what's inside first.

    And I get lost well enough in my music with my Klipsch headphones while looking at the cover on my iPod, thank you.

    Music put out today by the "popular" artists is crap, sure. And iTunes probably has a hand in making that stuff raved about. But the accessibility of iTunes and what it has done for audiophiles is no small feat. You can go back to a vinyl record for nostalgia's sake, but I like having thousands of songs anywhere I go in a lossless codec or something close to it.

    People said the same thing about CD's when they came around, how they were ruining the experience of tape decks or record players and the familiar sound they produced. Technology's evolving, whether we like it or not, and people will probably say something in a few years about how cloud-based listening ruined the experience of downloading songs.
     
  8. yemi

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    Like all rock and roll guys when they are out of the lime-lime they take shots at popular people to bring them back into the lime-light. Bon jovi doesnt even care about steve jobs , he cares about making a conterversy to get some media attention. He picked the wrong person because steve jobs wont waste a words on bon jovi's silly ass statements .Steve jobs is about making money.
     
  9. starjimstar

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    I'm a record collector.
     
  10. Coldar

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    For some buying albums was a mysterious package waiting to be opend and played and then finding only a couple songs preferred. Yea, nostaglica and all but its consumers money spend needlessly. I say its about time and I'm all for buying individual tracks. Thank you Steve Jobs, btw.
    And a "magical" experience in buying an album? More of a gamble, imo.
    And a generation from now its not going to be "what happened?".
    More likely that generation will say "who cares?".
     
  11. So, I guess that means we can add Jon Bon Jovi to the growing pantheon of aging stars who still think their opinions are relevant as they shout them at the top of their lungs from their immaculately manicured lawns waving a burled oak cane in one hand and a shotgun full of rock salt in the other? He can stand between Gene Simmons and James Hetfield.

    Times change. Progress marches inexorably onward. I miss playing music on brittle wax cylinders, but you don't see me complaining, do you? Sure, I liked reading liner notes and stuff, and it was nice having the physical media to browse. But do I miss carrying around a bunch of jewelcases? Swapping between albums? Fast-forwarding and rewinding cassettes? Hell, no. I can carry several hundred albums in my damn pocket and shuffle between any of thousands of songs on a whim, and sweet Jebus' left buttock, it's awesome.

    Plus, iTunes is starting to include all an album's liner notes and stuff with many albums, and I'm sure eventually you'll get the full CD experience, only digital. So I don't get to hold the physical media in my hand. You know what? I can live with that. I bought it for the music, and the music I have.

    And complaining about buying an album without knowing what it sounds like? This was a benefit? You know what, you can still do that. Hit up iTunes, pick a random album, and just buy it without listening to the previews. Mystery preserved!

    Seriously, Jon. You'll be much happier the sooner you come to grips with the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the future wasn't designed for you.
     
  12. Kai555

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    I fully support this statement. +1


    Who cares?
     
  13. LBG

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    I wonder what will be next after digital music. It's hard to imagine anything replacing it, but I'm sure it'll change in the future.
     
  14. Coldar

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    Why, haven't you heard? Micro Music tracks injected into the brain cells for our listening convenience and pleasure.
     
  15. thethinice

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    #15 thethinice, Mar 15, 2011
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    I certainly think that itunes has influenced the music industry, but not necassarily in a good way. Most of today's artists only care about the money involved, and the fame. Back in the day, you needed talent to become an artist. Back in the day, artists released albums, not singles, and every song of the album was perfected, and everyone loved every song. Itunes certainly has infuenced that, where people only buy singles and don't bother with anything else. It's sad.....
    I think I can see Bon Jovi's point of view, as he is an old artist and has been through the times, but I wouldn't necassarily go as far as to accuse Steve Jobs of killing the music industry, though I could see why he would think so.
    Now if you look at it in a physical prospect, I am glad as hell for my ipod that I can carry around, all the songs that I can listen to anywhere.

    By the way, is it true that a record player has a cleaner sound than digital music?
     
  16. MidianGTX

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    I agree with this part. The rest is all BS, but it was kinda fun doing the whole physical media thing. Digital music is fine, practically all of mine is digital, but I'm pretty sure it's not just nostalgia that makes people think actually being able to hold their music was a little bit special.

    I still can't buy into the practise of only downloading select songs from an album though. That's like taking a pair of scissors and cutting out the main focus of a Van Gogh painting; you may well have the best part but the dude painted more than that and he wanted you to see it as a whole. That's his heart and soul in there.

    It's more about the recording process than how you listen to it. Music that's been recorded digitally runs the risk of being edited too much, vocal tones get corrected, wrong notes get silenced and the end result doesn't really sound like a band playing together. It's alright for solo pop artists who can't particularly hit all of the notes in their own songs anyway, but with bands it's nice just to be able to hear a bunch of guys enjoying the vibe and if a slight mistake goes in there, what the hell, it gives it a bit of character.
     
  17. CDubby94

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    I HATE the idea of cutting an album into singles, but I have no problem with being able to preview an album.
     
  18. lepeos

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    The idea that one ever needed talent to become famous is a misnomer, 70% of music has always sucked it's just the crap nobody wants to listen to eventually gets filtered out and forgotten. Commercial appeal has been the driving force of music industry since the inception of Disco and a large part of the reason why piracy was so high in the 90's is most of the albums out there were stuffed with filler. I honestly can't imagine anyone out there has enjoyed every song on every album they've ever bought, or even most songs on a majority of albums they've ever bought. Singles have also been around for decades, usually containing multiple versions of a radio hit or mixed with a few B-sides and sold for $4+ because the studios could get away with it. The reason singles are so popular now is because most people only want that one song, it's usually the only of the few of value on the album and $1 doesn't seem like a steep price for "ownership" of a song. I'm not saying this is always the case, but was there anyone that bought a los del soul album for anything other then the macarena or a Ricky Martin album for anything other then livin la vita loca? Somehow I doubt it.
     
  20. MidianGTX

    MidianGTX Well-Known Member

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    I think what he meant to say is that bad music is easier to find these days, and it is.
     

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