Universal Asphalt 8: Airborne - (by Gameloft)

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  1. ReinoutV

    ReinoutV Active Member

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    Hello everybody

    I'm new here, but I've been reading a lot of the posts here with a lot of interest. I'm happy the people here discuss the cheaters openly, thank you all. I'm pretty far in the game, I have 889 stars, the Bugatti fails me. I've S8 eliminated myself a way toma lot of the cars, I have to be honest about that. But I'm stuck on the "Knockdown without wrecks" part of the Silver Lightning round in S8. I think I got the stars in the other matches by accident, because I can't figure out what I have to do. Just wrecking other cars and not crashing myself doesn't see, to do the trick. Who can help me?

    Thanks to Ryan, for being in this forum. I hope you guys will soon find a solution for the cheaters, they ruin multiplayer. Also, the tournaments aren't fair with the unlimited nitro guys there. Thank you all for this forum!
     
  2. Running Bird

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    This is the second time I've read about knockdowns without wreck not working as expected. Could this be a bug/regression that was introduced in Asphalt 8 1.1?

    When I completed those "knockdowns without wreck" events, they worked exactly the way everyone thinks they should work: You knock out opponents without wrecking your own car, neither during the knockout nor during a certain period of time after the knockout. So if you knock out enough opponents, and if you never wreck, you really should get that star.
     
  3. ReinoutV

    ReinoutV Active Member

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    Thank you! I tried again, 10 stars to go...
     
  4. Running Bird

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    #2184 Running Bird, Nov 25, 2013
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    Whew. That's one thing I can cross off my bucket list:

    [​IMG]

    Now, in the spirit of posting driving notes like others have done before, here's...


    Uncle Running Bird's Slightly Disappointing Guide To Winning Asphalt 8 Multiplayer Without Being Particularly Good At It #humblebrag

    The winning strategy actually occured to me while discussing how to avoid cheaters — right here, on Touch Arcade. You really just need two things:


    1. Time

    And lots of it. Depending on where you're coming from, this is a project for at least one entire weekend. I was at roughly 1,600 points when I decided to test my theory, and as some of you may have witnessed, it took me quite some time.


    2. The Right Car

    This is obviously a matter of taste to some extent, but in my opinion, the following criteria are helpful regardless of who you are...

    Slow:

    Unless you can handle the Silver Lightning reliably (hardly anyone can, because that thing handles like a truck strapped to a freight train), you want a car that will never encounter the Silver Lightning. Or the FXX. Those cars will knock you out at launch. And that's expensive — it can cost you 12 or 14 points per race, which translates to having to win at least 12 to 14 races to break even again. So you probably shouldn't go higher than lower B class.

    Another reason to pick a slow car is that cheaters like fast cars, and you don't want to race those guys. Besides, the slower the participating cars are, the more time you'll have to recover if you ever crash or have some other mishap.​

    Out-accelerates cars with similar rankings:

    If you're going to pick a car that will frequently race Survolts, for instance, you need a car that has similar acceleration. Because otherwise, once again welcome to knockdown land.​

    Comparable in ranking to popular, relatively cheap cars:

    The closer you get to the top, the more important it becomes to be in a race with 8 cars, because a lower number of competing cars will result in zero points for you, even if you win. Worse yet, Asphalt 8's matching algorithm might find it funny to use you as cannon fodder for S class races. So you want to make sure there's always ample, comparable competition.​

    Full upgraded and boosted:

    Souped-up cheap cars tend to perform a lot better than stock versions of "better" cars, even when the latter cars have significantly higher ratings. Don't worry about the credits needed for the boosts — you'll race a lot, and you'll earn a lot more credits than you can ever spend in the game. No real money needed.​

    There are a couple of cars that match all of these criteria. I settled for the Nissan 370Z, and I found out later that most of the current top 10 seem to have made the same choice — that's right, they all seem to follow this strategy.

    That said, the Scion FR-S and the Mini look like pretty good options, too. I tested both of them for a while earlier today, and they performed very well, compared to the cars they had to face in multiplayer.


    That's all there is to it.

    I told you it was going to be disappointing. S class races might be more glamorous, but they are just too risky. With those cars, crashing out is more likely, and it often means finishing last. You can't afford that.

    As an epilogue of sorts, how about some random notes and observations:

    Unfortunately, being a jerk pays off.

    Terrorizing newbies with a fully upgraded car isn't nice. And knocking them out is even less nice. But if you want to get ahead, that's exactly what you'll have to do. (Believe it or not, but this is one of the reasons why I don't plan on defending my position. I hate being that guy.)​

    Practice your barrel rolls and flat spins.

    This isn't even just about getting nitro. There's also a psychological aspect: Competitors that are hot on your heels tend to mimic you. If they see you do a barrel roll, for example, they'll try it as well, because they assume they'll need the resulting nitro. But if they don't come in with the right angle, they'll crash instead. The barrel roll at the beginning of the Iceland (forward) track is particularly effective in this regard, as is the last one in London (again, forward), right before you drop down to the street and prepare for the big jump.

    And remember that it doesn't always take a ramp to do a spin.​

    Always keep an eye on the map.

    If you know where your competition is, you'll know when you have to use your nitro. And you'll be able to avoid risky stunts (e.g., low-speed barrel rolls, or flat spins in the immediate vicinity of non-vaporizable obstacles) unless they're absolutely necessary to stay ahead.​

    Soon the playing field will be even again.

    There's a limit to the strategy I just outlined: The greater the difference between your rank and the competition's ranks is, the fewer points you'll get for each win. As hinted at above, with my current score, I'm at a point where my score often doesn't change, even if I win a race of 8 cars. I imagine that somewhere north of 2,100 points, that will simply always be the case, given the range of scores most people with low-level cars currently have.

    That limit will probably move slowly and steadily, but you're most likely never going to be 200 points ahead of everyone else, like the archetypical cheater "7 0 0" used to be.​
     
  5. Flatwell

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    Congratulations! This is a testament to both your skills and also tenacity! It was great seeing you rise so quickly in the ranks this past week!

    It's very interesting to hear about earning 0 ranking points. I'm at a point where I usually earn 1 point per win, sometimes 2, and lose 5-10 points if I come in second. It's terrifying to learn that you might even earn 0 points for a win. Wow.
     
  6. Gameloft_Ryan

    Gameloft_Ryan Well-Known Member

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    I don't consider this a bug because I think it's the same scenario if you were in a career race with only one car: You can't quit and just win. You still need to finish out the race.

    I'm not sure what the dialog box says because I've never been in a situation in Asphalt 8 where I'm playing MP and everyone else leaves so I also felt the need to leave.

    I believe this system is in place to discourage players from exploiting the match-making system and auto-leaving games to boost other players up.

    If someone wants to SS the menu option I'd be happy to pass along the feedback about possibly rewording it or adding clarification if it concerns enough people.
     
  7. Running Bird

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    #2187 Running Bird, Nov 25, 2013
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    That makes sense, but if that's your reasoning, why bring up a dialog at all? The dialog suggests that the last remaining racer quit, and it doesn't mention the penalty at all. In other words, the game actively tries to make you lose 10 points. That's malice in my book.

    I don't remember the wording exactly, and I'll take a screenshot next time I see it, but here's what it basically says:

    "You're the last remaining car. Do you want to continue racing?

    [Yes] [No]"​

    Again, this appears automatically as soon as the last competing car quits, and there's zero indication that you'll lose points if you choose "No". And since a lot of games have sudden win mechanisms of sorts for scenarios where a win is inevitable, I bet you 100 bucks that not a single Asphalt player ever even thought of the possibility of a penalty when looking at that dialog.

    And if you generally don't want to count a single-racer win as a win, why not just give the winner zero points? Why do you try to punish the winner by subtracting points?
     
  8. Played this on Android, seems to me, the ios version is alot better, but it is still fun nonetheless on Android.
     
  9. Flatwell

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    Sorry Ryan, but I think you may have misunderstood the bug. The bug is not that the winner can quit and abuse the system. The bug is that the dialog appears at all. The dialog box should NEVER appear. Let the player finish the race, fair and square, even if they're the only racer left in the race. Don't present them with a dialog box that misleads them to lose 10 ranking points.
     
  10. Rip73

    Rip73 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure why people are having an issue with this dialog box.
    Its purpose is plainly clear.

    It contributes to both discourage and stop people from abusing the system by just quitting and winning. Just as Ryan already said.
    A perfectly logical good reason. Otherwise it would be very easy for a small group of people to manipulate their own stats and not even finish a race.

    It also follows that if one is in multiplayer, one wants to race other players.
    If one wants to do that, the dialog box gives those that want to jump back in to a room with other players without waiting out to finish a race with no other racers the option to do just that.

    Fine, it affects ones stats but not everybody is concerned about leaderboard position, some just want to race other people.
    And for those who are more focused on their stats, well, you just finish out the race. Job done.

    The fact that the option comes up and those that choose to leave when it does, well, its a Did Not Finish.
    A DNF should not get awarded anyway, irrelevant of whether every other player leaves or not. In order to get awarded it should be very clear that one must finish the race.

    Its all about the options and all options are more or less covered by the dialog box.
    Why it needs to be spelled out that if you leave a race, irrelevant of whether you be the last one in it or not, that you don't get the awards is, well, why would it not be clear.
    A DNF is a DNF. While others want to get back in to races with other actual people, multiplayer, quicker than sitting out a race with no one.
     
  11. Running Bird

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    #2191 Running Bird, Nov 26, 2013
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    In other words: "Not sure why it's an issue, because the issue is irrelevant to me."

    I was trying to prove my slow car theory, and that dialog set me back half an hour. That's not the end of the world, but it's ... unnecessary.

    And just in case you think single-player races is how people get ahead in rankings — it's not. Races that end like that usually start with 4 our 5 cars, and that would have resulted in a zero points win for me anyway.

    That still doesn't explain why the dialog comes up at all, though. You get a notification about every single quitting competitor anyway. You can always look at the top left corner of your screen in response to that, and if you don't like the number of competitors, you can quit the race as well.

    If I quit deliberately, I expect the usual DNF consequences. If the game interrupts me and tells me that "hey, you can quit now", I kinda don't.

    (Also, d*mn, I owe Ryan 100 bucks now. PayPal?)
     
  12. PsYcHoNoVa

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    Wow, 4.6 million credits. What's the best way to acquire credits? Simply grinding away and replaying already completed events?
     
  13. Running Bird

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    And that's after fully upgrading every car in the game. ;)

    Short term: Repeat the highest-season event you have access to. The last race in season 8 nets you something between 4,000 and 4,500 credits per win, if I remember correctly.

    Long term: Multiplayer. Once you're at level 85, you'll get 6,500 credits per win. That's how I got all those credits — it just happened while I was trying to get ahead in business.

    Regardless of which one of these two you pick, don't forget to do lots of spins and barrel rolls. Those result in extra credits.
     
  14. Habakuk

    Habakuk Well-Known Member

    Wow. What an essay. Very interesting reading, thanks! That's why we (some local friends and I) are preferring local multiplayer mode. No cheaters possible. Absolute fair races in S tier. All have the same cars and upgrades (sync Game Center to the same account for ALL iOS devices in the same race). A new race starts in ten seconds! Gameloft should implement such a thing for online combats urgently.

    Everybody should try local multiplayer with some friends with almost the same skills: Never ending fun. NEVER! Always new and never expected situations!!! The bad news: You can't earn any money in local mp (this was different in Asphalt 7: Heat).

    There is no London backward in A8—the only track without reverse option. Other than that it's our favorite track right now in the fights for milliseconds. Love the oil cans, the bus stops, the classic Routemaster buses (no other traffic in mp modes) and the phone cells. And the subway's overhead line catenary poles (crashed into them three million times). But where is the queen? Uh… Here she is:

    You should try it on iPad Air—it's even better.

    Screenshot from iPad Air: London track just before the finish line. Big Ben in the background. Original file (resolution) size here.
     

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  15. Mess

    Mess Well-Known Member

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    @habakuk - do you mean in local MP? As there is definitely. Reverse London in A8 :D
     
  16. Habakuk

    Habakuk Well-Known Member

    Yes.

    In my A8 copy there isn't (just checked once more on two iPads—there are all tracks in reverse except London). Show me please.
     
  17. Mess

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    I haven't played local MP, but I will try to find which race it is in single player if you want :D
     
  18. Running Bird

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    Same here. How odd.

    By the way, I knew London Reverse isn't available in online multiplayer, but being overly specific didn't hurt in this case. Besides, some of these hints also apply to single player/ghost mode. :)
     
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    Mess Well-Known Member

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    I haven't played local MP, but I will try to find which race it is in single player if you want :D
     
  20. Flatwell

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    This started happening to me today. :-( I was in a race with 5 racers and after successful win, I got zero rank points. It was disappointing but it was good that I read your post and was prepared for this sad eventuality.

    I can occasionally get one rank point per win, but they're hit and miss now.
     

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