Screen shot 2009-10-23 at 4.47.26 PMMuch to our surprise, StoneLoops! of Jurassica was recently removed from the App Store. This is particularly unfortunate, as we not only gave the game a glowing review, but I would also include it in any listing of really great iPhone games.

Maciej Biedrzycki, co-founder of Codeminion, developers of StoneLoops explained on his blog today the reasoning behind the recent removal, which all boils down to a complaint filed by Mumbo Jumbo, developers of Luxor:

About 3 weeks ago we have learned that Mumbo Jumbo supplied Apple with a formal complaint and a request to remove StoneLoops! from the AppStore. The reason? Infringing Luxor copyright, confusing customers, stealing Luxor’s look & feel and even stealing their source code!

Codeminion responded to the complaint, and heard nothing of it for several weeks. After assuming their response was satisfactory, they later discovered that StoneLoops had ultimately been removed from the App Store.

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This entire situation has left members of our forums both in both the StoneLoops and Luxor threads scratching their heads. While the original version of Luxor was released about 3 years prior to StoneLoops!, neither game is based on an entirely original concept, as PopCap's Zuma was released in 2003, and Puzz Loop (which is also on the App Store) was released all the way back in 1998. We've yet to receive a response from Mumbo Jumbo to get their side of the story.

  • dumas1000

    Luxor stole from Zuma and Luxor is angry that Stoneloops stole from Luxor? Huh? Excuse me? Huh?

    • Adams Immersive

      And Zuma stole from PuzzLoop!

      Don't get me wrong, I like games that are as original as possible, and I'd feel the pain of anyone with a great idea who sees someone else run with it and profit. But PuzzLoop has been out over a decade now, with many clones and derivatives, and it's fun to play evolutions that go beyond the original. If a game is fun, playing "new and improved" variations is fun too.

      StoneLoops is definitely fun: by far my favorite of the genre, super polished, and one of my all-time favorite iPhone games period. Apple blocking it because the competition tells them to is absurd. I’m sure glad I have it already! I hope Apple changes their mind and works this out fairly, without losing Codeminion too much money.

      As for "look and feel" being the same as Luxor? Hardly! And the game play itself is unique too, within the bounds of the genre (which Mumbo Jumbo did not invent).

      • Adams Immersive

        I’ll add that I do see now how the absurdity may be legally forced upon Apple. Nonetheless… absurd.

    • http://www.monicadickey.com Monica Dickey

      haha yeah that's what I thought. The shoot colored stones with other colored stones genre isn't the most original though I guess, and if you can get your competitor kicked out for awhile that's just the cut-throat biz of colored stone matching games right? haha

  • dumas1000

    Luxor stole from Zuma and Luxor is angry that Stoneloops stole from Luxor? Huh? Excuse me? Huh?

    • Adams Immersive

      And Zuma stole from PuzzLoop!

      Don't get me wrong, I like games that are as original as possible, and I'd feel the pain of anyone with a great idea who sees someone else run with it and profit. But PuzzLoop has been out over a decade now, with many clones and derivatives, and it's fun to play evolutions that go beyond the original. If a game is fun, playing "new and improved" variations is fun too.

      StoneLoops is definitely fun: by far my favorite of the genre, super polished, and one of my all-time favorite iPhone games period. Apple blocking it because the competition tells them to is absurd. I’m sure glad I have it already! I hope Apple changes their mind and works this out fairly, without losing Codeminion too much money.

      As for "look and feel" being the same as Luxor? Hardly! And the game play itself is unique too, within the bounds of the genre (which Mumbo Jumbo did not invent).

      • Adams Immersive

        I’ll add that I do see now how the absurdity may be legally forced upon Apple. Nonetheless… absurd.

    • http://www.monicadickey.com Monica Dickey

      haha yeah that's what I thought. The shoot colored stones with other colored stones genre isn't the most original though I guess, and if you can get your competitor kicked out for awhile that's just the cut-throat biz of colored stone matching games right? haha

  • copetes

    wtf that is bs
    stoneloops was an awesome game, much better than luxor for sure
    dam u mumbo jumbo!!

  • copetes

    wtf that is bs
    stoneloops was an awesome game, much better than luxor for sure
    dam u mumbo jumbo!!

  • Ender

    According to TUAW:

    "One of the most ironic facts? Codeminion offered StoneLoops! to MumboJumbo initially. The company declined to pick up the game and did not cite any sort of copyright infringement then."

    http://www.tuaw.com/2009/10/23/stoneloops-pulled-from-app-store/

  • Ender

    According to TUAW:

    "One of the most ironic facts? Codeminion offered StoneLoops! to MumboJumbo initially. The company declined to pick up the game and did not cite any sort of copyright infringement then."

    http://www.tuaw.com/2009/10/23/stoneloops-pulled-from-app-store/

  • Dark NRG

    You know, HIVE was just released, and this was the argument against Hanto, a clone. Stated, you can't patents game rules (in the US). Wonder what affect this will have on others if this is such a situation, tho I doubt it. Nothing is really origianal, and I can't see Harbor Master disappearing because of Flight Control, et al.

  • Dark NRG

    You know, HIVE was just released, and this was the argument against Hanto, a clone. Stated, you can't patents game rules (in the US). Wonder what affect this will have on others if this is such a situation, tho I doubt it. Nothing is really origianal, and I can't see Harbor Master disappearing because of Flight Control, et al.

  • LordFoul

    Apple really stepped in it this time. They really should not be giving people a reason to jailbreak their iphone/ipod touch or jump ship to an open system like android, which eventually will have thousands of apps as well. Esp. if they keep pushing smaller devs away like this.

    I'm personally disgusted that Apple would do this. Hopefully this gets reversed in short order when someone higher up in Apple sees the outrage they have caused.

    • arn

      as expressed in this thread: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=30406

      I don't think the removal is something you can blame Apple about. When YouTube removes a video clip in response to a legal action, do you blame YouTube?

      arn

      • Dark NRG

        great point!

      • no

        i blame youtube

      • iScream

        I would blame youtube if it removed a video that didn't actually infringe on another video without hearing out both sides.

    • Dolita

      Stupid. It's MumboJumbo's, not Apple's fault.

      • marcoozark@gmail.com

        It is Apples fault. they simply are claiming that the information that Codeminion gave MumboJumbo did not satisfy MumboJumbo. Apple is listen to a developer about making an internal appstore decision. Bull$h!t...this totally Apples doing....Codeminion, just doesn't want to piss them off and point fingers at them....its not in his best interest

  • LordFoul

    Apple really stepped in it this time. They really should not be giving people a reason to jailbreak their iphone/ipod touch or jump ship to an open system like android, which eventually will have thousands of apps as well. Esp. if they keep pushing smaller devs away like this.

    I'm personally disgusted that Apple would do this. Hopefully this gets reversed in short order when someone higher up in Apple sees the outrage they have caused.

    • arn

      as expressed in this thread: http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=30406

      I don't think the removal is something you can blame Apple about. When YouTube removes a video clip in response to a legal action, do you blame YouTube?

      arn

      • Dark NRG

        great point!

      • no

        i blame youtube

      • iScream

        I would blame youtube if it removed a video that didn't actually infringe on another video without hearing out both sides.

    • Dolita

      Stupid. It's MumboJumbo's, not Apple's fault.

      • marcoozark@gmail.com

        It is Apples fault. they simply are claiming that the information that Codeminion gave MumboJumbo did not satisfy MumboJumbo. Apple is listen to a developer about making an internal appstore decision. Bull$h!t...this totally Apples doing....Codeminion, just doesn't want to piss them off and point fingers at them....its not in his best interest

  • Booch138

    Wow... What a bunch of little bitches. How pathetic.

  • Booch138

    Wow... What a bunch of little bitches. How pathetic.

  • http://nodpad.com No DPad

    That's too bad since StoneLoops! is the superior game.

  • http://nodpad.com No DPad

    That's too bad since StoneLoops! is the superior game.

  • Yeah

    Does Apple even know you can't copyright an idea?

  • Yeah

    Does Apple even know you can't copyright an idea?

  • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

    I have one thing to say to anybody who is actually blaming Apple for this: welcome to the world of the DMCA. It's not Apple's role to determine whether a copyright claim is valid or invalid. Once the claim is made, the law requires a content provider to remove the allegedly offending material from distribution. To do otherwise would get Apple involved in the copyright dispute and make it liable in any action MumboJumbo took against Codeminion. Keep in mind that regardless of what we all think MumboJumbo's claim, there is a chance that they could prevail in court against Codeminion (stranger things have happened); it would be negligent for Apple to make itself vulnerable in such a situation. More important, if Apple went ahead and did "the right thing," (that is, tell MumboJumbo to take a hike) it would no longer be able to claim neutrality as content provider, and it would open itself to claims by anyone who feels their copyright has been violated by material available at the App Store (or iTunes for that matter). That would be the end of all that.

    There is no question that Apple should have given Codeminion a head's up before removing Stoneloops, but, as we all, know, the company is not known for being forthcoming. If anyone is to blame for this ridiculous situation, though, it's MumboJumbo.

    • Steve Jobbs

      squarezero

      No one here is blaming Apple! I don't understand the need for some people to constantly defend all of their actions even when they haven't done anything 'wrong' in the first place. People like you need to stop talking on behalf of Apple and stop giving the company the benefit of the doubt every single damn time. I just hate when people feel the need to kiss Apples' asses whenever possible...

      • Dodo

        Lord Foul above you is blaming Apple!

    • TKO

      I like kissing Apple's ass .. it's smooth, warm and soft. :)

      • ImNoSuperMan

        Lol. =p

  • http://www.squarezerostudio.com squarezero

    I have one thing to say to anybody who is actually blaming Apple for this: welcome to the world of the DMCA. It's not Apple's role to determine whether a copyright claim is valid or invalid. Once the claim is made, the law requires a content provider to remove the allegedly offending material from distribution. To do otherwise would get Apple involved in the copyright dispute and make it liable in any action MumboJumbo took against Codeminion. Keep in mind that regardless of what we all think MumboJumbo's claim, there is a chance that they could prevail in court against Codeminion (stranger things have happened); it would be negligent for Apple to make itself vulnerable in such a situation. More important, if Apple went ahead and did "the right thing," (that is, tell MumboJumbo to take a hike) it would no longer be able to claim neutrality as content provider, and it would open itself to claims by anyone who feels their copyright has been violated by material available at the App Store (or iTunes for that matter). That would be the end of all that.

    There is no question that Apple should have given Codeminion a head's up before removing Stoneloops, but, as we all, know, the company is not known for being forthcoming. If anyone is to blame for this ridiculous situation, though, it's MumboJumbo.

    • Steve Jobbs

      squarezero

      No one here is blaming Apple! I don't understand the need for some people to constantly defend all of their actions even when they haven't done anything 'wrong' in the first place. People like you need to stop talking on behalf of Apple and stop giving the company the benefit of the doubt every single damn time. I just hate when people feel the need to kiss Apples' asses whenever possible...

      • Dodo

        Lord Foul above you is blaming Apple!

    • TKO

      I like kissing Apple's ass .. it's smooth, warm and soft. :)

      • ImNoSuperMan

        Lol. =p

  • http://www.twitchfactor.com Twitchfactor

    Unbelievable that Mumbo Jumbo would go after a game that they themselves ripped the idea from.

    What's next? EA asking for a C&D on Sony's release of God of War 3, because it infringes on Dante's Inferno?!?

    And what's with this claim of "stolen source code" or is that some BS just thrown in to somehow give some weight to their claim?

    It's amazing how the big guy who used to be the small guy is happy to shit on the little guy, once they become "the guy".

    • Busted!

      "Dante's Inferno" the video game infringes on a 700-year old work that is copyrighted forever just because it's TOO OLD (=pre-1710), and we all that Dante still owns the rights to the so-called Divine "Comedy" after all these centuries!

  • http://www.twitchfactor.com Twitchfactor

    Unbelievable that Mumbo Jumbo would go after a game that they themselves ripped the idea from.

    What's next? EA asking for a C&D on Sony's release of God of War 3, because it infringes on Dante's Inferno?!?

    And what's with this claim of "stolen source code" or is that some BS just thrown in to somehow give some weight to their claim?

    It's amazing how the big guy who used to be the small guy is happy to shit on the little guy, once they become "the guy".

    • Busted!

      "Dante's Inferno" the video game infringes on a 700-year old work that is copyrighted forever just because it's TOO OLD (=pre-1710), and we all that Dante still owns the rights to the so-called Divine "Comedy" after all these centuries!

  • TKO

    You know, I was going to make sure this one (and other MumboJumbo titles ..except they don't have anything) was avoided, both by me and my other iPhone owning friends. Looks like I was unfortunate enough to buy it in the past though, so I can post my thoughts on the store instead. {evil grin}

    Funnily enough, I'm sure I bought Luxor, Atlantis Sky Patrol, and Stoneloops of Jurassica all at the same time. Luxor was mediocre enough that I removed it and even forgot about it.

    This is merely Zuma (or PuzzLoop) with a linear rather than radial aiming mechanism. No way in hell they should be able to legally claim anything based on that. What assholes.

  • TKO

    You know, I was going to make sure this one (and other MumboJumbo titles ..except they don't have anything) was avoided, both by me and my other iPhone owning friends. Looks like I was unfortunate enough to buy it in the past though, so I can post my thoughts on the store instead. {evil grin}

    Funnily enough, I'm sure I bought Luxor, Atlantis Sky Patrol, and Stoneloops of Jurassica all at the same time. Luxor was mediocre enough that I removed it and even forgot about it.

    This is merely Zuma (or PuzzLoop) with a linear rather than radial aiming mechanism. No way in hell they should be able to legally claim anything based on that. What assholes.

  • Maeks

    Neil Young should sue them all, his Zuma album appeared nearly 30 years before all of these!

  • Maeks

    Neil Young should sue them all, his Zuma album appeared nearly 30 years before all of these!

  • Stephen

    This is a real shame. I LOVE Stoneloops. I also own Luxor and while it looks nice, it's incredibly boring. I think we should all send a note to Mumbo Jumbo thanking them for being the a-holes that they are. I know I am. In addition, I won't be buying anything from them again. I own the Mac version of Luxor & had a question once. They provided horrible customer service.

  • Stephen

    This is a real shame. I LOVE Stoneloops. I also own Luxor and while it looks nice, it's incredibly boring. I think we should all send a note to Mumbo Jumbo thanking them for being the a-holes that they are. I know I am. In addition, I won't be buying anything from them again. I own the Mac version of Luxor & had a question once. They provided horrible customer service.

  • 5duc29

    As much as I hate Stoneloops, I agree, Luxor made a bad decision. I hate when there's tension between developers. Stoneloops came out first on the device and Luxor's failure to come before and sale is their own fault, Stoneloops should not have suffered this... :(

    I'm pretty sure this happens every time, and even bigger in the PC and console games...

  • 5duc29

    As much as I hate Stoneloops, I agree, Luxor made a bad decision. I hate when there's tension between developers. Stoneloops came out first on the device and Luxor's failure to come before and sale is their own fault, Stoneloops should not have suffered this... :(

    I'm pretty sure this happens every time, and even bigger in the PC and console games...

  • ImNoSuperMan

    Extremely ridiculous move by JibberJabber(or TumboLumbo watever). If your game sucks then improve it instead of killing the competition by unfair practice. Apple btw can't be blamed here as anyone else might have done the same thing. What they should do now is to remove Luxor too from the AppStore until the issue is resolved, legally or otherwise. That'd serve JibberJabber right. They don't deserve any free publicity due to this crappy move. >:(

  • ImNoSuperMan

    Extremely ridiculous move by JibberJabber(or TumboLumbo watever). If your game sucks then improve it instead of killing the competition by unfair practice. Apple btw can't be blamed here as anyone else might have done the same thing. What they should do now is to remove Luxor too from the AppStore until the issue is resolved, legally or otherwise. That'd serve JibberJabber right. They don't deserve any free publicity due to this crappy move. >:(

  • Br1an

    "NONE", that is.

  • Derik

    Oh come on! What about Hot Shots Golf.. oh wait! They call it Lets Golf lol nvm! I'm sure there is more to this than I am aware of, but really! I think they just like to take away the stuff we enjoy too much! Apple likes to keep us in check ;P

  • Derik

    Oh come on! What about Hot Shots Golf.. oh wait! They call it Lets Golf lol nvm! I'm sure there is more to this than I am aware of, but really! I think they just like to take away the stuff we enjoy too much! Apple likes to keep us in check ;P

  • Drunknbass

    Eventho apple legally did what they had to do, it makes me wonder WTF do they do to earn this 30% they take off all these sales. If it wasn't for devs like the ones who made stoneloops they wouldn't be turning huge profits on this magical wonderful iPhone. Remember before the iPhone came out? Apple wasn't doing so hot back then.

    • Mister Mumbles

      Not doing so hot before the iPhone? Man, I sure wish I had what you're smoking. Mac sales have been growing year on year, particularly the notebooks, and the iPod has been selling extremely well well before the iPhone was ever announced.

      Apple's just raking in even more dough since the iPhone.

    • TKO

      Yeah, um, if what you mean by "not doing so hot" is that they were doing freaking well back then, and now they're doing freaking *freaking* well .. then your assessment would be right. ..The mistake most people make when judging Apple is they look at their market share, which is a bad metric. Apple sells mid to high-end PC's, where all the profit is. They also *own* the mp3 player market, which is a huge market.

      You have to think way back to the early OS-X and Mac only iPod days to when it was uncertain if the company was going to do well again. I've been doing Mac and PC tech support for years, and I see a *whole* lot more Mac Laptops and iDevices than I can ever rememeber. Quite apart from the iPhone, they're doing alright.

  • Drunknbass

    Eventho apple legally did what they had to do, it makes me wonder WTF do they do to earn this 30% they take off all these sales. If it wasn't for devs like the ones who made stoneloops they wouldn't be turning huge profits on this magical wonderful iPhone. Remember before the iPhone came out? Apple wasn't doing so hot back then.

    • Mister Mumbles

      Not doing so hot before the iPhone? Man, I sure wish I had what you're smoking. Mac sales have been growing year on year, particularly the notebooks, and the iPod has been selling extremely well well before the iPhone was ever announced.

      Apple's just raking in even more dough since the iPhone.

    • TKO

      Yeah, um, if what you mean by "not doing so hot" is that they were doing freaking well back then, and now they're doing freaking *freaking* well .. then your assessment would be right. ..The mistake most people make when judging Apple is they look at their market share, which is a bad metric. Apple sells mid to high-end PC's, where all the profit is. They also *own* the mp3 player market, which is a huge market.

      You have to think way back to the early OS-X and Mac only iPod days to when it was uncertain if the company was going to do well again. I've been doing Mac and PC tech support for years, and I see a *whole* lot more Mac Laptops and iDevices than I can ever rememeber. Quite apart from the iPhone, they're doing alright.

  • http://www.northernbytes.ca Louard

    Mumbo Jumbo, eh?... Could they have picked a more appropriate name!? I was playing PuzzLoop back in college!

  • http://www.northernbytes.ca Louard

    Mumbo Jumbo, eh?... Could they have picked a more appropriate name!? I was playing PuzzLoop back in college!

  • Kane2007uk

    I think those that have Luxor and strongly feel MumboJumbo went too far should do what I'm gonna do in a sec, Remove Luxor and give it one star, anyone who already wrote a glowing review alter them stating your reasons and retract your stars to 1, would at least show your support for Codeminion.

  • Kane2007uk

    I think those that have Luxor and strongly feel MumboJumbo went too far should do what I'm gonna do in a sec, Remove Luxor and give it one star, anyone who already wrote a glowing review alter them stating your reasons and retract your stars to 1, would at least show your support for Codeminion.

  • http://starscenesoftware.com Eric5h5

    Codeminion should immediately write to Apple and demand that Luxor be removed from sale. If MumboJumbo can do it, so can Codeminion.

  • http://starscenesoftware.com Eric5h5

    Codeminion should immediately write to Apple and demand that Luxor be removed from sale. If MumboJumbo can do it, so can Codeminion.

  • jacques

    mumbo jumbo are just a bunch of s%@!!y producers who are afraid that stoneloops will take their sales because their better
    why dont they just make luxor better?

  • jacques

    mumbo jumbo are just a bunch of s%@!!y producers who are afraid that stoneloops will take their sales because their better
    why dont they just make luxor better?

  • Nemo

    NO WAY! Stoneloops is one of my favorite iphone games! Please bring it back! Luxor is nothing compared to it!

  • Nemo

    NO WAY! Stoneloops is one of my favorite iphone games! Please bring it back! Luxor is nothing compared to it!

  • http://www.yourpersonalrobot.com your personal robot

    For me, Atlantis Sky Patrol ist the best game of all - by far.
    Will MumboJumbo also take this down? I hope, the power of the masses can do something again. Please spread the word!

    • TKO

      The nice thing about the store at the moment is, if you do a search for Stone Loops, you get Atlantis Sky Patrol, but not Luxor. ..unfortunately Atlantis Sky Patrol is more expensive. But it is a far far superior game.

  • xeno

    Well that's a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo, I'm never buying any of your apps ever again. Even if you made the best game ever swines.

    On an unrelated note, "Biedrzycki," damn, goodluck pronouncing that Americans.

  • http://www.yourpersonalrobot.com your personal robot

    For me, Atlantis Sky Patrol ist the best game of all - by far.
    Will MumboJumbo also take this down? I hope, the power of the masses can do something again. Please spread the word!

    • TKO

      The nice thing about the store at the moment is, if you do a search for Stone Loops, you get Atlantis Sky Patrol, but not Luxor. ..unfortunately Atlantis Sky Patrol is more expensive. But it is a far far superior game.

  • xeno

    Well that's a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo, I'm never buying any of your apps ever again. Even if you made the best game ever swines.

    On an unrelated note, "Biedrzycki," damn, goodluck pronouncing that Americans.

  • PocketGodLover

    I'm so glad I bought it when I did. This game is awesome. I bought it like last week.... But this is horrible!

  • PocketGodLover

    I'm so glad I bought it when I did. This game is awesome. I bought it like last week.... But this is horrible!

  • dannys95

    "Steal source code"? WTF!

  • dannys95

    "Steal source code"? WTF!

  • Nick

    Stoneloops is vastly superior to Luxor, which is probably why they are annoyed by it.

    I got luxor, and got bored of it after I realised it was nothing but the same five or so levels looped over and over again.

  • Nick

    Stoneloops is vastly superior to Luxor, which is probably why they are annoyed by it.

    I got luxor, and got bored of it after I realised it was nothing but the same five or so levels looped over and over again.

  • LordFoul

    Perhaps Apple has no choice but to remove the app, particularly if MumboJumbo has brought legal action against them.

    That is not what the article says though - it says they filed a complaint with Apple and list copyright infringement as one of the reasons they want the app pulled, along with stealing source code, etc. Perhaps they have proof of this that hasn't been disclosed?

    Otherwise, it sure sounds like Apple is just taking one (larger) publisher's word on this over another's, which would seem to open some floodgates for squashing competition.

  • LordFoul

    Perhaps Apple has no choice but to remove the app, particularly if MumboJumbo has brought legal action against them.

    That is not what the article says though - it says they filed a complaint with Apple and list copyright infringement as one of the reasons they want the app pulled, along with stealing source code, etc. Perhaps they have proof of this that hasn't been disclosed?

    Otherwise, it sure sounds like Apple is just taking one (larger) publisher's word on this over another's, which would seem to open some floodgates for squashing competition.

  • http://christians-media.com chuckiej

    Zuma and Luxor 2 co-exist on Xbox 360 so this really makes no sense. I bet when Zuma does show up on iPhone there will be no issues. PopCap will fight it! I'll stick with PopCap for I know what kind of quality I am getting when I buy from them... StoneLoops looks simply like not just a very similar concept (Luxor) but a nearly direct copy of Zuma. I simply cannot support that.

  • http://christians-media.com chuckiej

    Zuma and Luxor 2 co-exist on Xbox 360 so this really makes no sense. I bet when Zuma does show up on iPhone there will be no issues. PopCap will fight it! I'll stick with PopCap for I know what kind of quality I am getting when I buy from them... StoneLoops looks simply like not just a very similar concept (Luxor) but a nearly direct copy of Zuma. I simply cannot support that.

  • Greg

    I find it hard to believe any statement from the debeloper of the game (StoneLoops). He's obviously biased. I say there's more to this story.

  • Greg

    I find it hard to believe any statement from the debeloper of the game (StoneLoops). He's obviously biased. I say there's more to this story.

  • Brian

    Anther clear example of companies trying to put down the success of others by claiming copyright.

  • Brian

    Anther clear example of companies trying to put down the success of others by claiming copyright.

  • Jeff

    I just nailed mumbojumbo on iTunes with a 1 star review. If you haven't yet...I'd recommend heading on over there. Pathetic way to do business. I'm pissed...

    • ImNoSuperMan

      Yup. You guys who were unfortunate enough to have bought Luxor keep on writing those 1 star reviews. The rest of us will show our support by voting such reviews as helpful. You n me, together we'll bring down this eveil empire.

      Ahem, that was a bit too over the top :o
      Alright, let's join our hands and make sure no one else buys this game thanx to your reviews :)

  • Jeff

    I just nailed mumbojumbo on iTunes with a 1 star review. If you haven't yet...I'd recommend heading on over there. Pathetic way to do business. I'm pissed...

    • ImNoSuperMan

      Yup. You guys who were unfortunate enough to have bought Luxor keep on writing those 1 star reviews. The rest of us will show our support by voting such reviews as helpful. You n me, together we'll bring down this eveil empire.

      Ahem, that was a bit too over the top :o
      Alright, let's join our hands and make sure no one else buys this game thanx to your reviews :)

  • Jeff

    FYI...just tried to go to MumboJumbo's website. It's down...

  • Jeff

    FYI...just tried to go to MumboJumbo's website. It's down...

  • http://www.bluesolarsoftware.com Blue Solar

    Sad, looks like this is the second stage of the app store. Instead of competing on an even field, the big companies are crying to mommy and releasing dreck.

  • http://www.bluesolarsoftware.com Blue Solar

    Sad, looks like this is the second stage of the app store. Instead of competing on an even field, the big companies are crying to mommy and releasing dreck.

  • http://Myspace.com/battlebornmusic BattleBorn

    Here we go again...

  • http://Myspace.com/battlebornmusic BattleBorn

    Here we go again...

  • Brian

    Guys! A new version update is up!

    Download and leave 1 star and write a nasty review!

  • Brian

    Guys! A new version update is up!

    Download and leave 1 star and write a nasty review!

  • http://www.viekoslavia.com/ Vieko Franetovic

    What a shameful display of who has the bigger bankroll behind them... and then there is Apple: avoiding a potential lawsuit AND screwing a small developer instead of facilitating a solution for everyone ~ FAIL

  • http://www.viekoslavia.com/ Vieko Franetovic

    What a shameful display of who has the bigger bankroll behind them... and then there is Apple: avoiding a potential lawsuit AND screwing a small developer instead of facilitating a solution for everyone ~ FAIL

  • daniel

    HAHAHAHA i still have stoneloop in my itouch so its not actually removed for me. :)

    • NotReally

      But you will never get another free update if there are problems with firmware 4.0 for example.

      • ImNoSuperMan

        Also remember you wont be able to redownload it in case you lose your current data due to some HDD crash or anything. So make sure you create a backup of this game asap :)

    • TKO

      Yup .. Apple won't remove a game from your iDevice (unless there's something really *really* bad about it ..as in, it might brick your iDevice or break other stuff etc.) ..but not Stoneloops is gone from the store, that means no more updates or fixes to keep it working on newer firmware.

      It also means the best of the two cheap linear-control Zuma games is gone for everyone who didn't get it yet. There's still Atlantis.. but that one costs a bit more.

  • daniel

    HAHAHAHA i still have stoneloop in my itouch so its not actually removed for me. :)

    • NotReally

      But you will never get another free update if there are problems with firmware 4.0 for example.

      • ImNoSuperMan

        Also remember you wont be able to redownload it in case you lose your current data due to some HDD crash or anything. So make sure you create a backup of this game asap :)

    • TKO

      Yup .. Apple won't remove a game from your iDevice (unless there's something really *really* bad about it ..as in, it might brick your iDevice or break other stuff etc.) ..but not Stoneloops is gone from the store, that means no more updates or fixes to keep it working on newer firmware.

      It also means the best of the two cheap linear-control Zuma games is gone for everyone who didn't get it yet. There's still Atlantis.. but that one costs a bit more.

  • Brian

    Luxor just came out with a Lite version. Go download it and then leave a 1 star comment.

    • ImNoSuperMan

      Already did. Twice, as I use two different account for iTunes ;)

  • Brian

    Luxor just came out with a Lite version. Go download it and then leave a 1 star comment.

    • ImNoSuperMan

      Already did. Twice, as I use two different account for iTunes ;)

  • anthonyafterwit

    I am officially boycotting Mumbo Jumbo games. What losers.

  • anthonyafterwit

    I am officially boycotting Mumbo Jumbo games. What losers.

  • Mac

    Tetris did this with Mino and not to any of the other Tetris style games in the store. Why? Because Mino was successful and a better game. Now Luxor is going after StoneLoops. Why? Because Stoneloops is a successful and better game. All about the competition, but what about all the other similiar style games that weren't so successful? Why is no one going after them?

  • Mac

    Tetris did this with Mino and not to any of the other Tetris style games in the store. Why? Because Mino was successful and a better game. Now Luxor is going after StoneLoops. Why? Because Stoneloops is a successful and better game. All about the competition, but what about all the other similiar style games that weren't so successful? Why is no one going after them?

  • http://www.taykron.com/ matriax

    I like MumboJumbo games... but as developer and buyer i not go to buy nothing more from this company.

    P.D. I also buy StoneLoops and was a great game.

  • http://www.taykron.com/ matriax

    I like MumboJumbo games... but as developer and buyer i not go to buy nothing more from this company.

    P.D. I also buy StoneLoops and was a great game.

  • Peter

    One can only hope Hudson Soft does the same to MumboJumbo. It is a pretty low act. What goes around should come around in this instance hopefully!

  • Peter

    One can only hope Hudson Soft does the same to MumboJumbo. It is a pretty low act. What goes around should come around in this instance hopefully!

  • peterdawolf

    Stoneloops rocks. I'm wondering if there's a way to hack it only my phone..

  • peterdawolf

    Stoneloops rocks. I'm wondering if there's a way to hack it only my phone..

  • Sam

    All I can say... oh my goodness. I had to restore my iPod so all my apps were removed... I tried to find StoneLoops and it was gone... I think I'm going to go cry now.

  • Sam

    All I can say... oh my goodness. I had to restore my iPod so all my apps were removed... I tried to find StoneLoops and it was gone... I think I'm going to go cry now.

  • Ocean12

    same here. i bought it and had to restore my iphone, no backup..lost it....... :((

  • Br1an

    "NONE", that is.