c8ftuxvewp8okxdt4cjng4oio1_500Ngmoco representative mjmoco has revealed on our forums that Rolando 2 will be released on July 1st.

To celebrate the release they have put WordFu [App Store] and Dr. Awesome [App Store] on sale for $0.99.

A particularly curious announcement, however, is that the original Rolando [App Store] will be removed from the App Store at that time:

Also, make sure you snag a copy of the original Rolando while you still can. We'll be moving Rolando and Rolando Lite off the App Store on July 1 to make room for Rolando 2.

Rolando was originally released on December 17th, 2008. We're not sure the reasoning behind the removal, but we'll let you know what we find out.

Here's the trailer for Rolando 2:

Update: MJ from Ngmoco has clarified the status of Rolando:

Basically, we want the spotlight on Rolando 2 when it hits the App Store. We're not discontinuing support for Rolando, we're just discontinuing sales. And Rolando may return to the App Store in the future, but if and when it does we'll want to include Plus+ support for it.

  • redking31591

    wow, i feel stupid i just sent a tip email saying they might want to do this. I think arn is psychic!! Can't wait for Rolando 2 though. it looks better than the original

  • Dale

    Yay, only two more sleeps! Hopefully this game will live
    up to it's hype and more. Definitely a must buy for me.

  • redking31591

    wow, i feel stupid i just sent a tip email saying they might want to do this. I think arn is psychic!! Can't wait for Rolando 2 though. it looks better than the original

  • Dale

    Yay, only two more sleeps! Hopefully this game will live
    up to it's hype and more. Definitely a must buy for me.

  • Radchad1

    The news about Rolando being pulled from the appstore to make room has to be one of the worst marketing strategies in the history of video gaming. I've had Rolando since the first day it was released and it's a really great game. You would think with Apple having sold 1 million new iphone 3GS this past weekend in the states, that you would want to market Rolando to all the new Apple customers. No. You instead don't lower the price you pull the game from the appstore. That makes no sense whatsoever. How are you going to market Rolando 2 to new customers that haven't played the first one and won't have the chance? Did you marketers think about this before they came-up with idea of pulling the first Rolando? Come on Ngmoco don't be that stupid. Lower the price of the first to people that don't have the first and you might get another purchase from them on the second game.

    • redking31591

      wow dejavu I swear I read the exact same thing a few minutes ago in the forum :)

      • Radchad1

        You did just wanted to get my point across if ngmoco is on the forums.

      • redking31591

        I know it was just weird when I started reading it. trust me I think pulling a great game such a Rolando is stupid. It's very different from the sequel and I personally would buy them both If I already didn't own Rolando. I every game studio pulled the original when the sequel came out they would go broke. I think it should stay because Rolando is a wonderful iPhone game and the sequel is shaping up to be the same.

    • Jim

      It will come back and people will want it more than ever. Stunt rise, stunt set.

      • moush

        Won't matter, it's still a bad move.

  • http://slidetoplay.com STP_Tim

    My Conspiracy theory: Rolando 1 is being pulled because the new game will probably include the levels of the original remade for the new interface. How did I get this idea, you may ask? It's simple. Look at the first gameplay video from the "Majestic Shores". At the very start you see the ship leaving Rolando Land, where there appears to be levels. What would be the point of making it appear that there were levels if they weren't in the new game?... you see where I am going with this =]

    • 5duc29

      Then why would they want us to buy the first, or for people like who hasn't gotten the game yet before its release to buy it (which I am deciding right now)? If it is included then they make about $16-$20 out of people like me deciding on the game...

      • 5duc29

        If I plan on getting the first for six bucks and liking it, then get the second game (which you say could have the levels from the first)...

      • http://slidetoplay.com STP_Tim

        Well, it is a possibility that you must have the previous game on your phone in order to unlock the old content in the new game. That, and we have to remember that ngmoco is a business so they need to find ways to make money.

        Anyway, just go buy it! One of the best games on the iPhone.

      • 5duc29

        I know it's great. Played the lite version and loved it but maybe there will be a sale a day before being pulled. I think I will wait... I do want it.

        And you could be right about the game transferring over to the second..

      • Radchad1

        Tim, I agree that it might be a possibility that it may include one. That would make a lot of people pissed at ngmoco for telling them to get the first when it's already included in the second. That would be another bad maketing move on their part

      • Zincous

        Maybe they offer the whole at for a low price and include all rolando one levels for a buck or two. And then offer all Rolando two levels as an in-app purchase?

        So people get rolando one al for cheap and if they like it they can upgrade and pay some more for the rest of the series. Obviously everyone with rolando 1 already will just immediately upgrade to rolando two and pay original price and ugrade price which would add up to maybe $9.99 like they game would have originally shipped out anyway.

        This way, now everyone only needs one app on their device instead of both rolando and rolando 2.

        Just a though :)

      • http://slidetoplay.com STP_Tim

        Zinc, that sounds like a good idea, although I think it would be the other way around (you get Rolando 2 and then can pay a bit of extra money for the original Rolando levels in the new format or transfer them over from the old app if you already own it).

      • jared

        actually if you watch the last video on the website the guy whos talking says the levels in rolandoland are tutorial levels.

    • Jenz

      It's not the levels from the first game because in the video released on june 26 he says that the levels where the boat starts (Rolando Land) are just tutorials =)

    • Josh

      @STP_Tim
      This thought actually did enter my mind, but went away pretty quickly when I read the forums because I saw nobody with the same opinion :D Even though I have the original, it would be cool to play the original levels with the updated graphics engine in Rolando 2! And I'm sure it's easy to pull off because the recoding must be a simple process. Cross your fingers!

    • RoandoDude

      Dude! He says in thats video of "Majestic Shores" thats its a tutorial when the boat leaves Rolando land! Retard!

  • TomHandy

    The only reason I could see to remove it entirely would be if they were planning on something like moving all the levels/etc. from Rolando 1 to Rolando 2..... but if that were the case, not sure why they would warn people to download Rolando 1 while they still can.

    I'm not sure what "making room" for Rolando 2 means.... although I noticed that Topple 2 similarly seems to be alone, with Topple having been removed too.

    Not really clear on what the point is.

  • Radchad1

    The news about Rolando being pulled from the appstore to make room has to be one of the worst marketing strategies in the history of video gaming. I've had Rolando since the first day it was released and it's a really great game. You would think with Apple having sold 1 million new iphone 3GS this past weekend in the states, that you would want to market Rolando to all the new Apple customers. No. You instead don't lower the price you pull the game from the appstore. That makes no sense whatsoever. How are you going to market Rolando 2 to new customers that haven't played the first one and won't have the chance? Did you marketers think about this before they came-up with idea of pulling the first Rolando? Come on Ngmoco don't be that stupid. Lower the price of the first to people that don't have the first and you might get another purchase from them on the second game.

    • redking31591

      wow dejavu I swear I read the exact same thing a few minutes ago in the forum :)

      • Radchad1

        You did just wanted to get my point across if ngmoco is on the forums.

      • redking31591

        I know it was just weird when I started reading it. trust me I think pulling a great game such a Rolando is stupid. It's very different from the sequel and I personally would buy them both If I already didn't own Rolando. I every game studio pulled the original when the sequel came out they would go broke. I think it should stay because Rolando is a wonderful iPhone game and the sequel is shaping up to be the same.

    • Jim

      It will come back and people will want it more than ever. Stunt rise, stunt set.

      • moush

        Won't matter, it's still a bad move.

  • http://slidetoplay.com STP_Tim

    My Conspiracy theory: Rolando 1 is being pulled because the new game will probably include the levels of the original remade for the new interface. How did I get this idea, you may ask? It's simple. Look at the first gameplay video from the "Majestic Shores". At the very start you see the ship leaving Rolando Land, where there appears to be levels. What would be the point of making it appear that there were levels if they weren't in the new game?... you see where I am going with this =]

    • 5duc29

      Then why would they want us to buy the first, or for people like who hasn't gotten the game yet before its release to buy it (which I am deciding right now)? If it is included then they make about $16-$20 out of people like me deciding on the game...

      • 5duc29

        If I plan on getting the first for six bucks and liking it, then get the second game (which you say could have the levels from the first)...

      • http://slidetoplay.com STP_Tim

        Well, it is a possibility that you must have the previous game on your phone in order to unlock the old content in the new game. That, and we have to remember that ngmoco is a business so they need to find ways to make money.

        Anyway, just go buy it! One of the best games on the iPhone.

      • 5duc29

        I know it's great. Played the lite version and loved it but maybe there will be a sale a day before being pulled. I think I will wait... I do want it.

        And you could be right about the game transferring over to the second..

      • Radchad1

        Tim, I agree that it might be a possibility that it may include one. That would make a lot of people pissed at ngmoco for telling them to get the first when it's already included in the second. That would be another bad maketing move on their part

      • Zincous

        Maybe they offer the whole at for a low price and include all rolando one levels for a buck or two. And then offer all Rolando two levels as an in-app purchase?

        So people get rolando one al for cheap and if they like it they can upgrade and pay some more for the rest of the series. Obviously everyone with rolando 1 already will just immediately upgrade to rolando two and pay original price and ugrade price which would add up to maybe $9.99 like they game would have originally shipped out anyway.

        This way, now everyone only needs one app on their device instead of both rolando and rolando 2.

        Just a though :)

      • http://slidetoplay.com STP_Tim

        Zinc, that sounds like a good idea, although I think it would be the other way around (you get Rolando 2 and then can pay a bit of extra money for the original Rolando levels in the new format or transfer them over from the old app if you already own it).

      • jared

        actually if you watch the last video on the website the guy whos talking says the levels in rolandoland are tutorial levels.

    • Jenz

      It's not the levels from the first game because in the video released on june 26 he says that the levels where the boat starts (Rolando Land) are just tutorials =)

    • Josh

      @STP_Tim
      This thought actually did enter my mind, but went away pretty quickly when I read the forums because I saw nobody with the same opinion :D Even though I have the original, it would be cool to play the original levels with the updated graphics engine in Rolando 2! And I'm sure it's easy to pull off because the recoding must be a simple process. Cross your fingers!

    • RoandoDude

      Dude! He says in thats video of "Majestic Shores" thats its a tutorial when the boat leaves Rolando land! Retard!

  • TomHandy

    The only reason I could see to remove it entirely would be if they were planning on something like moving all the levels/etc. from Rolando 1 to Rolando 2..... but if that were the case, not sure why they would warn people to download Rolando 1 while they still can.

    I'm not sure what "making room" for Rolando 2 means.... although I noticed that Topple 2 similarly seems to be alone, with Topple having been removed too.

    Not really clear on what the point is.

  • Strangelove

    Just finished the first one so am looking forward to this.

    With regards to the removal I'd say that it's a good idea at grabbing more sales.

  • Strangelove

    Just finished the first one so am looking forward to this.

    With regards to the removal I'd say that it's a good idea at grabbing more sales.

  • munkee

    I know why: because Rolando 1 still looks too much like LocoRoco. Now that they have tried to make it look a bit more different, they want to completely erase any trace of where they stole the idea for their game.

    Once a rip-off, still a rip-off.

    • Czech dumplings

      or Gish for that matter :)

    • spiffyone

      Having both games, I don't understand the whole "rip off" remarks. The character design is similar, yes, as is the "tilt" mechanic, but, honestly, the two games are quite different. Rolando is much more puzzle oriented than Loco Roco.

      If the only resemblance is the circular character design and the tilt mechanic alongside the "fluidity" of the characters, then, like Czech dumpling stated, both are influenced by Gish. And Gish by a few other games of the sort. The basic idea is not a new one, and wasn't new when Loco Roco came out.

    • drunknbass

      this game is very similar to topple, and i think from 2007.. wonder if this was inspiration also ... hmmmm

      http://www.super-stacker.com/

  • http://deleted munkee

    I know why: because Rolando 1 still looks too much like LocoRoco. Now that they have tried to make it look a bit more different, they want to completely erase any trace of where they stole the idea for their game.

    Once a rip-off, still a rip-off.

    • Czech dumplings

      or Gish for that matter :)

    • spiffyone

      Having both games, I don't understand the whole "rip off" remarks. The character design is similar, yes, as is the "tilt" mechanic, but, honestly, the two games are quite different. Rolando is much more puzzle oriented than Loco Roco.

      If the only resemblance is the circular character design and the tilt mechanic alongside the "fluidity" of the characters, then, like Czech dumpling stated, both are influenced by Gish. And Gish by a few other games of the sort. The basic idea is not a new one, and wasn't new when Loco Roco came out.

    • drunknbass

      this game is very similar to topple, and i think from 2007.. wonder if this was inspiration also ... hmmmm

      http://www.super-stacker.com/

  • Loner

    Kind of pissed since they didnt finish adding all the secret levels

    • redking31591

      I asked them this very question on their twitter page. their usually pretty good about answer twitter questions so hopefully I can get an answer about the secret levels. I would suck for them not to finish them. I'll post their answer on the forums if they answer me.

  • Loner

    Kind of pissed since they didnt finish adding all the secret levels

    • redking31591

      I asked them this very question on their twitter page. their usually pretty good about answer twitter questions so hopefully I can get an answer about the secret levels. I would suck for them not to finish them. I'll post their answer on the forums if they answer me.

  • disappointed:(

    thanks alot ngmoco. i really love rolando on my friends ipods and when september comes and the new ipod touch is reveled it was to be the first app i bought. I'm disappointed in this marketing strategy because all the new users will want to play the first so they ate all caught up before they commit to the sequel. all your ding is loosing money. you developed an awesome app and refuse to sell it? its pointless. i hope you realize your stupid mistake before its too late.

    • http://heiseheise.com Zach

      You can still buy Rolando right now on your own computer, with your own iTunes account...and then when you get your new iDevice, then you can upload it.

      Apple sure doesn't "prevent" you from downloading Apps if you don't have one of their systems ;) far from it.

      • dmbfan1192

        Yeah that's what I did. I had to leave the day I got my iPod in December for a month so I just bought the games I wanted beforehand and synced it when I got it.

  • disappointed:(

    thanks alot ngmoco. i really love rolando on my friends ipods and when september comes and the new ipod touch is reveled it was to be the first app i bought. I'm disappointed in this marketing strategy because all the new users will want to play the first so they ate all caught up before they commit to the sequel. all your ding is loosing money. you developed an awesome app and refuse to sell it? its pointless. i hope you realize your stupid mistake before its too late.

    • http://heiseheise.com Zach

      You can still buy Rolando right now on your own computer, with your own iTunes account...and then when you get your new iDevice, then you can upload it.

      Apple sure doesn't "prevent" you from downloading Apps if you don't have one of their systems ;) far from it.

      • dmbfan1192

        Yeah that's what I did. I had to leave the day I got my iPod in December for a month so I just bought the games I wanted beforehand and synced it when I got it.

  • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=168 VeganTnT

    First They remove Topple because of Topple 2 getting attention at WWDC now they are removing Rolando?

    I think it's a pretty shit move on their part. What happens if something happens to the copy on your pc/mac? If it wasn't on your device at the time than you are completely out of luck.

    I'm liking ngmoco less and less. Their games are overhyped and always seem to underdeliver

    I'm just going to avoid their games from now on, there are plenty of other games on the appstore

    • Czech dumplings

      smart people back up the precious stuff...

      • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=168 VeganTnT

        hmm, very true. I have a few backed up but only cause they were removed from the appstore (tris, netshare, etc.)

        I just feel bad for all those that don't back up and will be caught completely off guard

      • Marc

        This is a pretty lame move. If a future firmware does break the game I wonder if they bother to fix it? Most companies do eventually discontinue support for a game, but Rolando hasn't even been out for a year.

  • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=168 VeganTnT

    First They remove Topple because of Topple 2 getting attention at WWDC now they are removing Rolando?

    I think it's a pretty shit move on their part. What happens if something happens to the copy on your pc/mac? If it wasn't on your device at the time than you are completely out of luck.

    I'm liking ngmoco less and less. Their games are overhyped and always seem to underdeliver

    I'm just going to avoid their games from now on, there are plenty of other games on the appstore

    • Czech dumplings

      smart people back up the precious stuff...

      • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=168 VeganTnT

        hmm, very true. I have a few backed up but only cause they were removed from the appstore (tris, netshare, etc.)

        I just feel bad for all those that don't back up and will be caught completely off guard

      • Marc

        This is a pretty lame move. If a future firmware does break the game I wonder if they bother to fix it? Most companies do eventually discontinue support for a game, but Rolando hasn't even been out for a year.

  • Mandi

    Well I'm happy this is coming out on my birthday! I love Rolando, and this is an instant buy for me. But I'm in agreement that removing Rolando 1 is a crap move. What, they are just going to pull support for previous products whenever a sequel is released? I'm very disappointed by the apparent money-grabbing business strategies that ngmoco seems to be using. Until Star Defense I had bought every one of their games. Now I'm a little more careful...

  • Mandi

    Well I'm happy this is coming out on my birthday! I love Rolando, and this is an instant buy for me. But I'm in agreement that removing Rolando 1 is a crap move. What, they are just going to pull support for previous products whenever a sequel is released? I'm very disappointed by the apparent money-grabbing business strategies that ngmoco seems to be using. Until Star Defense I had bought every one of their games. Now I'm a little more careful...

  • Darwiniandude

    I bought Rolando day one, full price, and love it.

    I can understand them failing to update ad support it as time progresses maybe, but removing it?

    This proves that jail breaking/cracking/pirating apps is a good idea. Stupid Ngmoco.

    And I say this as someone who has never put a single cracked app on his iPhone.

    Just leave V1 on the store, damn it!!

  • Darwiniandude

    I bought Rolando day one, full price, and love it.

    I can understand them failing to update ad support it as time progresses maybe, but removing it?

    This proves that jail breaking/cracking/pirating apps is a good idea. Stupid Ngmoco.

    And I say this as someone who has never put a single cracked app on his iPhone.

    Just leave V1 on the store, damn it!!

  • Loner

    I feel that Rolando is the best game published by Ngmoco so far. I wonder if the game developers/publishers are now being charged by Apple for keeping their older games on iTunes?

  • Loner

    I feel that Rolando is the best game published by Ngmoco so far. I wonder if the game developers/publishers are now being charged by Apple for keeping their older games on iTunes?

  • IBITF

    No, No, No. Rolando will NOT go in number 2. Why? Two things: Look at the last walk through: He said they were tuturial levels. Plus, Simon Oliver is just a guy. He isn't remaking every original level. The reason: Topple 2 didn't do so hot because people would download one instead. To avoid that with Rolando they pulled it and will most likely supply a lite for número dos. Even if they cut the price it would still hurt number twos sales.
    Prediction: After initial wave Rolando comes back with Plus inter gration allowing for sharing between one and two.
    Anyway, looking forward to the seconds release.

    • Gipsy Ork

      topple was free; that could hurt the sales of v2, but rolando1 ain't $0

      • dmbfan1192

        No, but it is $4 cheaper and that is a significant amount in the Appstore. I think that it is a smart move. However, what would have been smarter is to instead announce that when Rolando 2 comes out, the price of Rolando 1 will be raised back to $10. They would get their impulse sales before Rolando 2 comes out and they wouldn't have to worry about the games competing. Even when they lower the price of Rolando 2, they could keep Rolando 1 at $10 which would further increase the total revenue. Please correct me if I am missing something, but this seems like an excellent strategy.

        Michael

  • IBITF

    No, No, No. Rolando will NOT go in number 2. Why? Two things: Look at the last walk through: He said they were tuturial levels. Plus, Simon Oliver is just a guy. He isn't remaking every original level. The reason: Topple 2 didn't do so hot because people would download one instead. To avoid that with Rolando they pulled it and will most likely supply a lite for número dos. Even if they cut the price it would still hurt number twos sales.
    Prediction: After initial wave Rolando comes back with Plus inter gration allowing for sharing between one and two.
    Anyway, looking forward to the seconds release.

    • Gipsy Ork

      topple was free; that could hurt the sales of v2, but rolando1 ain't $0

      • dmbfan1192

        No, but it is $4 cheaper and that is a significant amount in the Appstore. I think that it is a smart move. However, what would have been smarter is to instead announce that when Rolando 2 comes out, the price of Rolando 1 will be raised back to $10. They would get their impulse sales before Rolando 2 comes out and they wouldn't have to worry about the games competing. Even when they lower the price of Rolando 2, they could keep Rolando 1 at $10 which would further increase the total revenue. Please correct me if I am missing something, but this seems like an excellent strategy.

        Michael

  • sekazi

    This is what is going to piss me off with Apple. Once a App is on iTunes you should not be able to remove it. This is complete bullshit because if I happen to loose me copy of a game I have no way of getting it back so that is money down the drain.

    I REFUSE TO BUY THIS GAME. THEY ALREADY DID THIS WITH TOPPLE!!!

    • Jehova

      instead of whining, why don't you backup your IPAs??

  • sekazi

    This is what is going to piss me off with Apple. Once a App is on iTunes you should not be able to remove it. This is complete bullshit because if I happen to loose me copy of a game I have no way of getting it back so that is money down the drain.

    I REFUSE TO BUY THIS GAME. THEY ALREADY DID THIS WITH TOPPLE!!!

    • Jehova

      instead of whining, why don't you backup your IPAs??

  • Mandi

    Another thing... pulling the game means pulling support for the game. What happens when iPhone OS 3.1 comes out and Rolando 1's sound gets messed up or it starts crashing? I just have a $10 broken game? Rolando 1 just came out 6 months ago. ngmoco's lack of support for their products means Ill be buying more products from Chillingo.

    • Marc

      Exactly what I thought. Pulling Rolando is a dick move, and I won't be buying another NGMoco game if they can't even support their games for a year. Pathetic.

  • Mandi

    Another thing... pulling the game means pulling support for the game. What happens when iPhone OS 3.1 comes out and Rolando 1's sound gets messed up or it starts crashing? I just have a $10 broken game? Rolando 1 just came out 6 months ago. ngmoco's lack of support for their products means Ill be buying more products from Chillingo.

    • Marc

      Exactly what I thought. Pulling Rolando is a dick move, and I won't be buying another NGMoco game if they can't even support their games for a year. Pathetic.

  • danny

    maybe they don't want new iPhone users to find out how terrible the game really is

  • danny

    maybe they don't want new iPhone users to find out how terrible the game really is

  • Josh

    I think everyone is freaking out a LITTLE bit much over this.

    You buy a game for PC or 360 or something, the sequel comes out. Is the original on the shelves still? Rarely. I can't find Halo 2 on a shelf, I can often not even find 3.

    Now I realize, there is a bit of an issue with losing your copy of the game, and not being able to redownload. That DOES stink. But I kinda like their attempts to keep their catalog fresh. If they can find a way around the problems being stated, I think it makes sense.

    • dmbfan1192

      It doesn't make sense because when future versions of the 3rd firmware may break the game and if they don't, then 4.0 definitely will. This may be a reason for me to not upgrade to 4.0 next year. I'll have Rolando 1, 2, and 3 and they will all be dead games after the update. Check my above reply to see what I believe is a better solution.

    • sekazi

      The whole point is you do not own your game you purchased. Digital distribution just means they give you the right to use the game and they can pull it anytime they want. This is the major peeve I have about DD because when they dont care no more they just drop the game and it will be impossible for it to be a collectors item like games back in the day and that if the service fails you loose every penny you spent on it.

      • spiffyone

        Well, to be fair, when you buy a game at the store you don't actually own the game itself (by which I mean the data on the disc); you own that unique physical disc on which a copy of the game is stored, but if you mess up the disc, guess what? Gotta go buy it again.

        Back ups can be made, perhaps, but one can do the same with digital distribution software. Of course, in neither case (physical copy or digital copy) is such a right implicitly granted to the consumer.

  • Josh

    I think everyone is freaking out a LITTLE bit much over this.

    You buy a game for PC or 360 or something, the sequel comes out. Is the original on the shelves still? Rarely. I can't find Halo 2 on a shelf, I can often not even find 3.

    Now I realize, there is a bit of an issue with losing your copy of the game, and not being able to redownload. That DOES stink. But I kinda like their attempts to keep their catalog fresh. If they can find a way around the problems being stated, I think it makes sense.

    • dmbfan1192

      It doesn't make sense because when future versions of the 3rd firmware may break the game and if they don't, then 4.0 definitely will. This may be a reason for me to not upgrade to 4.0 next year. I'll have Rolando 1, 2, and 3 and they will all be dead games after the update. Check my above reply to see what I believe is a better solution.

    • sekazi

      The whole point is you do not own your game you purchased. Digital distribution just means they give you the right to use the game and they can pull it anytime they want. This is the major peeve I have about DD because when they dont care no more they just drop the game and it will be impossible for it to be a collectors item like games back in the day and that if the service fails you loose every penny you spent on it.

      • spiffyone

        Well, to be fair, when you buy a game at the store you don't actually own the game itself (by which I mean the data on the disc); you own that unique physical disc on which a copy of the game is stored, but if you mess up the disc, guess what? Gotta go buy it again.

        Back ups can be made, perhaps, but one can do the same with digital distribution software. Of course, in neither case (physical copy or digital copy) is such a right implicitly granted to the consumer.

  • http://germany-today.co.uk Sam

    can we assume there is a sale coming then? Can someone give me hope on that :) I don't want to buy it then it to goto $.99 in a few hours!

  • http://germany-today.co.uk Sam

    can we assume there is a sale coming then? Can someone give me hope on that :) I don't want to buy it then it to goto $.99 in a few hours!

  • rich_952000

    NGMOCO, if you remove Rolando from the store, know that you have lost a once loyal customer. I bought Rolando, Dropship, Topple, Topple 2 and Dr.Awesome under the pretense of knowing I can download them and play them at my own leisure. Now after you have my money you decide to change the original plan? This is bullshit and as a onetime supporter of these games and the company I will never again be as I see right through your shoddy business tactics. I will incessantly tell all who listen of such assinine decision making and DO NOT buy games from such a shit developing company who screws it's customers in such an unnecassary manner.

    Beware: buying games/apps from NGMOCO will result in a time sensitive, limited duration of play before the company, for utterly no reason, makes such games unavailable for download. Basically we, the consumer, are RENTING these games. Bullshit!

    • ASFx

      You aren't renting anything. Once you buy the game, it's yours forever. Nobody else is responsible for hosting the game for your entire life just in case you need to download it again 70 years from now. You need to treat itunes downloads just like you treated your old NES cartridges.

    • arn

      ya seriously. While I don't see the logic in pulling the original either, it seems people have gotten too used to the fact that you can redownload apps from the App Store.

      if you lose your songs, movies are tv shows from iTunes, there is no backup either.

      arn

      • rich_952000

        So, if I choose to release a game for a week, pull it then re-release it later under a more saleable name that's fair to the people who bought it the first time it was released? Rubbish. Of course NGMOCO will do as they please, but I can see this how I interpret it: unnesassary. Moronic. Screwing their customers. Maybe you Arn, and Neil Young don't have to labor for your money but I do and I refuse to use my hard earned cash to further a company that doesn't have their customers best interest in mind when making undereducated, guessconomic decisions.

      • dmbfan1192

        Yes that is true except the NES didn't have firmware updates every year that would require updating every game. Once 4.0 or possibly even 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc comes out, Rolando may REALLY be useless. I am not worried about losing Rolando because that would be my fault. I'm worried about it becoming broken in a firmware update. I can still play games on my SNES and when I lose them they are gone. However, they still do and always will work on my SNES. I am not expecting the companies to port me my games to every platform for free because I bought it once, but at least it they still work.

      • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=168 VeganTnT

        I kinda disagree on this one.

        Itunes does NOT allow you to redownload movies or music. Even if you deleted it by accident minutes after purchase. It's always been like that.

        The appstore has always allowed you to redownload. So YES things should be backed up and kept safe but most people won't. It's just how it is, some people back up data, others don't. But the benefit of the appstore was always that I can redownload anything I have previously bought.

        Does Ngmoco have the right to take a game off the appstore? Absolutely. But giving 4-5 days of notice in the middle of a thread on the TA forum? They are going to be leaving a LOT of people left unaware. It was forgivable when we were talking about Topple since it was so cheap. But a 6 dollar game that has been receiving so many updates recently? It just doesn't seem fair to the customers.

  • rich_952000

    NGMOCO, if you remove Rolando from the store, know that you have lost a once loyal customer. I bought Rolando, Dropship, Topple, Topple 2 and Dr.Awesome under the pretense of knowing I can download them and play them at my own leisure. Now after you have my money you decide to change the original plan? This is bullshit and as a onetime supporter of these games and the company I will never again be as I see right through your shoddy business tactics. I will incessantly tell all who listen of such assinine decision making and DO NOT buy games from such a shit developing company who screws it's customers in such an unnecassary manner.

    Beware: buying games/apps from NGMOCO will result in a time sensitive, limited duration of play before the company, for utterly no reason, makes such games unavailable for download. Basically we, the consumer, are RENTING these games. Bullshit!

    • ASFx

      You aren't renting anything. Once you buy the game, it's yours forever. Nobody else is responsible for hosting the game for your entire life just in case you need to download it again 70 years from now. You need to treat itunes downloads just like you treated your old NES cartridges.

    • arn

      ya seriously. While I don't see the logic in pulling the original either, it seems people have gotten too used to the fact that you can redownload apps from the App Store.

      if you lose your songs, movies are tv shows from iTunes, there is no backup either.

      arn

      • rich_952000

        So, if I choose to release a game for a week, pull it then re-release it later under a more saleable name that's fair to the people who bought it the first time it was released? Rubbish. Of course NGMOCO will do as they please, but I can see this how I interpret it: unnesassary. Moronic. Screwing their customers. Maybe you Arn, and Neil Young don't have to labor for your money but I do and I refuse to use my hard earned cash to further a company that doesn't have their customers best interest in mind when making undereducated, guessconomic decisions.

      • dmbfan1192

        Yes that is true except the NES didn't have firmware updates every year that would require updating every game. Once 4.0 or possibly even 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc comes out, Rolando may REALLY be useless. I am not worried about losing Rolando because that would be my fault. I'm worried about it becoming broken in a firmware update. I can still play games on my SNES and when I lose them they are gone. However, they still do and always will work on my SNES. I am not expecting the companies to port me my games to every platform for free because I bought it once, but at least it they still work.

      • http://forums.toucharcade.com/member.php?u=168 VeganTnT

        I kinda disagree on this one.

        Itunes does NOT allow you to redownload movies or music. Even if you deleted it by accident minutes after purchase. It's always been like that.

        The appstore has always allowed you to redownload. So YES things should be backed up and kept safe but most people won't. It's just how it is, some people back up data, others don't. But the benefit of the appstore was always that I can redownload anything I have previously bought.

        Does Ngmoco have the right to take a game off the appstore? Absolutely. But giving 4-5 days of notice in the middle of a thread on the TA forum? They are going to be leaving a LOT of people left unaware. It was forgivable when we were talking about Topple since it was so cheap. But a 6 dollar game that has been receiving so many updates recently? It just doesn't seem fair to the customers.

  • Shadowsfall

    I think the reason Ngmoco is doing this is because they can make more money, everyone will want to buy ronaldo before it goes off, THEN!! Once ronaldo is gone, they have ronaldo 2, which makes more people purchase ronaldo 2, it will cost more (people don't want to pay MORE for ronaldo), there will be new levels, and then they will make us pay EVEN MORE!! for level updates and new purchases for more levels and etc.. I think Ngmoco is trying to scam us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (u cannot have enough exclimation marks!)

    • http://www.shanenassiri.com Shane

      Lol, ronaldo. Heh :P

    • Monkeys37

      Dude, Ronaldo's on Real Madrid now.

      • alas24

        freaking halarious!!!! RONALDO

  • Shadowsfall

    I think the reason Ngmoco is doing this is because they can make more money, everyone will want to buy ronaldo before it goes off, THEN!! Once ronaldo is gone, they have ronaldo 2, which makes more people purchase ronaldo 2, it will cost more (people don't want to pay MORE for ronaldo), there will be new levels, and then they will make us pay EVEN MORE!! for level updates and new purchases for more levels and etc.. I think Ngmoco is trying to scam us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (u cannot have enough exclimation marks!)

    • http://www.shanenassiri.com Shane

      Lol, ronaldo. Heh :P

    • Monkeys37

      Dude, Ronaldo's on Real Madrid now.

      • alas24

        freaking halarious!!!! RONALDO

  • http://www.sleekgames.net psionic

    I for one welcome this change of pace.

    Far too long has the app store been driving to $0.99 sales. It doesn't really support the environment whatsoever.

    Every large company that does it makes the independents more and more hesitant to develop for the platform, which in turn decreases the amount of cool stuff, which in turn makes people less interested in the platform.

    This at least has the developers being honest about *their* needs (ie buy our new product which costs $$$$$$$$ to make, instead of our old one at really, really dumb discounts).

    Consider, if the developers of the current $0.99 app had their sequel out at $9.99. How many people would buy the new one first, instead of playing the five month waiting game for a price drop which they see as inevitable?

    Ngmoco already made this mistake w/ topple (though it wasn't truly a mistake as it got their name out there when the app store was still new, cementing the 'brand')

    What they're doing is keeping the value of their products high and doing a very good job at resisting the "why isn't it $0.99" people, even as a few people in this forum are vocalizing that they'll wait until the very end (probably not ending up buying it) to get this incredible "bargain".

    Good on Ngmoco for avoiding this behaviour, it makes the app store a better environment overall.

    That all being said, the only alternative after it's off the store is to pirate a copy, which is something that is seriously not going to help their cause.
    Yes, you can back it up on media, but when else in the history of material goods has a total backup failure (fire, flood) made it *impossible*, literally, to get a copy again. Never. With CD's you could always buy another copy of that CD if you lost all of your own.

    Perhaps I'm making too much of the product and it's not really that precious, but I think Ngmoco should be doing a heck of a lot more to sustain their final version apps than relegating them to pirates dens (where people of course will learn just how easy it is to pirate those, or any newer, app). This will severely hurt their bottom line eventually and make the ecology of the app store that much worse off.

    My suggestion? Keep it on the store and increase the price to $29.99. Everyone that has it can keep it, anyone who hasn't updated it yet can do so, anyone that looses all their backups can get it back for free, and anyone who *really really* wants to experience this, can. Easy :)

    Chris.

    • sekazi

      why not keep it the same price? It will be the same price as Rolando 2 so there should be no dispute which they will buy? If people first play Rolando 2 and like it they may go back and buy Rolando for the same price.

      I pretty much did this with Topple. I purchased Topple and when Topple 2 came out I purchased that one. They kind of killed themselves by making it free but they should have released it as the same price as Topple 2 so there would be no harm done.

      The description clearly states what the difference is between the two and in the original Topple description they could mention Topple 2. What they did was use Topple as a advertisement for Topple 2 which I find quite annoying but what was great is they introduced a new mode which is not in Topple 2 so everyone who bought Topple 2 is missing out on the new mode that will probably never see the light of day again.

  • http://www.sleekgames.net psionic

    I for one welcome this change of pace.

    Far too long has the app store been driving to $0.99 sales. It doesn't really support the environment whatsoever.

    Every large company that does it makes the independents more and more hesitant to develop for the platform, which in turn decreases the amount of cool stuff, which in turn makes people less interested in the platform.

    This at least has the developers being honest about *their* needs (ie buy our new product which costs $$$$$$$$ to make, instead of our old one at really, really dumb discounts).

    Consider, if the developers of the current $0.99 app had their sequel out at $9.99. How many people would buy the new one first, instead of playing the five month waiting game for a price drop which they see as inevitable?

    Ngmoco already made this mistake w/ topple (though it wasn't truly a mistake as it got their name out there when the app store was still new, cementing the 'brand')

    What they're doing is keeping the value of their products high and doing a very good job at resisting the "why isn't it $0.99" people, even as a few people in this forum are vocalizing that they'll wait until the very end (probably not ending up buying it) to get this incredible "bargain".

    Good on Ngmoco for avoiding this behaviour, it makes the app store a better environment overall.

    That all being said, the only alternative after it's off the store is to pirate a copy, which is something that is seriously not going to help their cause.
    Yes, you can back it up on media, but when else in the history of material goods has a total backup failure (fire, flood) made it *impossible*, literally, to get a copy again. Never. With CD's you could always buy another copy of that CD if you lost all of your own.

    Perhaps I'm making too much of the product and it's not really that precious, but I think Ngmoco should be doing a heck of a lot more to sustain their final version apps than relegating them to pirates dens (where people of course will learn just how easy it is to pirate those, or any newer, app). This will severely hurt their bottom line eventually and make the ecology of the app store that much worse off.

    My suggestion? Keep it on the store and increase the price to $29.99. Everyone that has it can keep it, anyone who hasn't updated it yet can do so, anyone that looses all their backups can get it back for free, and anyone who *really really* wants to experience this, can. Easy :)

    Chris.

    • sekazi

      why not keep it the same price? It will be the same price as Rolando 2 so there should be no dispute which they will buy? If people first play Rolando 2 and like it they may go back and buy Rolando for the same price.

      I pretty much did this with Topple. I purchased Topple and when Topple 2 came out I purchased that one. They kind of killed themselves by making it free but they should have released it as the same price as Topple 2 so there would be no harm done.

      The description clearly states what the difference is between the two and in the original Topple description they could mention Topple 2. What they did was use Topple as a advertisement for Topple 2 which I find quite annoying but what was great is they introduced a new mode which is not in Topple 2 so everyone who bought Topple 2 is missing out on the new mode that will probably never see the light of day again.

  • dmbfan1192

    They are not going to charge more for a game that you already bought unless they updated Rolando 1 with the new graphics. However, this is my solution to the fact that people would choose to get Rolando 1 for $6 rather than Rolando 2 for $10 (quoted from an earlier post):

    "However, what would have been smarter is to instead announce that when Rolando 2 comes out, the price of Rolando 1 will be raised back to $10. They would get their impulse sales before Rolando 2 comes out and they wouldn't have to worry about the games competing. Even when they lower the price of Rolando 2, they could keep Rolando 1 at $10 which would further increase the total revenue. Please correct me if I am missing something, but this seems like an excellent strategy."

    This would also work when Rolando 3 comes out.

  • dmbfan1192

    They are not going to charge more for a game that you already bought unless they updated Rolando 1 with the new graphics. However, this is my solution to the fact that people would choose to get Rolando 1 for $6 rather than Rolando 2 for $10 (quoted from an earlier post):

    "However, what would have been smarter is to instead announce that when Rolando 2 comes out, the price of Rolando 1 will be raised back to $10. They would get their impulse sales before Rolando 2 comes out and they wouldn\'t have to worry about the games competing. Even when they lower the price of Rolando 2, they could keep Rolando 1 at $10 which would further increase the total revenue. Please correct me if I am missing something, but this seems like an excellent strategy."

    This would also work when Rolando 3 comes out.

  • Skip

    I don't like this move. I'm reasonably keen to get both games (recently played the demo of 1) but to effectively force a user who is sitting on the fence (me!) to get the game.... I just don't get it.

    What concerns me more is if an OS update breaks the game, there'll be no way to play it due to their lack of support.

    Whilst a company has every right to remove an app and doesn't have to support the game past a certain point, as one of the iPhone's better and more prominent developers/marketers, I wouldn't have thought this would a logical or necessary move.

    -1 ngmoco.

  • Skip

    I don't like this move. I'm reasonably keen to get both games (recently played the demo of 1) but to effectively force a user who is sitting on the fence (me!) to get the game.... I just don't get it.

    What concerns me more is if an OS update breaks the game, there'll be no way to play it due to their lack of support.

    Whilst a company has every right to remove an app and doesn't have to support the game past a certain point, as one of the iPhone's better and more prominent developers/marketers, I wouldn't have thought this would a logical or necessary move.

    -1 ngmoco.

  • Alza

    I think it must be that ngmoco plan to sell rolando's levels in rolando 2 as microtransactions. That would be the only logical reason I can think of.

    • http://www.yourpersonalrobot.com your personal robot

      Then they should name the one app just Rolando, or Uber-Rolando :)

      • Alza

        Yeah I agree. But then I suppose they wouldn't get the marketing bonus that a sequel provides. Maybe, if my theory about microtransactions is correct, they'll eventually take that path. Super Rolando All Stars?

  • Alza

    I think it must be that ngmoco plan to sell rolando's levels in rolando 2 as microtransactions. That would be the only logical reason I can think of.

    • http://www.yourpersonalrobot.com your personal robot

      Then they should name the one app just Rolando, or Uber-Rolando :)

      • Alza

        Yeah I agree. But then I suppose they wouldn't get the marketing bonus that a sequel provides. Maybe, if my theory about microtransactions is correct, they'll eventually take that path. Super Rolando All Stars?

  • http://www.mobstarentertainment.com mek

    wow...just wow...

    pulling #1 just sounds like a marketing stunt, limiting its supply to drive up demand...a shady one at that...
    it creates a big trust issue though
    i dont know if i want to buy a game that the company is constantly discontinuing products after 6 months for no logical reason
    i bought the original for 10 bucks, based on all the hype, didn't even get passed level four i really didn't like the game, and learned my lesson on the overhyping

    but using controversy to sell more games?

  • http://www.mobstarentertainment.com mek

    wow...just wow...

    pulling #1 just sounds like a marketing stunt, limiting its supply to drive up demand...a shady one at that...
    it creates a big trust issue though
    i dont know if i want to buy a game that the company is constantly discontinuing products after 6 months for no logical reason
    i bought the original for 10 bucks, based on all the hype, didn't even get passed level four i really didn't like the game, and learned my lesson on the overhyping

    but using controversy to sell more games?

  • a_developer

    Is this date final?

    If so how ngmoco knows that?

    Many of us are awaiting days and days, withouth knowing when Apple approves out game ... and ngmoco knows this?

    Wierd

    • arn

      any developer can set a release date. You just have to first wait until it's approved and set the released date later.

      arn

      • a_developer

        arn,

        From itunes connect

        "The "Released" date is currently determined by the date of the app's approval by Apple and the date that the developer has listed for the app's availability within iTunes Connect, whichever is earlier."

        So you only have to bet, cause if Apple approves before you expected date this will be the release date.

      • arn

        See this thread for details

        http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=14136

        there are some disavantages with delaying the release.
        arn

  • a_developer

    Is this date final?

    If so how ngmoco knows that?

    Many of us are awaiting days and days, withouth knowing when Apple approves out game ... and ngmoco knows this?

    Wierd

    • arn

      any developer can set a release date. You just have to first wait until it's approved and set the released date later.

      arn

      • a_developer

        arn,

        From itunes connect

        "The "Released" date is currently determined by the date of the app's approval by Apple and the date that the developer has listed for the app's availability within iTunes Connect, whichever is earlier."

        So you only have to bet, cause if Apple approves before you expected date this will be the release date.

      • arn

        See this thread for details

        http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?t=14136

        there are some disavantages with delaying the release.
        arn

  • Darth Rolando

    I find NgMoco's lack of faith in the first game disturbing...

  • Darth Rolando

    I find NgMoco's lack of faith in the first game disturbing...

  • mat

    bad move by ngmoco?

    +1!

  • mat

    bad move by ngmoco?

    +1!

  • http://www.alex-hardy.co.uk Alex

    You'd think that one of the main advantages of a download store is that it eliminates scarcity. You can release new products alongside old ones without stock issues. Gamers can also buy old games without having to hunt for them and pay inflated prices on eBay.

    I don't expect Ngmoco to support Rolando forever, but pulling it while
    it can continue to sell is frankly stupid.

  • http://www.alex-hardy.co.uk Alex

    You'd think that one of the main advantages of a download store is that it eliminates scarcity. You can release new products alongside old ones without stock issues. Gamers can also buy old games without having to hunt for them and pay inflated prices on eBay.

    I don't expect Ngmoco to support Rolando forever, but pulling it while
    it can continue to sell is frankly stupid.

  • Steve D

    The only reason I haven't bought the game is because I tried the lite version. Really enjoyed it. Clicked the home button and my iphone crashed. I rebooted the phone, and 5 or 6 icons for different apps were incorrect. I had to delete them from the phone and itunes, and then redownload to get the proper icons back. I don't know what happeded, and whether it had any thing to do with the game. But it has put me off ever launching the app again or buying the full verion. It happened on the 3GS if anyone has any ideas about this, as the 3GS is my first iPhone.

  • Steve D

    The only reason I haven't bought the game is because I tried the lite version. Really enjoyed it. Clicked the home button and my iphone crashed. I rebooted the phone, and 5 or 6 icons for different apps were incorrect. I had to delete them from the phone and itunes, and then redownload to get the proper icons back. I don't know what happeded, and whether it had any thing to do with the game. But it has put me off ever launching the app again or buying the full verion. It happened on the 3GS if anyone has any ideas about this, as the 3GS is my first iPhone.

  • http://www.buzzabit.com/aaron Aaron Sullivan

    I can see some reasons for this, and some if it I like and some of it I don't.

    Certainly, ngmoco:) needs to explain the reasoning and reassure their current customers.

    I'll reserve judgement until it does.

  • http://www.buzzabit.com/aaron Aaron Sullivan

    I can see some reasons for this, and some if it I like and some of it I don't.

    Certainly, ngmoco:) needs to explain the reasoning and reassure their current customers.

    I'll reserve judgement until it does.

  • Kita

    I bought rolando at launch day for 10 bucks and was assuming I would be able to keep it forever. The backing up itunes games excuse isn't going to fly because Apple doesn't even show us how it's done and I'm not even sure if that would if itunes would authorize the games if we were to do that.

    I mostly buy 1 dollar games now because there seems to be this trend going on where the developer realizes that they can't make a decent profit on their game/app and stop supporting it altogether. This means that if they don't renew their developer fee next year then their app will be pulled from the app store which is not good.

    • Joe

      The whole backup arguement is a red herring and affect practically no one. People just like acting outraged over some small fringe case. If it bothers you that much you should take the moment it took you to co
      plain to just backup your iTunes library. And of course they still authorize. People are still using apps like Netshare that were pulled long ago.

      It may break with iPhone 4.0 but that's not likely coming for a year... So you have 18 months total at least.

    • arn

      There is a "backup" menu command in iTunes. More details here:

      http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1382

      arn

  • Kita

    I bought rolando at launch day for 10 bucks and was assuming I would be able to keep it forever. The backing up itunes games excuse isn't going to fly because Apple doesn't even show us how it's done and I'm not even sure if that would if itunes would authorize the games if we were to do that.

    I mostly buy 1 dollar games now because there seems to be this trend going on where the developer realizes that they can't make a decent profit on their game/app and stop supporting it altogether. This means that if they don't renew their developer fee next year then their app will be pulled from the app store which is not good.

    • Joe

      The whole backup arguement is a red herring and affect practically no one. People just like acting outraged over some small fringe case. If it bothers you that much you should take the moment it took you to co
      plain to just backup your iTunes library. And of course they still authorize. People are still using apps like Netshare that were pulled long ago.

      It may break with iPhone 4.0 but that's not likely coming for a year... So you have 18 months total at least.

    • arn

      There is a "backup" menu command in iTunes. More details here:

      http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1382

      arn

  • arn

    story updated with clarification from ngmoco.

  • arn

    story updated with clarification from ngmoco.

  • Rocketman919

    What a terrible update. They just told us what we already know. And what do they mean by "not discontinuing support, just discontinuing sales"? By doing one you effectively do the other. If it's still getting sales why pull it? They should set it to 99c, let it get to number 1, milk it for everything, then pull it and bring on the sequel. Scratch that, I still don't **** understand why they are pulling it. Dumb move ngmoco. You just lost a paying customer.

    • IBITF

      Not a good customer thats for sure.........................

      Hey, and I am sure they are sorry that they didn't know your telepathic and already knew that Rolando 1 might come back with plus.............

      • Rocketman919

        Ummmm.... What?

  • Rocketman919

    What a terrible update. They just told us what we already know. And what do they mean by "not discontinuing support, just discontinuing sales"? By doing one you effectively do the other. If it's still getting sales why pull it? They should set it to 99c, let it get to number 1, milk it for everything, then pull it and bring on the sequel. Scratch that, I still don't **** understand why they are pulling it. Dumb move ngmoco. You just lost a paying customer.

    • IBITF

      Not a good customer thats for sure.........................

      Hey, and I am sure they are sorry that they didn't know your telepathic and already knew that Rolando 1 might come back with plus.............

      • Rocketman919

        Ummmm.... What?

  • drunknbass

    i think a good solution is to raise the price of rolando to 999.99 lol.. at least people who already bought it could still re download it, and new people wont buy it because its so $$$.

    • Kita

      It's clear that people would rather buy the first rolando for a lower price if they just got an itouch, but I kind of wish apple had a better system with managing the app store. They are killing the portable gaming market though. Developers hate it but it's because their games are being underpriced to show up on the top 25 list :)

  • drunknbass

    i think a good solution is to raise the price of rolando to 999.99 lol.. at least people who already bought it could still re download it, and new people wont buy it because its so $$$.

    • Kita

      It's clear that people would rather buy the first rolando for a lower price if they just got an itouch, but I kind of wish apple had a better system with managing the app store. They are killing the portable gaming market though. Developers hate it but it's because their games are being underpriced to show up on the top 25 list :)

  • Darwiniandude

    drunknbass:

    Ignoring the fact they'd never do that, it's actually a really good idea.

    On a side note, maybe if Apple hadn't pulled "I am Rich" from the store, we would t have the $0.99c universe we do now.

  • Darwiniandude

    drunknbass:

    Ignoring the fact they'd never do that, it's actually a really good idea.

    On a side note, maybe if Apple hadn't pulled "I am Rich" from the store, we would t have the $0.99c universe we do now.

  • Twopossums

    This does seem like a weird move to me but I'm no marketing genius. I'm sure it will be back with an update. I will be pissed if I'm asked to pay for it again at that time.

    I'm curious as to how Dizzy Bee and Toy Bot have done when their sequels came out.

    • drunknbass

      if they pull it and then later resubmit another app later called rolando with an update after being pulled it will be a separate game, and youll have to buy it all over.. 99% sure about this.

      • arn

        I'm pretty sure this is not the case drunkenbass.

        The cases that it has been an issue is when app has changed publishers. Critter Crunch was pulled and then reappeared under a different developer and as a result had a different ID# in iTunes. So previous owners had no ability to upgrade without rebuying the app.

        If you simply "pull" and reinstate, I don't think it affects the ability for existing customers to get future updates.

        arn

      • Mandi

        Arn is correct. Edge got pulled and came back, I continued to get updates after that, no problem.

  • Twopossums

    This does seem like a weird move to me but I'm no marketing genius. I'm sure it will be back with an update. I will be pissed if I'm asked to pay for it again at that time.

    I'm curious as to how Dizzy Bee and Toy Bot have done when their sequels came out.

    • drunknbass

      if they pull it and then later resubmit another app later called rolando with an update after being pulled it will be a separate game, and youll have to buy it all over.. 99% sure about this.

      • arn

        I'm pretty sure this is not the case drunkenbass.

        The cases that it has been an issue is when app has changed publishers. Critter Crunch was pulled and then reappeared under a different developer and as a result had a different ID# in iTunes. So previous owners had no ability to upgrade without rebuying the app.

        If you simply "pull" and reinstate, I don't think it affects the ability for existing customers to get future updates.

        arn

      • Mandi

        Arn is correct. Edge got pulled and came back, I continued to get updates after that, no problem.

  • http://www.mattgillingham.com/software Gillygize

    Maybe ngmoco has found that having one app in the store at a time helps sales. Remember that apps have life cycles in their sales. There is a critical period when they will probably attain most of the sales they get. If you pull the first game from the store during this time, it may serve to bump the other game, possibly push it higher on the sales charts, which has the network effect of getting even more sales.

    It is also quite possible that they can then hype the "return" of Rolando to the store, plus extra features, and maybe give that app a sales bump as well. Pulling the app from the store doesn't make sense if sales are relatively steady. Since the App Store doesn't really seem to work that way, however, it is possible, perhaps paradoxically, that you may make more money by not offering your app for sale at all.

  • http://www.mattgillingham.com/software Gillygize

    Maybe ngmoco has found that having one app in the store at a time helps sales. Remember that apps have life cycles in their sales. There is a critical period when they will probably attain most of the sales they get. If you pull the first game from the store during this time, it may serve to bump the other game, possibly push it higher on the sales charts, which has the network effect of getting even more sales.

    It is also quite possible that they can then hype the "return" of Rolando to the store, plus extra features, and maybe give that app a sales bump as well. Pulling the app from the store doesn't make sense if sales are relatively steady. Since the App Store doesn't really seem to work that way, however, it is possible, perhaps paradoxically, that you may make more money by not offering your app for sale at all.

  • Monkeys37

    Huh? Who ever heard of an old version of a game taking the "spotlight" from its sequel?

  • Monkeys37

    Huh? Who ever heard of an old version of a game taking the "spotlight" from its sequel?

  • Gadm

    Guys, should I get Rolando?

  • Gadm

    Guys, should I get Rolando?

  • TKO

    Huh.. Removing the old game to 'make room' for the new one? I'm not a 5 year old guys. ..Jeeze. Digital distribution is supposed to prevent the need for this kinds crap. I don't need a lame-ass story to try to cover whatever the real reason is for this.

  • TKO

    Huh.. Removing the old game to 'make room' for the new one? I'm not a 5 year old guys. ..Jeeze. Digital distribution is supposed to prevent the need for this kinds crap. I don't need a lame-ass story to try to cover whatever the real reason is for this.

  • Bono

    Hi,

    My name is Bono. So what have I been up to? Well me, the Edge, & the rest of lads have been working on a brand new U2 album with Brian Eno. We love it. We're about to release it exclusively on iTunes and to 'make room for it' we've stopped selling all our previous albums.... but we'll still provide support for them

    .... Can anyone take NGMOCO seriously ever again--- I think the above example hi lights the steaming pile they are shoveling us here on this site!

    NGMOCO what a load of crap!!!!
    There I said it.

    It makes me want to punch an irish tree

    Bono

  • Bono

    Hi,

    My name is Bono. So what have I been up to? Well me, the Edge, & the rest of lads have been working on a brand new U2 album with Brian Eno. We love it. We're about to release it exclusively on iTunes and to 'make room for it' we've stopped selling all our previous albums.... but we'll still provide support for them

    .... Can anyone take NGMOCO seriously ever again--- I think the above example hi lights the steaming pile they are shoveling us here on this site!

    NGMOCO what a load of crap!!!!
    There I said it.

    It makes me want to punch an irish tree

    Bono

  • Mark

    2 July 2009

    Dear ngcomo,
    According to my iTunes receipt my daughter downloaded Rolando to her ipod touch on 27 June. She never got round to syncing it with our computer. Today one of her friends deleted all the apps from her device (they'd had an argument). I have downloaded all the other games she had but I can't find Rolando.
    I don't suppose it makes any difference but I am in the UK - is it in the US store?

    Can you tell me where I can download it please?

    Thanks.

  • Mark

    2 July 2009

    Dear ngcomo,
    According to my iTunes receipt my daughter downloaded Rolando to her ipod touch on 27 June. She never got round to syncing it with our computer. Today one of her friends deleted all the apps from her device (they'd had an argument). I have downloaded all the other games she had but I can't find Rolando.
    I don't suppose it makes any difference but I am in the UK - is it in the US store?

    Can you tell me where I can download it please?

    Thanks.

  • http://www.hbdia.com IzzyNobre

    Utter and complete bullshit.

    I for one will certainly boycott ngmoco's future offerings. This is nothing but a moneygrab stunt and it's disrespectful to the customer.

    • Henrique

      They are simply trying to avoid market cannibalism. If they keep Rolando 1 on the AppStore at half the price of Rolando 2, people will just continue buying #1 and wait for #2's price to drop.
      One possible strategy is to have a mega-sale and then remove it from the AppStore, another possible strategy is pricing Rolando 1 and 2 at the same price so people go for the newest entry in the series.
      I think they should lower the price of #1 for some time in order to study the market. If they see that Rolando 1 is, indeed, driving down the sales of Rolando 2, they should just take it out.
      Ngmoco is a company and, as one, needs to think about money or they risk going bankrupt. iPhone game development is a new business and risks can't be taken lightly.

  • http://www.hbdia.com IzzyNobre

    Utter and complete bullshit.

    I for one will certainly boycott ngmoco's future offerings. This is nothing but a moneygrab stunt and it's disrespectful to the customer.

    • Henrique

      They are simply trying to avoid market cannibalism. If they keep Rolando 1 on the AppStore at half the price of Rolando 2, people will just continue buying #1 and wait for #2's price to drop.
      One possible strategy is to have a mega-sale and then remove it from the AppStore, another possible strategy is pricing Rolando 1 and 2 at the same price so people go for the newest entry in the series.
      I think they should lower the price of #1 for some time in order to study the market. If they see that Rolando 1 is, indeed, driving down the sales of Rolando 2, they should just take it out.
      Ngmoco is a company and, as one, needs to think about money or they risk going bankrupt. iPhone game development is a new business and risks can't be taken lightly.

  • Bacaramac

    I don't care if they pull as I have never purchased a NGMOCO game, but this feels a lot like the Disney vault. For no reason Disney pulls movies and then re-releases them and make a killing. Works for them why not NGMOCO?? Oh well, NGMOCO vault anyone!! Man I love copy and paste, used it three times with NGMOCO's name. Sweet.

  • Bacaramac

    I don't care if they pull as I have never purchased a NGMOCO game, but this feels a lot like the Disney vault. For no reason Disney pulls movies and then re-releases them and make a killing. Works for them why not NGMOCO?? Oh well, NGMOCO vault anyone!! Man I love copy and paste, used it three times with NGMOCO's name. Sweet.

  • Ujn Hunter

    Dear NGMOCO, please discount Rolonda to $0.99 before pulling it from the App Store, so I can purchase it. ;)

  • Ujn Hunter

    Dear NGMOCO, please discount Rolonda to $0.99 before pulling it from the App Store, so I can purchase it. ;)

  • SteveJ

    Uh, what is "Plus+"?

  • SteveJ

    Uh, what is "Plus+"?

  • redking31591

    they just tweeted. Rolando stays and topple is coming back.

  • redking31591

    they just tweeted. Rolando stays and topple is coming back.

  • Adams Immersive

    Just have to say: I'm a Dr. Awesome fan. The controls feel just right. The most precise control I've felt from the accelerometer. (But you do have to hold the iPhone level.)

    An easy buy at .99.

  • Adams Immersive

    Just have to say: I'm a Dr. Awesome fan. The controls feel just right. The most precise control I've felt from the accelerometer. (But you do have to hold the iPhone level.)

    An easy buy at .99.

  • jack v

    It's July the first at half eight and the game STILL isn't in the app store. I thought I could download it this morning, but no, I still have to wait. How long? I don't know.

    And I was so looking forward to it as well :(

  • jack v

    It's July the first at half eight and the game STILL isn't in the app store. I thought I could download it this morning, but no, I still have to wait. How long? I don't know.

    And I was so looking forward to it as well :(

  • Dgall

    When will it finally come out it's now July 2nd 5pm and still no Rolando 2? (the Netherlands) aargh

  • Dgall

    When will it finally come out it's now July 2nd 5pm and still no Rolando 2? (the Netherlands) aargh