Comments on: The iPhone 3G S Has Arrived http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/ ... keeping in touch with the latest in iPhone gaming Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:20:16 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Fokion http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26541 Fokion Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:08:38 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26541 The DS is the least powerful handheld console on the market. That doesn't stop it from being far and away the most succesful. The DS is the least powerful handheld console on the market. That doesn't stop it from being far and away the most succesful.

]]> By: spiffyone http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26263 spiffyone Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:31:18 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26263 But the markets remain different any way you shake it sam. The fact is that, again, all consumers in the market for a PSP and DS are in the market to play games. Not all consumers for an iTouch/Phone are in the market to consume games. It's, again, akin to the PC market compared to the video game home console market. Slightly different market and different end user. But the markets remain different any way you shake it sam.

The fact is that, again, all consumers in the market for a PSP and DS are in the market to play games. Not all consumers for an iTouch/Phone are in the market to consume games. It's, again, akin to the PC market compared to the video game home console market. Slightly different market and different end user.

]]> By: spiffyone http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26262 spiffyone Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:29:42 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26262 I've read the two articles already, thank you very much. So has nearly everyone on this site, btw. It's nothing new. Now, however, go find me an article from a Nintendo and Sony rep stating that they view Apple's iTouch/Phone platform as a direct competitor. Go find me a market analysis breakdown from NPD, Media Create and other industry sales and trends analysis firms that directly compare portable game systems like DS and PSP to mobile platforms like iTouch/Phone, BREW, nGage, etc. Three different articles from pocketgamer.biz directly stating the iTouch/Phone platform's place in the mobile market (notice the comparisons with mobile operators, not Nintendo and Sony's game systems): http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/iPhone+news/feature.asp?c=13832 http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/iPhone+news/news.asp?c=13796 http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/iPhone+news/news.asp?c=13417 Here's another one for the NA region only: http://fingergaming.com/2009/06/10/report-iphone-sales-account-for-10-of-north-american-mobile-games-revenue/ Or, how about from Apple themselves? Cause, y'know, at their own friggin' keynote just a few scant days ago, they compared software sales on their mobile platform (iPhone and iPod touch) to...guess what? Android, Palm Pre, etc. and NOT to PSP or DS. Don't believe me? Go to this transcript: http://www.slashgear.com/apple-wwdc-2009-keynote-transcript-0846283/ 11:46 AM section. Enlightening, no? I've read the two articles already, thank you very much. So has nearly everyone on this site, btw. It's nothing new.

Now, however, go find me an article from a Nintendo and Sony rep stating that they view Apple's iTouch/Phone platform as a direct competitor. Go find me a market analysis breakdown from NPD, Media Create and other industry sales and trends analysis firms that directly compare portable game systems like DS and PSP to mobile platforms like iTouch/Phone, BREW, nGage, etc.

Three different articles from pocketgamer.biz directly stating the iTouch/Phone platform's place in the mobile market (notice the comparisons with mobile operators, not Nintendo and Sony's game systems):

http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/iPhone+news/feature.asp?c=13832
http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/iPhone+news/news.asp?c=13796
http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/iPhone+news/news.asp?c=13417

Here's another one for the NA region only:

http://fingergaming.com/2009/06/10/report-iphone-sales-account-for-10-of-north-american-mobile-games-revenue/

Or, how about from Apple themselves?

Cause, y'know, at their own friggin' keynote just a few scant days ago, they compared software sales on their mobile platform (iPhone and iPod touch) to…guess what? Android, Palm Pre, etc. and NOT to PSP or DS.

Don't believe me?

Go to this transcript:

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-wwdc-2009-keynote-transcript-0846283/

11:46 AM section. Enlightening, no?

]]> By: Speedie http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26251 Speedie Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:26:54 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26251 except that you'll have an awesome GPS, awesome portable console, and an awesome camera instead of a mediocre (at best) all-in-one. I actually own an iPhone but I'm definitely not giving up my PSP or DS any time soon for this thing. as soon as the best games stop having "tower defense" in their description, maybe I'll take a second look at it. until then, this is a *phone* with the ability to run objective-c apps. except that you'll have an awesome GPS, awesome portable console, and an awesome camera instead of a mediocre (at best) all-in-one.

I actually own an iPhone but I'm definitely not giving up my PSP or DS any time soon for this thing. as soon as the best games stop having "tower defense" in their description, maybe I'll take a second look at it. until then, this is a *phone* with the ability to run objective-c apps.

]]> By: peter http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26244 peter Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:35:12 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26244 does anyone know what the pricing range for Australia is? does anyone know what the pricing range for Australia is?

]]> By: Tower Defender http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26236 Tower Defender Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:43:01 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26236 Where was that pic taken? Those structures looks so familiar. Where was that pic taken? Those structures looks so familiar.

]]> By: Psionic http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26200 Psionic Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:57:09 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26200 Well.. it also will have the side effect of cleaning the unsupported crap out of the app store. Well.. it also will have the side effect of cleaning the unsupported crap out of the app store.

]]> By: samthelion http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26196 samthelion Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:23:24 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26196 you keep repeating the same phrase that actually doesn't make much sense. Mobile platform viable for games and handheld console games were different markets before simply because previous mobile platform viable for games were crap. With the iphone and ipod touches these markets converge. I believe that many traditional gamers will buy the 3GS or a future "ipod touch S" and maybe not the PSP GO. So they will find themselves in this different context in which gaming devices get updated more frequently than they are used to, and it will be interesting to see how this works. This is all I was saying from the start. you keep repeating the same phrase that actually doesn't make much sense. Mobile platform viable for games and handheld console games were different markets before simply because previous mobile platform viable for games were crap. With the iphone and ipod touches these markets converge. I believe that many traditional gamers will buy the 3GS or a future "ipod touch S" and maybe not the PSP GO. So they will find themselves in this different context in which gaming devices get updated more frequently than they are used to, and it will be interesting to see how this works. This is all I was saying from the start.

]]> By: it's friday man http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26184 it's friday man Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:12:18 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26184 Ok, believe what you will. If you want to know what people in the business think, read the business press. Time for my cup of cocoa, but here's two articles for you. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/dsi-sales-hampered-by-lack-of-software http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/iphone-success-freaking-out-sony-and-nintendo-hawkins Ok, believe what you will.

If you want to know what people in the business think, read the business press. Time for my cup of cocoa, but here's two articles for you.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/dsi-sales-hampered-by-lack-of-software

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/iphone-success-freaking-out-sony-and-nintendo-hawkins

]]> By: spiffyone http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/19/the-iphone-3gs-has-arrived/#comment-26183 spiffyone Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:07:02 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=10790#comment-26183 no, samthelion, it merely stresses that Apple's iTouch/Phone product line is in the mobile market, as the life span of such products is far shorter than the traditional 5-6 (or slightly longer) year model used by the dedicated game system industry (whether home console or mobile). It's expected that mobile platforms get a major upgrade in tech every two years or so. But that sort of thing is virtual suicide in the dedicated game industry. Apple simply does the redesigns (which it calls "new gen" products erroneously, IMHO) on a vastly accelerated scale (once a year or so). iPod touch 1st "gen" to 2nd was simply a minor redesign. This 3Gs is an actual next gen product, however. Accelerated due to the dynamics of the mobile market. Apple isn't breaking the "rules" of the game industry in regard to game systems because it isn't a game system that they're peddling, but a mobile platform that is viable for games. There's a difference in markets. no, samthelion, it merely stresses that Apple's iTouch/Phone product line is in the mobile market, as the life span of such products is far shorter than the traditional 5-6 (or slightly longer) year model used by the dedicated game system industry (whether home console or mobile). It's expected that mobile platforms get a major upgrade in tech every two years or so. But that sort of thing is virtual suicide in the dedicated game industry.

Apple simply does the redesigns (which it calls "new gen" products erroneously, IMHO) on a vastly accelerated scale (once a year or so). iPod touch 1st "gen" to 2nd was simply a minor redesign. This 3Gs is an actual next gen product, however. Accelerated due to the dynamics of the mobile market. Apple isn't breaking the "rules" of the game industry in regard to game systems because it isn't a game system that they're peddling, but a mobile platform that is viable for games. There's a difference in markets.

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