Comments on: 'Kroll' Arrives in the App Store http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/ ... keeping in touch with the latest in iPhone gaming Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:18:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: John http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-7625 John Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:46:20 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-7625 I wouldn't mind shoulder buttons that double as volume buttons, and maybe a button on each side that could teleport to mail and safari respectively, and be used in gameplay...and if they added an even better graphics card, I'd pay 350$ for that!! I wouldn't mind shoulder buttons that double as volume buttons, and maybe a button on each side that could teleport to mail and safari respectively, and be used in gameplay…and if they added an even better graphics card, I'd pay 350$ for that!!

]]> By: Jerek http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-7624 Jerek Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:41:49 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-7624 Wow, my iPod has a better 3d engine than a nintendo DS...I hate Nintendo, lol Wow, my iPod has a better 3d engine than a nintendo DS…I hate Nintendo, lol

]]> By: Fokion http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4523 Fokion Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:50:53 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4523 I don't think that the iPhone will ever become a "true" handheld console. On the other hand, it could be an amazing platform for point & click (touch?) games, such as Puzzle Quest, board games, or even turn based strategy. I'd love to see a version of Heroes of Might & Magic on the machine, or even some old Lucasarts or Sierra adventures remade for the platform (I know there's emulators out there, but I don't want to hack the device plus it can make those games look better). DS type games could work as well, such as Advance Wars or Layton. I don't think that the iPhone will ever become a "true" handheld console. On the other hand, it could be an amazing platform for point & click (touch?) games, such as Puzzle Quest, board games, or even turn based strategy.

I'd love to see a version of Heroes of Might & Magic on the machine, or even some old Lucasarts or Sierra adventures remade for the platform (I know there's emulators out there, but I don't want to hack the device plus it can make those games look better).

DS type games could work as well, such as Advance Wars or Layton.

]]> By: Alex http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4120 Alex Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:49:20 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4120 I can't imagine Apple adding buttons just for game play but who knows... They might add additional buttons for other purposes and allow developers to co-opt them. For instance, it's dumb that the volume up/down control on the side isn't used as a zoom in/out control when in camera mode. Maybe we'll get a smarter button arrangement on the side some day, that game developers can employ as game controls. The zeemote looks interesting but controller add-ons will have the same problems that console extensions always have. If it's not part of the default hardware it won't be supported well by game developers (unless it maps to existing inputs like the accelerometer). I can't imagine Apple adding buttons just for game play but who knows… They might add additional buttons for other purposes and allow developers to co-opt them.

For instance, it's dumb that the volume up/down control on the side isn't used as a zoom in/out control when in camera mode.

Maybe we'll get a smarter button arrangement on the side some day, that game developers can employ as game controls.

The zeemote looks interesting but controller add-ons will have the same problems that console extensions always have. If it's not part of the default hardware it won't be supported well by game developers (unless it maps to existing inputs like the accelerometer).

]]> By: Shaun http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4118 Shaun Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:32:22 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4118 Alex "Shaun don’t hold your breath. For better or worse, the removal of physical buttons has clearly been a design goal for the iPhone. They’re not going to start adding them now" You are probably right i just think there is an opportunity to meet halfway - no need for DS or PSP button layouts which i agree would compromise the clean design -just change the home button to a psp analog button and add another couple of discreet volume control type buttons on the side. Maybe the zeemote controller is the way to go http://mobilearsenal.com/new/zeemote_controller_for_n-gage_phones.html Alex "Shaun don’t hold your breath. For better or worse, the removal of physical buttons has clearly been a design goal for the iPhone. They’re not going to start adding them now"

You are probably right i just think there is an opportunity to meet halfway – no need for DS or PSP button layouts which i agree would compromise the clean design -just change the home button to a psp analog button and add another couple of discreet volume control type buttons on the side.

Maybe the zeemote controller is the way to go

http://mobilearsenal.com/new/zeemote_controller_for_n-gage_phones.html

]]> By: NotYou http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4117 NotYou Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:15:58 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4117 @Shaun "A good game but the iphone needs better controls to become a true competitor to DS and PSP">>>>> "A lame game. The iphone needs better games to become a true competitor to DS and PSP. I fixed it for you. @Shaun
"A good game but the iphone needs better controls to become a true competitor to DS and PSP">>>>>
"A lame game. The iphone needs better games to become a true competitor to DS and PSP.

I fixed it for you.

]]> By: Alex http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4115 Alex Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:12 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4115 @Shaun don't hold your breath. For better or worse, the removal of physical buttons has clearly been a design goal for the iPhone. They're not going to start adding them now. I'm rather looking forward to discovering what it *can* do well and the unique games it brings. I'm loving what I'm starting to think of as "cup of coffee" games that only cost a few quid and have done their job well if they amuse me for a few hours. The PSP for all its control options seems to mainly have dreary PS2 ports. @Shaun don't hold your breath. For better or worse, the removal of physical buttons has clearly been a design goal for the iPhone. They're not going to start adding them now.

I'm rather looking forward to discovering what it *can* do well and the unique games it brings. I'm loving what I'm starting to think of as "cup of coffee" games that only cost a few quid and have done their job well if they amuse me for a few hours.

The PSP for all its control options seems to mainly have dreary PS2 ports.

]]> By: Shaun http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4108 Shaun Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:54:50 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4108 A good game but the iphone needs better controls to become a true competitor to DS and PSP. While the multi-touch screen is a real bonus the lack of physical buttons are a real drawback. Apple need to turn the iphone home button in to a PSP analog controller (which would fit in with the one face button design) and then add a couple of low profile shoulder buttons. The PSP would then become a real contender for best mobile game console A good game but the iphone needs better controls to become a true competitor to DS and PSP. While the multi-touch screen is a real bonus the lack of physical buttons are a real drawback.

Apple need to turn the iphone home button in to a PSP analog controller (which would fit in with the one face button design) and then add a couple of low profile shoulder buttons. The PSP would then become a real contender for best mobile game console

]]> By: Ataru http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4107 Ataru Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:51:03 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4107 To those saying this is like Golden Axe etc - no it isn't. Go and play Golden Axe again and you'll see. In those old fighters you could move in and out of the screen, and you could jump. Kroll is super basic by comparison, it's the most basic form of button masher. As a tech demo though, it's fine. To those saying this is like Golden Axe etc – no it isn't. Go and play Golden Axe again and you'll see. In those old fighters you could move in and out of the screen, and you could jump. Kroll is super basic by comparison, it's the most basic form of button masher. As a tech demo though, it's fine.

]]> By: Alex http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/29/kroll-arrives-in-the-app-store/#comment-4103 Alex Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:32:36 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=773#comment-4103 @CMB agreed, but I reckon the iPhone has a way to go yet. These are only first generation games. Ideal tap/tilt control schemes for different genres have yet to be figured out and it usually takes years for the best to be squeezed out of a hardware platform. To carry the PS1 analogy forward, what we are seeing are the likes of Ridge Racer, Battle Arena Toshinden and Jumping Flash. We still have the likes of Gran Turismo 2, Tekken 3, Metal Gear Solid etc yet to come :D I LOVED the Saturn! Such an under-rated console. There are so many ideas from the Saturn / Dreamcast that Sega need to bring to iPhone... Sonic, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers, Out Run, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon, I could go on and on (but I won't). @CMB agreed, but I reckon the iPhone has a way to go yet. These are only first generation games. Ideal tap/tilt control schemes for different genres have yet to be figured out and it usually takes years for the best to be squeezed out of a hardware platform.

To carry the PS1 analogy forward, what we are seeing are the likes of Ridge Racer, Battle Arena Toshinden and Jumping Flash. We still have the likes of Gran Turismo 2, Tekken 3, Metal Gear Solid etc yet to come :D

I LOVED the Saturn! Such an under-rated console. There are so many ideas from the Saturn / Dreamcast that Sega need to bring to iPhone… Sonic, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers, Out Run, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon, I could go on and on (but I won't).

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